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Exodus 4:24 - why was God going to kill Moses? - 8/21/2008 10:42:21 AM
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Fledgling
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Please shed some light.. below is from the NIV bible. Was it because he had not circumcized his son?
24.On the way to Egypt, Moses stopped for the night. There the LORD met him and was about to kill him.
25.But Zipporah got a knife that was made out of hard stone. She circumcised her son with it. Then she touched Moses' feet with the skin she had cut off. "You are a husband who has forced me to spill my son's blood," she said.
26.So the LORD didn't kill Moses. When she said "husband who has forced me to spill my son's blood," she was talking about circumcision.
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RE: Exodus 4:24 - why was God going to kill Moses? - 8/21/2008 12:52:59 PM
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And it came to pass by the way in the inn, that the Lord met him, and sought to kill him [Exod. 4:24].-This is a strange verse, but it reveals the third real objection of Moses(the first was a lack authority Ex. 4:1-2, the second Ex. 4:10) And it came to pass by the way in the inn, that the Lord met him, and sought to kill him . This is a strange verse, but it reveals the third real objection of Moses. He had neglected to circumcise his sons. Circumcision was the evidence or seal of the covenant of God made with Abraham. If Moses would proclaim God’s will to others, he too had to be obedient to God’s will. God had to forcibly remind Moses of his disobedience.
Then Zipporah took a sharp stone, and cut off the foreskin of her son, and cast it at his feet, and said, Surely a bloody husband art thou to me. So he let him go: then she said, A bloody husband thou art, because of the circumcision [Exod. 4:25–26].-This incident is difficult to understand, and we must retrace our steps somewhat to examine the problem. When Moses fled as a fugitive from Egypt, he went to the land of Midian. The Midianites were the offspring of Abraham and Keturah. These people were monotheistic. They were not idolaters but worshiped one God. Moses felt at home with these people. He became close friends with the Priest of Midian who had seven daughters. Moses married his daughter Zipporah—a name that sounds like a modern gadget to take the place of buttons. Actually, as we have said before, her name means “sparrow” or “little bird.” The wife of Moses was the first “Lady Bird.”(LBJ's wife) God blessed Moses’ home in the beginning. His first son Gershom, meaning “stranger” was born in Midian. Moses had been a stranger in his land, but he had made it his home.
In Moses’ married life, unfortunately, there was a problem. God called Moses at the burning bush and commissioned him to go to Egypt. Pharaoh was dead and it was safe for Moses to return. As Moses started his journey to Egypt, God attempted to kill him. Why? Moses had neglected the rite of circumcising his son. Circumcision was the badge and seal of God’s covenant with Abraham that was designed to teach the Israelites to have no confidence in the flesh. The flesh was to be cut away, and each Israelite was to place his trust in God."-McGee, J. V. Thru the Bible (electronic ed.). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.
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RE: Exodus 4:24 - why was God going to kill Moses? - 8/22/2008 11:49:53 AM
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Thanks very much for the helpful reply... it makes alot of sense.
I also found these notes on the passage by Barnes.
Met him, and sought to kill him - Moses was attacked by a sudden and dangerous illness, which he knew was inflicted by God. The word “sought to kill” implies that the sickness, whatever might be its nature, was one which threatened death had it not been averted by a timely act. Zipporah believed that the illness of Moses was due to his having neglected the duty of an Israelite, and to his not having circumcised his own son; the delay was probably owing to her own not unnatural repugnance to a rite, which though practiced by the Egyptians, was not adopted generally in the East, even by the descendants of Abraham and Keturah. Moses appears to have been utterly prostrate and unable to perform the rite himself.
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RE: Exodus 4:24 - why was God going to kill Moses? - 8/22/2008 1:32:40 PM
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It is pretty plain; because Moses was not obedient to God's Word.
And the same applies to all of us; be obedinet or suffer eternal death.
(Luk 6:46) And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?
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(Mat 7:22) Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
(Mat 7:23) And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
If God is anything He is consistant;
(Heb 13:8) Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
So we best be obedint about what Christ has called us to do!
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RE: Exodus 4:24 - why was God going to kill Moses? - 8/24/2008 9:19:29 AM
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This has a lot of warnings for us today...how many preacher's/minister's homes are a wreak will they are ministers to countless numbers of peoples? Charity does start at home.
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RE: Exodus 4:24 - why was God going to kill Moses? - 8/25/2008 9:59:34 PM
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I have posted the shadow of Christ contained in Exodus 4 at:
http://idontknownuthin.com/wiki/index.php/Exodus_4
It should be taken as an observation until others can validate it.
