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For those of you who started out hating G-d - 8/14/2008 8:24:39 AM
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Covaan_Meshuga
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Why?
What circumstances occurred that changed your mind?
Are you amazed?
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RE: For those of you who started out hating G-d - 8/14/2008 11:56:55 AM
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I cannot say that I ever hated God, but in my younger years I did not understand who God was and what He did for me.
And yes it is amazing what happens to one who is saved through the sacrifice of Christ by the Grace of God.
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RE: For those of you who started out hating G-d - 8/14/2008 1:03:17 PM
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Why?
I think it was just a natural thing... I would believe in God as long as he was the god I wanted him to be.
Now the God of the scriptures? That God had no place in my life and would have really cramped my style; therefore I hated and considered Him an enemy to all that I cherished (which was my various pleasures).
What circumstances...?
I got P----d off during some bout's with my wife (keeping the light on at night so she could read). Long story short, there was mention of something that was in the bible, so I opened it up (like I had done numerous times in my life) only this time as I read, I knew that every word, every letter, was true and from God. If I had a problem it wasn't with the book, it was with me!
Amazed?
I was blown away as I saw my sin revealed in such agonizing ugliness, and understood only a fraction of the GRACE and MERCY that had been given.
Amazing grace how sweet the sound that saved a wretch like me!
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And yes it is amazing what happens to one who is saved through the sacrifice of Christ by the Grace of God.
And here I've been told numerous times it was my decision/choice?! 
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RE: For those of you who started out hating G-d - 8/14/2008 2:36:38 PM
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margieb711
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I can't say for certain that I've ever hated God. God would know for sure and I will have to answer to that at the end of time.
I know I turned away from God and the Catholic church due to wanting my own way and Catholicism no longer meeting my Spiritual needs. I was also lead into wickedness by others who are/were controlled by Satan.
I've only been saved for a very short time (June 1) but I have to remind myself every day that God has plans for me and I can't go my own way because that's not the way it works.
My amazement is that my thoughts and feelings have changed little by little every day. I find that I have more patience, less anger about things I can't control (because I can't control it!) and more faith about where my place is in life. I stumble along the way, as I'm sure we all do, but as long as I hold that faith in God & Jesus Christ I will make it.
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RE: For those of you who started out hating G-d - 8/14/2008 4:00:31 PM
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I was baptized catholic at a very young age, and made my Holy Communion, but never really followed that faith anyway, to me, it was just my mom and step-dad getting us out of the house, and all of the problems i had throughout my childhood and teenage years was horrible, even though i believed in the father, son and holy spirit, i used to talk to them on my way to school when i started junoir high, but when i was molested in the classroom by three boys, and came down with severe allergies and asthma, i kept asking God why me, what did i do wrong, and of course, i hung around those who served the enemy as well, and have gone back to church with family, and fell again because of the deceitfulness of mans heart.....and now for me, its too late to have any type of relationship with him because he is now far away from me......i have never hated him, but now, I'm quite angry because of how my life turned out..........and am quite frustrated, because i feel like i have been stomped into the ground over and over and over again, and all of those dreams I once had are now gone, besides i was told that he never wanted me, and that he would never forgive me, so now I'm wondering what kind of loving father he is to me, to even watch me go through this horror..............and I'm wondering why he never sent anyone to me to be my friend or even talk to me about his word, why do i have to go looking for it.......he never sent anyone my way to bring me to church, never ever did he call me in my life-time and have been told that i was going to @@@@, i have been told so many times that he will never forgive me for the fornication I was in or anything else..........and yet I wonder if life can get any easier.......God does not love me.....that is how I feel....even went I went to church, i was chased away by Christians..
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RE: For those of you who started out hating G-d - 8/14/2008 4:19:29 PM
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Why?
What circumstances occurred that changed your mind?
Are you amazed?
I hated God when I was in 8th grade. I was diagnosed with major depression at age 9, and I turned my back on God because I felt that He wasn't with me. I remember it SOO clearly because it was the angriest I've been with God. I always had a heart for Jesus growing up. Until my depression started becoming worse in 8th grade and the pain the I felt was so deep and the numbness I felt was so real, and I felt that God wasn't even there with me. Literally. I remember sitting in my room (I spent a lot of time in my room during that time because I didnt want to do anything) and I started crying. I literally started yelling at God...no one was home, though so no one could hear me!...and I grabbed my Bible and threw it at a mirror and it shattered. I had so much hatred towards God and I told him that he's nothing to me, that I hated him so much.
