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A book called A Better Way to Pray - 6/29/2008 8:09:08 PM
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Sonrise
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Is anyone familiar with this book by Andrew Womack? My church is a really big advocate of it but I know nothing about it. One guy I know who was a member of the church for over 30 years talked to the pastor about it, voicing his concerns and apparently the pastor told him that's the way it's going to be and this guy left, after 30 years. If anyone can provide some info on this book I'd greatly appreciate it. Thanks
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RE: A book called A Better Way to Pray - 6/29/2008 8:26:29 PM
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ChristopherJ
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Sonrise,
I'm not actually familiar with this book, but after a quick googling of "Andrew Womack" and the book's title, I came across this article on his (Andrew's) website:
http://www.awmi.net/extra/article/better_pray
I would encourage all of you to read the article, then come and discuss it with me...
I'm not 100% sure, but it ALMOST seems as if he is a universalist... I don't know? Some of his quotes...
We are NOW reconciled to God through Jesus. That means we are in harmony and are friendly with God right now. He isn’t mad; He’s not even in a bad mood. The war between God and man is over...
God’s wrath and justice have been satisfied. Jesus changed everything. God isn’t angry. His mercy extends to all men. He loves the world, not only the church, but the whole world. He paid for all sin...
What do you guys think?? Read the article and give me your thoughts...
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www.beausejourchurch.ca
http://thelandofpromise.blogspot.com/
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RE: A book called A Better Way to Pray - 6/29/2008 9:10:18 PM
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Kat_D
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Read THIS and after you do, you shouldn't want to read anything more of his.
ETA: That man in your church had every right to be concerned and I would have left too.
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RE: A book called A Better Way to Pray - 6/29/2008 9:12:24 PM
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This is a very clear example of people being born again but still needing to receive the Holy Spirit. This can also be witnessed in Acts 19. Paul found disciples who were not baptized in the Holy Spirit. He prayed for them, and they spoke with tongues.
Spirit filled, but no tongues!
There are other believers who acknowledge a second experience with the Holy Spirit which releases power, but they refuse the part of speaking in tongues, or at least say it’s not for everyone. But the baptism of the Holy Spirit is like a pair of tennis shoes: It always comes with tongues
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RE: A book called A Better Way to Pray - 6/29/2008 9:17:48 PM
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ChristopherJ
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collie & Kat,
Good comments...
Sonrise,
I think a cursory glance of this man's website will convince you that his teaching is heretical and unbalanced, and definitely sounds/feels like the Word Faith (heretical) message... reader beware!
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(visit our website for free MP3 audio sermons, sermon notes, articles, devotionals and more).
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RE: A book called A Better Way to Pray - 6/29/2008 9:21:00 PM
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Sonrise
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Kat,
I just read the link that you provided and something doesn't seem right with what he wrote but he does link everything with scripture. Can you help me out with specifics? My pastor believes this stuff bigtime always telling us that we're righteous and already 1/3 perfect. He wants to meet me for breakfast and discuss these things. Thanks
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RE: A book called A Better Way to Pray - 6/29/2008 9:23:35 PM
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Sonrise
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Chris,
Can you help with specifics? Guys, please pray for me, I feel under spiritual attack. I discuss my doubts w about what's being taught at church with my dad and wife and dad says that maybe I'm being legalistic or carnal and since when did I become a Bible scholar? My wife scolded me for not walking inlove although she sees the same disturbing things that I do. I feel lost.
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RE: A book called A Better Way to Pray - 6/29/2008 10:19:41 PM
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Kat_D
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ORIGINAL: Sonrise
Kat,
I just read the link that you provided and something doesn't seem right with what he wrote but he does link everything with scripture. Can you help me out with specifics? My pastor believes this stuff bigtime always telling us that we're righteous and already 1/3 perfect. He wants to meet me for breakfast and discuss these things. Thanks
Here are a few of the things that jumped out at me. He says:
"However, healing isn’t up to God alone. It isn’t God who decides who gets healed and who doesn’t."
"One of the worst doctrines in the body of Christ is the belief that God controls everything that happens."
"God’s will doesn’t automatically come to pass. We have to believe and cooperate with God toreceive what He has provided for us,"
He is saying we don't get healed because we don't have enough faith or that it takes some sort of cooperation on our parts for God to heal us. This is a common WOF false teaching, but he takes it even further...he basically says God is not sovereign.
He uses the following verse incorrectly and interprets it to mean we can have physical healing by what Christ did on the cross, when it actuality, the verse speaks of spiritual healing:
“Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.”