In the shadow, it is part of the first and second wife theme, and the first wife (who was chosen by the Father) is pleading that she not be forgotten while the second wife is sought (wooed or called by the Son).
The first wife is Israel and the second the church.
You will find other pages explaining the wives at the same site.
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RE: Exodus 4:24 - why was God going to kill Moses? - 8/26/2008 2:32:22 PM
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LBolt
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quote:
The first wife is Israel and the second the church.
This sounds alittle like replacement theology here... Church and Israel are the same. Non-Jews are grafted into the vine (Israel). Ephesians 2 says that we are apart of the common wealth of Israel. At the foot of Mt. Sinai, the was Hebrews and Non-Hebrews present and they were called "Israel" If you read a Septuagint you will see the Greek word "ekklessia" referring to the assembly of the nation of Israel, not some spiritual entity called "the church" which seems to draw a separation between Israel.
Do some more research in the "OT" and references and post back your response.
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RE: Exodus 4:24 - why was God going to kill Moses? - 8/28/2008 4:01:57 PM
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This question has been brought up in another thread. "A bloody husband" could be translated a husband of blood. This could be an idiom for a man of the covenant. Touching his feet with the foreskin could be equivalent to placing it at his feet, or presenting it to him. Also, there is no punctuation in the original Scriptures. Therefore, one could interpret this passage as saying, "See husband, since you are a man of the covenant, I, your loving wife, have kept the covenant for you."
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RE: Exodus 4:24 - why was God going to kill Moses? - 8/30/2008 7:21:49 PM
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There is an undeniable pattern of the first and second wife, where the first is hated and the second loved. The first is the prostitute and the second is the virgin bride. Almost every woman in the Bible contributes to the pattern. And even more than all this, the prostitute and the bride are one wife in the same way that all three women at the well are one bride. THe two wives show two natures, and the three brides show each person of the Godhead's participation in choosing, calling and gathering the bride.
http://idontknownuthin.com/wiki/index.php/Dwg:Bunch_of_women.jpg
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RE: Exodus 4:24 - why was God going to kill Moses? - 8/30/2008 8:04:22 PM
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This is one of the great mysteries of our day. I think this is an interesting discussion...but we don't want to stray from the OP. I've read information that attests to Bluethread's analysis...it seems to fit with the text.
RCJones, I'm very leery of making distintions between Israel and the Church...it's rooted in replacement theology. Remember, the early believeres after Yahusha's resurrection were mainly Hebrews. The disciples asked the question to the Messiah, "Are you at this time going to restore the Kingdom to Israel."
Isreal was scattered into the nations due to sin and rebellion. Enough of this...LOL!
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RE: Exodus 4:24 - why was God going to kill Moses? - 8/31/2008 9:46:51 PM
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quote:
I'm very leery of making distintions between Israel and the Church
Since neither term has been defined in this thread, none of us knows what the other is talking about. Abraham's children are referred to as dust, sand and stars. Each term means something different in the types and need to be distinguished in order to understand the scope of promises, blessings, and eschatology.
If we are speaking of earthly Israel and earthly church , then in the earthly, they are obviously distinct but in the shadows they are one and the same "earthly" entity. If we are speaking of spiritual Israel and the spiritual church, then they are one entity.
But if we speak of earthly Israel and the spiritual church, then they are completely different entities.
So back to the OP:
In the four voices of God:
King (literal): God was going to kill Moses because he did not circumcise his son and we are to live by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God. Because of Zipporah's action he lived. It was an important point to make as he started to lead Israel out of Egypt. Imagine if he had gotten the instructions for the passover wrong.
Judge (divine decree with earthly consequence): Moses is dead in sin like the rest of us, (just as Er was killed by God for sin) but because of the covenant, he will live. This was an important point to make because it argues against merit earned by Moses for those who would deify him.
Prophet (earthly events spoken in riddles): God will put Jesus to death and he will be resurrected because of his earthly promises (prophecies) to Israel. Just as Abram said to Sarai, "I will live because of you". This is important because God reminds us that he keeps his promises though he appears to be slow in our estimation.
Priest (divine events spoken in riddles): Christ conquers death and gives life to the flesh because of the covenant. He married the flesh which is why the flesh is resurrected. In the double entendre, Gen 2:21 says "He married his limping side" This is the mystery of marriage... speaking of Christ and the church. This is the eternal point being made.
I am open to hear your take on the two wives theme, the prostitute-virgin bride. Do you recognize the pattern, and then if you do, what do you make of it?
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RE: Exodus 4:24 - why was God going to kill Moses? - 9/1/2008 10:34:54 AM
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