It was sooo real, I really truly hated God.
From that day on, I started doing things that I knew I shouldn't have. God wasn't the center of my life anymore. I stopped going to church...I didn't do anything with the family...all I did was sit in my room and have self-pity (which was wrong but I didn't know how to deal with the depression). I was bullied really bad when I was younger but I always trusted Jesus. But in 8th grade, that bullying got really bad that I just turned my back on God. I had no friends. Literally. No one. But after a while, I got a lot of friends at age 16.
I left my house eventually...when I was 15 years old. I was done with my life. I tried committing suicide at age 16 and friends found me laying on the floor. The depression got so out of hand and if I still had God in my life at that time, I wouldn't have done it and instead look at Him for guidance.
I met this guy. I decided that I wouldn't like him because he was studying to be a priest. I'm not catholic, but I knew he was really religious. He told me that he had a personal relationship with God and that he loved Him very much. I told him straight up, "I hate God." I wasn't necessarily an athiest, but I hated God. Andrew looked at me and told me that it was fine and he said that one time he hated God as well.
Overtime, I got to know Andrew and he led me back to God.
And ever since then, I've been trying to live for Him. I love God with my whole life and I believe that what I went through something good would come out of it. I have already ministered to a lot of people who have been through a lot of things.
But yeah, this was long. But that's how most of my life was spent, hating God. And trust me, it's not worth it. It's really not. Because once you turn your back on God, it's going to be MIGHTY hard to get back with him. SOOOO hard.
All of a sudden, when I felt
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RE: For those of you who started out hating G-d - 8/14/2008 5:03:03 PM
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dawnofthemorning
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and that is where I am right now, i always kept silent, i never yelled at God or told him how angry i was with him, i just thought these things in my head, but never did i have a quiet time where i just yelled at him, or even wanted a boxing match with him, but i always knew he was alive.........................i think fall asleep at night thinking of being near him on the clouds, but of course, it only got worse...........and yes, it is very hard to get back to God, without having to fast and pray to get his attention...
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RE: For those of you who started out hating G-d - 8/14/2008 5:14:01 PM
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ladyichigo
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I cannot recall that I have ever hated God. I could say that I've come across moments where I became apathetic towards God....but that didn't last long.
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RE: For those of you who started out hating G-d - 8/14/2008 6:16:44 PM
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justajerk
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Just a quick note... Regarding this idea that we did not or could not hate God.
Matthew 6:24
"No one can serve two masters, for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and money.
Romans 1:29-31
They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips, slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless.
1 John 4:20
If anyone says, "I love God," and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen cannot love God whom he has not seen.
There seems to be a lack of understanding of just how much we needed a savior.
Are we really that good?
Romans 5:10
For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, now that we are reconciled, shall we be saved by his life.
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RE: For those of you who started out hating G-d - 8/14/2008 6:29:17 PM
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EStan
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I don't know that I ever hated God, but I was definitely very angry with Him. In August of 2000, my 4-year-old niece died of cancer, and I could not understand the purpose in that. Why was she born, just to suffer and then die?
In the years since, my sister - whose child had died - re-devoted her life to Christ. My wife went from being an agnostic/atheist to faith in Christ. My mom came to saving faith, and praise God that she did, because she passed away and went to be with the Lord in 2005.
And finally, in the spring of 2004, I realized just how much God loved my niece - and how much He loved me, and wanted His Son to be Lord of my life. I surrendered my life to Jesus, and have never looked back.
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RE: For those of you who started out hating G-d - 8/14/2008 6:46:01 PM
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I don't know that I ever hated God, but I was definitely very angry with Him. In August of 2000, my 4-year-old niece died of cancer, and I could not understand the purpose in that. Why was she born, just to suffer and then die?
To sin, which the Scriptures define as "lawlessness" is to hate God. So unless you're not a sinner, you've hated God along with the rest of us.
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RE: For those of you who started out hating G-d - 8/14/2008 6:53:14 PM
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Covaan_Meshuga
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I really appreciate every answer. Most of us here are very fortunate people.
