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Inflation in end days - 4/21/2008 5:41:07 AM
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Bee777
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Hi All
I am looking for a passage in the Bible where it refers to the cost of bread or food being equivalent to a wheelbarrow of money. I remember some years back reading something like this in the KJV, but cannot remember the wording.
If anyone has any other Biblical references that could highlight the costs of living or related in end days, please can you reply here.
I am sure the Bible should make reference to this in the prophetic books.
Many Thanks
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RE: Inflation in end days - 4/21/2008 5:21:06 PM
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I am looking for a passage in the Bible where it refers to the cost of bread or food being equivalent to a wheelbarrow of money. I remember some years back reading something like this in the KJV, but cannot remember the wording.
Here's your verse:
REV 6:5 When the Lamb opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say, "Come!" I looked, and there before me was a black horse! Its rider was holding a pair of scales in his hand. 6 Then I heard what sounded like a voice among the four living creatures, saying, "A quart of wheat for a day's wages, and three quarts of barley for a day's wages, and do not damage the oil and the wine!"
I think you can safely ignore what ..... has to say about the one half of the one 'seven' being in WWII.
Remember that the Horsemen are also referenced in Zechariah 6 and that they are: "the four spirits of heaven..." that God sends out to prepare the world to be so chaotic so that the ultimate despotism of the anti-Christ looks like a reasonable solution to people.
Now Obama isn't the anti-Christ, but look how people "believe" in him and how they imbue that useful idiot as some messianic figure. People will literally worship the anti-Christ when he arrives on the scene.
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RE: Inflation in end days - 4/21/2008 8:13:31 PM
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Dearest sinner-saint! Please notice that in the original text of daniel the words 'there will be' 1290 days are added for emphasis to the text and are not true to the original writing.
He does not say 'there will be', He says: from the time that the daily is abolished and the abomination that causes desolation is set up: 1290 days. Blessed are those that wait for and reach the end of the 1335 days.
That means no raptura event for The Church of God until the middle of the week plus 30-75 days because they are the Blessed people to have Him as their Savior. This calls for patient endurance and faithfullness on the part of the saints.
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ORIGINAL: Bee777
I am looking for a passage in the Bible where it refers to the cost of bread or food being equivalent to a wheelbarrow of money. I remember some years back reading something like this in the KJV, but cannot remember the wording.
Here's your verse:
REV 6:5 When the Lamb opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say, "Come!" I looked, and there before me was a black horse! Its rider was holding a pair of scales in his hand. 6 Then I heard what sounded like a voice among the four living creatures, saying, "A quart of wheat for a day's wages, and three quarts of barley for a day's wages, and do not damage the oil and the wine!"
I think you can safely ignore what ..... has to say about the one half of the one 'seven' being in WWII.
Remember that the Horsemen are also referenced in Zechariah 6 and that they are: "the four spirits of heaven..." that God sends out to prepare the world to be so chaotic so that the ultimate despotism of the anti-Christ looks like a reasonable solution to people.
Now Obama isn't the anti-Christ, but look how people "believe" in him and how they imbue that useful idiot as some messianic figure. People will literally worship the anti-Christ when he arrives on the scene.
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RE: Inflation in end days - 4/21/2008 8:15:22 PM
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RE: Inflation in end days - 4/22/2008 5:28:21 AM
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Bee777
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Here's your verse:
REV 6:5 When the Lamb opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say, "Come!" I looked, and there before me was a black horse! Its rider was holding a pair of scales in his hand. 6 Then I heard what sounded like a voice among the four living creatures, saying, "A quart of wheat for a day's wages, and three quarts of barley for a day's wages, and do not damage the oil and the wine!"
Thanks I think that is what I was looking for, What is the word used in the KJV for wheelbarrow if any? for some or other reason that word is stuck in my head and I'm sure it is used in relation to an end days scenario ( I could be completely mistaken though ??)
Thanks ............... I will have a look at your links as well.
Blessings
Bee777
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RE: Inflation in end days - 4/22/2008 9:32:50 AM
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 I can't find any relationship to wheelbarrow either. But here is the Expositor's Commentary on Revelation 6:5
5-6 The third horseman is poverty and famine. He rides on a "black horse" and symbolizes the effects of war and bloodshed: sorrow, mourning, and desolation (Isa 50:3; Jer 4:28; Lam 5:10 KJV). In the rider's hand there is a "pair of scales." A voice is heard interpreting its significance in economic terms: "a quart of wheat ... and three quarts of barley for a day's wage" (lit., "for a denarius," a Gr. coin). This amount suggests food prices about twelve times higher than normal (Beckwith, p. 520) and implies inflation and famine conditions (Matt 24:7). A quart of wheat would supply an average person one day's sustenance. Barley was used by the poor to mix with the wheat. The expression "Do not damage the oil and wine" is less clear. Some view oil and wine as luxuries not necessary for bare survival, and the rich would have them while the poor were starving (cf. Prov 21:17). Others take oil and wine as showing the extent of the famine, since a drought affecting the grain may not be severe enough to hurt the vines and olive trees (ibid., p. 521). Moreover, oil and wine are staple foods in the East, both in dearth and in prosperity (e.g., Deut 7:13; Hos 2:8, 22).