Then goes on to say:
"People don’t have to ask Jesus to save them; they just need to believe the nearly-too-good-to-be-true news that their sins are already forgiven and receive their salvation (Acts 16:31). The same thing is true of healing. God has already healed everyone, just as He has already paid for the forgiveness of everyone’s sins."-II Corinthians 12
God has not healed everyone. Nor is it His desire to do so. God choses who He will and will not heal, period! He did not heal Paul...let's see why:
7 And lest I should be exalted above measure by the abundance of the revelations, a thorn in the flesh was given to me, a messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I be exalted above measure. 8 Concerning this thing I pleaded with the Lord three times that it might depart from me. 9 And He said to me, "My grace is sufficient for you, for My strength is made perfect in weakness." Therefore most gladly I will rather boast in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me. 10 Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in needs, in persecutions, in distresses, for Christ's sake. For when I am weak, then I am strong.
God has a purpose in sickness and suffering.
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"...And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes...no more death, sorrow, nor crying."
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RE: A book called A Better Way to Pray - 6/29/2008 10:49:39 PM
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Sonrise
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ORIGINAL: cybrjewls
LOL!! Another meaningful 'discussion'!
Some are so superior to others in their Lord's Grace, while asserting that faith and The Grace is not enough for the salvation of others! A likely teaching!
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Cybr,
I appreciate your input but since this was my thread, may I please ask you not to hijack it. I prefer straight talk not lyrical riddles. If you have anything that can help clarify questions as per this thread I'd really welcome it, otherwise please don't post. Thanks
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RE: A book called A Better Way to Pray - 6/29/2008 10:57:56 PM
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Kat_D
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Sorry, Sonrise. Prophetica/Cybrjewls seems to have deleted her posts. I apologize for the interruption .
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RE: A book called A Better Way to Pray - 6/30/2008 10:43:44 AM
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ORIGINAL: ChristopherJ
Sonrise,
I'm not actually familiar with this book, but after a quick googling of "Andrew Womack" and the book's title, I came across this article on his (Andrew's) website:
http://www.awmi.net/extra/article/better_pray
I would encourage all of you to read the article, then come and discuss it with me...
I'm not 100% sure, but it ALMOST seems as if he is a universalist... I don't know? Some of his quotes...
We are NOW reconciled to God through Jesus. That means we are in harmony and are friendly with God right now. He isn’t mad; He’s not even in a bad mood. The war between God and man is over...
God’s wrath and justice have been satisfied. Jesus changed everything. God isn’t angry. His mercy extends to all men. He loves the world, not only the church, but the whole world. He paid for all sin...
What do you guys think?? Read the article and give me your thoughts...
He has a very unbiblical view of God's wrath and of the atonement of Christ.
God's wrath for sin was poured out on Christ upon the cross (propitiation), but for those who choose to not believe in Christ, God's wrath remains on them.
Romans 3:24-26 being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed, to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.
Joh 3:36 -He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.
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Do not be overly righteous, Nor be overly wise: Why should you destroy yourself?
Ecclesiastes 7:16
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RE: A book called A Better Way to Pray - 7/1/2008 4:57:54 PM
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Sonrise
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quote:
ORIGINAL: crankius
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ORIGINAL: ChristopherJ
Sonrise,
I'm not actually familiar with this book, but after a quick googling of "Andrew Womack" and the book's title, I came across this article on his (Andrew's) website:
http://www.awmi.net/extra/article/better_pray
I would encourage all of you to read the article, then come and discuss it with me...
I'm not 100% sure, but it ALMOST seems as if he is a universalist... I don't know? Some of his quotes...
We are NOW reconciled to God through Jesus. That means we are in harmony and are friendly with God right now. He isn’t mad; He’s not even in a bad mood. The war between God and man is over...
God’s wrath and justice have been satisfied. Jesus changed everything. God isn’t angry. His mercy extends to all men. He loves the world, not only the church, but the whole world. He paid for all sin...
What do you guys think?? Read the article and give me your thoughts...
He has a very unbiblical view of God's wrath and of the atonement of Christ.
God's wrath for sin was poured out on Christ upon the cross (propitiation), but for those who choose to not believe in Christ, God's wrath remains on them.
Romans 3:24-26 being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed, to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.
Joh 3:36 -He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.
It almost seems like what Carlton Pearson preaches, that we're all pretty much already saved. This is all coming together now. Last year when we were contemplating becoming members the pastor invited us over for dinner and during the course of conversation his wife mentioned that their son hadn't "received ownership of his salvation yet". I thought this was really odd wording at the time but thought nothing of it. Now that I realize that the church teaches what it does, it makes more sense.
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