This brings up another question: did you hate G-d the Father and, strongly separating the two in your mind, have different feelings toward our Messiah? Can you write about that?
I have told many times here how I hated G-d from the first moment I can even recall -- as a toddler. It wasn't the Real Father I hated but the one I thought He was. I did separate God the Father from Messiah, thinking Messiah was a weak abused son; I pitied Him.
The circumstances that changed my mind about them was simple Bible study: I found out the truth in who they are. Am I amazed? Yes: amazed that He accepted me, amazed at His gifts, amazed at His love, amazed that I am His.
Dawn. Dawn of the morning. I don't know you, but you are almost one year younger than my daughter. I can't -- I don't want to -- imagine my precious daughter going through what you have. I am so sorry.
I hope you can separate what happened from G-d, because G-d didn't do those things to you. I can't explain why such things happen, but they do happen, because there are evil people in the world.
As far as it being too late for you, how did you come to that conclusion? Why are your dreams crushed? Why do the evil people in your life have so much power in yours that your dreams are crushed?
Are you sure G-d has not sent people to be your friends, but you were so bound up in your grief that you couldn't accept them? Couldn't notice them?
If He has not called you, Dawn, why are you here among these friendly people who would pray for you? Have we told you that you are going to hell? Have we told you that fornication is unforgiveable? It is not. And being a victim of rape is certainly not either.
Maybe you should talk to us about being pushed aside, chased away, by Christians. Are you sure they were genuine? There are some genuine believers on CW -- on this thread. Can you give us a chance here?
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RE: For those of you who started out hating G-d - 8/15/2008 8:12:27 AM
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I did not hate God per say. I am not sure you can hate something you don't believed existed. I can say I hated the idea of God since I believed it was a manifestation of people's insecurities and immaturaties.
I though God and religion were major factors in man's inability to get along with their fellow man.
It took years to turn that around and many circumstances. Lets just put it this way...my mom told me her friends told her that they were shocked when they heard I was saved. They never thought it would happen
Me either.
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RE: For those of you who started out hating G-d - 8/15/2008 12:49:56 PM
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margieb711
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ORIGINAL: Covaan_Meshuga
I really appreciate every answer. Most of us here are very fortunate people.
This brings up another question: did you hate G-d the Father and, strongly separating the two in your mind, have different feelings toward our Messiah? Can you write about that?
I have told many times here how I hated G-d from the first moment I can even recall -- as a toddler. It wasn't the Real Father I hated but the one I thought He was. I did separate God the Father from Messiah, thinking Messiah was a weak abused son; I pitied Him.
The circumstances that changed my mind about them was simple Bible study: I found out the truth in who they are. Am I amazed? Yes: amazed that He accepted me, amazed at His gifts, amazed at His love, amazed that I am His.
Dawn. Dawn of the morning. I don't know you, but you are almost one year younger than my daughter. I can't -- I don't want to -- imagine my precious daughter going through what you have. I am so sorry.
I hope you can separate what happened from G-d, because G-d didn't do those things to you. I can't explain why such things happen, but they do happen, because there are evil people in the world.
As far as it being too late for you, how did you come to that conclusion? Why are your dreams crushed? Why do the evil people in your life have so much power in yours that your dreams are crushed?
Are you sure G-d has not sent people to be your friends, but you were so bound up in your grief that you couldn't accept them? Couldn't notice them?
If He has not called you, Dawn, why are you here among these friendly people who would pray for you? Have we told you that you are going to hell? Have we told you that fornication is unforgiveable? It is not. And being a victim of rape is certainly not either.
Maybe you should talk to us about being pushed aside, chased away, by Christians. Are you sure they were genuine? There are some genuine believers on CW -- on this thread. Can you give us a chance here?
Abiyah-I don't think I ever made a seperation of God & Jesus. I know before I was saved, I used the Lord's name in vain a lot. I did a lot of things that didn't glorify God or Jesus. Since my salvation, my friends who are aware of my choice to be a Christian look at me differently. I don't know what it's about. I haven't asked them, because I don't care to know. I'm not going to turn into a zealot or tell them they're going to Hell. I'm just living my life for God & Jesus. That's what They want. It's not our "job" or whatever you want to call it to judge them for what they're doing.