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RE: Inflation in end days - 4/23/2008 3:35:02 AM
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Thanks Sinner_Saint
That explains allot. I also wasn't sure about the wine and oil ?
Makes more sense now.
Blessings
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RE: Inflation in end days - 4/23/2008 1:34:38 PM
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The wine and oil are not to be damaged as written. The wine and oil is spirit that indwells the people. As it is written regarding the two olive trees ripe with annointed fruits. The believers have the Real Wine of God's Spirit and the Real Oil of the Annointing of God. Across all times and over any nation, this horse can ride as God has ordained as written: among the four creatures. It is written: any tree that bears good fruit will be pruned by The Gardener to bear much more fruit in its season. For Paul says that suffering and endurance and patience leads to hope which does not disappoint. He said, therefore, I delight in sufferings in trials; for when I am weak He is strong. For it is not for you to know the times and seasons which The Father has set by His own authority. Such things must happen, but the end will not come right away. Things will go from bad to worse and, eventually, people will be terrified of what is coming upon the world and not know what to do about it at times.
Basic business cyclical model teaches us that there are seasons when the market must receed to make room for further advances. A pruning of sorts. There are expansions and contractions as the earth is in birth pains until the coming of The Lord Jesus in The Millennium. It labors, expectantly, to give birth to The Millennium Reign of Jesus at Jerusalem. As Solomon said, there is a time and a season for everything and there is nothing new under the sun. Everything in its time, will come to pass as written.
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Thanks Sinner_Saint
That explains allot. I also wasn't sure about the wine and oil ?
Makes more sense now.
Blessings
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RE: Inflation in end days - 4/24/2008 4:42:21 AM
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... said
Things will go from bad to worse and, eventually, people will be terrified of what is coming upon the world and not know what to do about it at times.
Yes, this reminds me of the virgins parable with their oil lamps.
Mathew 25: 1 Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom. 2 And five of them were wise, and five were foolish. 3 They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them: 4 But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps. 5 While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept. 6 And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him. 7 Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps. 8 And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.
gone out: or, going out
9 But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves. 10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut. 11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us. 12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not. 13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.
Blessings
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RE: Inflation in end days - 4/25/2008 12:46:01 AM
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Bee777
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This is all very interesting as we are facing a global food crisis
don't you think ??
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RE: Inflation in end days - 4/25/2008 9:39:30 AM
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I just read an article recently talking about the honeybees and how they are dying off so there could be a food shortage since there are not enough to pollinate.
It also mentions that wheat, grapes (wine) and olives (oil) don't need bees to pollinate so they will be a sought after commodity and, of course, their prices will inflate.
It was a Christian article and he said things happens first in the natural and then in the spiritual.
Here is a link to the article:
The Last Day Famine
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RE: Inflation in end days - 4/25/2008 1:02:51 PM
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cyclical is the word we need to remember.
just as history repeats itself, so does everything else.
we don't need to get caught up in predicting, theorizing, or fear of what's taking place. The righteous won't be forsaken or begging for bread. We all know that. What will happen will happen.
We need to be out spreading good news and joy and preparing our hearts.
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RE: Inflation in end days - 4/26/2008 3:48:07 AM
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Bee777
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Yes Sunshine
But there are those of us who have questions ?
We read the Bible and observe the world around us and our minds want to make sense of it. You can know these things and also spread the word and joy. We all work differently, each to his own ....hey.
inquiring minds want to know......................
Louise......... I saw a documentary on National Geographic on the bees a few months back. Very sad..
Interesting about the grapes and oil.......... thanks
Blessings
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RE: Inflation in end days - 4/26/2008 11:30:20 AM
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While this isn't in the bible back in Germany's Weimar republic of the 1920's was so bad it took wheelbarrows of mark notes to buy small amounts of food.
http://www.buyandhold.com/bh/en/education/history/2003/germany.html
On January 11, 1923, French and Belgian troops (against the advice of the British) occupied the Ruhr, a region which furnished 4/5's of Germany's coal and steel production. The miners refused to work for the enemy and the Germans simply printed more money with which to pay them not to, allowing inflation to spiral completely out of control. The economy was strangled and the free fall in the mark was incredible. Following is the historic slide:
July 1914?4.2 marks to the dollar
January 1919?8.9
July 1919?14.0
January 1920?64.8
July 1920?39.5
January 1921?64.9
July 1921?76.7
January 1922?1919.8
July 1922?493.2
January 1923?17,972
July 1923?353,412
August 1923?4,620,455
September 1923?98,860,000
October 1923?25,260,208,000
November 15, 1923?4,200,000,000,000?yes, trillion.
