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How you treat people that intreview for staff. - 10/8/2008 3:33:28 PM
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hjemerson
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Where do I start: for the past 2 yrs we have been seeking a job as a
youth pastor and or music leader,(My HB went I said we) We are seekig with Gods will. But it is a suprise how we have been treated by the Pastors and or commitees!
Frist after appling , As they wish in letter form or by e-mail with cover letters etc,
*Many time we are never given a we receved you infro, (How much time would that take) If we call to comfrim many time still no answer.
*Second we get a note or call - thank you we will let you know more in a few weeks(again no reply)
*We get a call from the pastor or committee person with Yes we like to talk to you over the phone and here are some question we would like you to answer for us make a ppointment to call (But again the call never come we made plans to be and beprepared for it )
*We receve in the mail a 5-9 page list of question to fill out and return (again after doing so no thank etc or call back)
* we have even had a pastor ask to visit( local) see if we like the church then we talked he brought two with him to our home stated we will get back with you. after seeing him again out he said yes I will call you next week it all looks very good. (again we heard nothing even after we did a follow up call) Then we have receved a letter address to some elsa about the job, Right name on the out side but not on the inside,
*We have even got a very in personal letter telling us we are to old (in that exact words) to be a youth pastor.(we are in late 40"s and have several years exper as vol. then we returned to school for a degree and start As a FT Church worker. ) We have been in the prof.Business world for the 30 years
It is sad the world treat their co worker better.The Christian boss do< I have never had a non christain boss tell me no when i asked for time off for a church activity .Yet when at a christian college and had christian boss if i aske off for a church activity I was told that personal and no several times. Was told to just call in sick(Which I never would do if it was a lie) Ok Long story and Why I just like to ask if you are a pastor on on the committe to find a new person , Just because we are christian show respect to the person applying it only take 2 mim for e-mail !!! Seeking His will everyday!
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RE: How you treat people that intreview for staff. - 10/11/2008 11:11:57 AM
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Hayseed
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Actually, that is the way it works everywhere nowadays. They want you to be personal and professional, yet they have absolutely none of those same traits when dealing with an applicant.
Follow up or just information on whether you got the job or not? Of course not, just silence.
Once my church wanted me to go through the process to become the "full-time" music minister. I didn't want to work at a church. But they persisted and I put in my app and all the stuff they required. Later I found out that they had already made a decision to hire another person months prior, but needed to have other apps so it looked like they made a search effort. They basically lied to me and several other of the worship leaders to get us to put in our apps.
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RE: How you treat people that intreview for staff. - 10/14/2008 11:48:38 AM
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ffbruce
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I'm sorry to hear of your negative and frustrating experiences!
When we were searching/interviewing etc. for a youth minister, we tried to be very proactive in communicating with them. I insisted, to our Elder Board, that we send a note back to anybody who applied, even if it simply said, "Thank you for applying, but we are going a different direction." At least then, people know.
That said, I do want to let you know that sometimes this stuff just takes time. Elders who are busy with their own jobs and families cannot always meet immediately upon getting a resume. And sometimes it takes over a month to really read, talk, pray and respond. I know that's little consolation, but I hope it helps just a little.
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RE: How you treat people that intreview for staff. - 10/14/2008 12:27:08 PM
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VBCYouthPastor
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It's a very long and difficult process.
In my experience, I send in my resume and if I haven't heard back in the neighborhood of 2-3 weeks, I simply follow up with another e-mail or phone call. If those don't get a response, I move on and continue seeking other options.
It's tough to receieve that "Thanks but no thanks" response but it's almost a relief. I drove over 3 hours to do an interview with a church--and they didn't introduce me to the senior pastor (with whom I'd be directly accountable to) and we quickly realized during the interview that our (meaning my wife and I) gifts and talents would not be a good fit. Once we let them know this, they responded by letting us know that they already knew who they were going to hire and it was strictly a formality. You win some...you lose some.
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RE: How you treat people that intreview for staff. - 10/14/2008 12:31:34 PM
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ffbruce
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quote:
ORIGINAL: VBCYouthPastor
It's a very long and difficult process.
In my experience, I send in my resume and if I haven't heard back in the neighborhood of 2-3 weeks, I simply follow up with another e-mail or phone call. If those don't get a response, I move on and continue seeking other options.
It's tough to receieve that "Thanks but no thanks" response but it's almost a relief. I drove over 3 hours to do an interview with a church--and they didn't introduce me to the senior pastor (with whom I'd be directly accountable to) and we quickly realized during the interview that our (meaning my wife and I) gifts and talents would not be a good fit. Once we let them know this, they responded by letting us know that they already knew who they were going to hire and it was strictly a formality. You win some...you lose some.
That's an "interesting" deal - I mean, why churches do that at all. Seems so dumb.
On the other hand, sometimes pastors/ministers do that stuff too. Some time back I talked on the phone with a guy who was going to interview with a church about a youth ministry opening. His openly stated passion was to do inner-city progressive new church work, yet he was going for an "interview weekend" with this very rural church. Didn't he already know the answer to the question BEFORE he went for the interview weekend?
I guess I just don't think or operate that way...
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RE: How you treat people that intreview for staff. - 10/14/2008 8:39:48 PM
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buckifn
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I don't know of many places that contact you unless they are interested in either obtaining more information or hiring you...so I think church or otherwise it is best to save yourself a lot of frustration and not worry about it..just keep searching and knocking until God opens the right door.
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) since then. Your experience is pretty similar to his. Most churches do not respond that they received his resume and those who have sent him a questionnaire to fill out don't usually respond when they receive that. He calls them back after a month or so, but churches move very slowly when it comes to hiring. There are some churches that he applied at in May that haven't even begun looking at the applications yet! We have a friend who applied for a job in May, got an interview in July and was told in late September that they would hopefully hire someone in January 
It's hard looking for a job in ministry, but churches are often working with a high volume of volunteers and just don't have the same kind of time as a secular business would. It might take someone 2 minutes to e-mail you, but if they received 50 applications for the job, it would take someone (usually a volunteer) a couple of hours to e-mail everyone. It's frustrating, I know. Hope you find something soon 