I see what they do and ask not to be led down that path, because I know what it had for me and I didn't find what I needed.
I grew up Catholic like Dawn as well. Sometimes, I think that Catholicism teaches people it's okay to not like others who aren't like you and condemn you for what you do in this life regardless if you've repented. That's not what Jesus taught. I'm learning so much every single day and am thankful I brought God & Jesus into my life.
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RE: For those of you who started out hating G-d - 8/15/2008 2:18:52 PM
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Can't hate someone you don't beleive in. Hate is but the emotion we hold in relation to someone real. If anything it is simply our being honest for the first time in our lives. We are annoyed that someone makes claims on our lives to take away our freedom only to find we are not free. My anger was only my realizing that I had been wrong for so long.
The turning point is when I started to question God. In doing so found I already had His answers and they were the truth. I subsequently had to accept Him in the peace of finally knowing the Truth, Jesus Christ our Lord. A bit like Thomas who needed to see Christs wounds and then to fall on his knees and cry out, "My Lord and my God"
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RE: For those of you who started out hating G-d - 8/15/2008 11:12:55 PM
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Well guess you could say I hated Christ as I hated Christians but mostly just a matter of them parading sickly poor famined children on tv and asking for money when they have all that gold and jewels in Rome and other places. Other wise in time of being an atheist I really didnt hat God just had no use for Him or believers. And certainly did not want Him mentioned on money or in public.
The real hating would be when I had to admit He existed and He would not let me take my life, even if it meant spending eternity in hell. So I cussed Him out at first then figured that was not working so got to know what it was about. Had equal hatred for all three persons of trinity for neither would let me die.
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RE: For those of you who started out hating G-d - 8/16/2008 12:43:38 AM
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Well guess you could say I hated Christ as I hated Christians but mostly just a matter of them parading sickly poor famined children on tv and asking for money when they have all that gold and jewels in Rome and other places. Other wise in time of being an atheist I really didnt hat God just had no use for Him or believers. And certainly did not want Him mentioned on money or in public.
The real hating would be when I had to admit He existed and He would not let me take my life, even if it meant spending eternity in hell. So I cussed Him out at first then figured that was not working so got to know what it was about. Had equal hatred for all three persons of trinity for neither would let me die.
So I'm assuming you're a Christian now?
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RE: For those of you who started out hating G-d - 8/17/2008 11:58:39 AM
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Well guess you could say I hated Christ as I hated Christians but mostly just a matter of them parading sickly poor famined children on tv and asking for money when they have all that gold and jewels in Rome and other places. Other wise in time of being an atheist I really didnt hat God just had no use for Him or believers. And certainly did not want Him mentioned on money or in public.
The real hating would be when I had to admit He existed and He would not let me take my life, even if it meant spending eternity in hell. So I cussed Him out at first then figured that was not working so got to know what it was about. Had equal hatred for all three persons of trinity for neither would let me die.
So I'm assuming you're a Christian now?
Yes Have preached His Word many times and have been following Him for near 11 years now.
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RE: For those of you who started out hating G-d - 8/17/2008 2:14:11 PM
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Yes Have preached His Word many times and have been following Him for near 11 years now.
WOOO. Awesome!!
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RE: For those of you who started out hating G-d - 8/17/2008 4:24:43 PM
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I cant say that I hated God. When I was younger I really didn't know anything about him to hate Him. I did however wonder if there was a God why would He allow me to be born into the family I was born in and suffer emotional, physical and mental abuse at the hands of my father for no apparent reason.
Circumstances?
There is no ONE particular circumstance. I realized that life is to short to go around being mad and not forgiving. I am an avid reader and decided to read the Bible. While reading it I experienced unexplainable warm feelings and and understanding of other things that occured in my life. I also realized He was with me in a lot of situations that I thought I was in alone. I now realize that unexplainable warm feeling was of Love.
Amazed?
I am amazed that both of my parents went to church when they were younger and that my father could intelligently debate the Bible with people from cover to cover yet we (myself and siblings) were told nothing about God nor ever stepped foot in a church. I also later found out that my father tithed faithfully to a televangelist. I am not amazed at my feelings at all, as the Bible says there is a season for everything and I'm sure mine came right on time
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