[Source: Gordon Craig, "Germany 1866-1945"]
Germans wheeled shopping carts filled with literally trillions of marks to pay for a single loaf of bread. Employees asked to be paid their wages each morning so that they could shop at noon before merchants posted the afternoon price rises.
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RE: Inflation in end days - 4/26/2008 12:09:51 PM
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Thanks NTECH
Very interesting info !
Can't believe the trillions !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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RE: Inflation in end days - 4/26/2008 1:13:26 PM
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Ntech, I find that interesting, but lets remember that you are refering to a localized event.
This time...the food crisis is looking to be global.
Even during the depression of the 30s, the food situation wasn't as bad as the predictions for the near future.
I too have been thinking about the above mentioned (Rev 6: 5-6) lately.
As for the 'Oil and Wine not being damaged', I believe that is a direct reference to the 'very rich' people being able to still afford certain luxeries, while the rest of us are on rations and such. Labourers who manufacture these items will be under careful watch while working...perhaps similar to diamond workers today.
I find that some Christians these days, who still cling to the world a bit (or lots), refuse to see the end coming, for whatever reasons. I find they usually compare historical bad times with whats happening today.
There are very few 'bad times' in past history that happend on a global scale that would represent what 'seems' the end of the world.
However, the things taking place now are being seen by even some of the 'secular community' as something that is potentially earth shattering.
The difference between now and then, is that now, virtually everything is happening on a global scale, and not just localized as in past history.
Jesus made it clear that we will not know the day or the hour, but he never once said that Christians wouldn't see it coming. In fact, the bible strongly suggests that Christians will have a good idea when the end is just around the corner.
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RE: Inflation in end days - 4/26/2008 10:09:49 PM
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But the problem I see here is that with some estimates on the total national debt running at approximatly 50 to 60 trillion dollars it could be quite possible that inflation could kick in with a vengence. $6 to $10 for a gallon of gasoline. Food prices double or triple what they are now. That could be bad enough.
And speaking of hyperinflation I have a couple of old German bank notes from the teens and the 20's and a 100 mark note from 1914 was a sizable piece of paper with fancy pictures and security features. A 2 million mark note from the 1920's is 2 inches by 3 and is printed only on one side. It was probably worth a buck or two when printed and worth a fraction of a cent when they withdrew those notes from circulation.
Some pictures to look at.
1910 100 mark note.
FIRS LINK
1 and 2 million mark notes circa 1923.
http://i9.ebayimg.com/08/i/000/e7/a7/5e4c_12.JPG
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RE: Inflation in end days - 4/27/2008 9:48:28 AM
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Check out the full artical:
I firmly believe the rapture will devastate the American economy so badly that no one will be able to ignore the consequences. The crisis in the subprime mortgage market is what caused me to realize that the rapture will trigger an economic collapse.
http://www.raptureready.com/rap16.html
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RE: Inflation in end days - 5/7/2008 4:59:50 PM
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cyclical is the word we need to remember.
just as history repeats itself, so does everything else.
we don't need to get caught up in predicting, theorizing, or fear of what's taking place. The righteous won't be forsaken or begging for bread. We all know that. What will happen will happen.
We need to be out spreading good news and joy and preparing our hearts.
Exactly! Sounds like the lessons of Y2K have been completely lost or forgotten. I wonder how many newspaper prophets have taken the time to read about the millions killed in the panic-filled days of the 1918 influenza or have a nodding acquaintance with the Great Depression or the nuclear terror of the 50s-80s. We have a LONG way to go before we cease to be living in the lap of luxury, plenty, and leisure. When people no longer have the time sit around and speculate on coming horror, then we'll know something significant is happening.
For all the hoopla, I still think God is in control.
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RE: Inflation in end days - 5/8/2008 1:39:27 AM
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But the problem I see here is that with some estimates on the total national debt running at approximatly 50 to 60 trillion dollars it could be quite possible that inflation could kick in with a vengence. $6 to $10 for a gallon of gasoline. Food prices double or triple what they are now. That could be bad enough.
And speaking of hyperinflation I have a couple of old German bank notes from the teens and the 20's and a 100 mark note from 1914 was a sizable piece of paper with fancy pictures and security features. A 2 million mark note from the 1920's is 2 inches by 3 and is printed only on one side. It was probably worth a buck or two when printed and worth a fraction of a cent when they withdrew those notes from circulation.
Some pictures to look at.
1910 100 mark note.
FIRS LINK
1 and 2 million mark notes circa 1923.
http://i9.ebayimg.com/08/i/000/e7/a7/5e4c_12.JPG
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I i was you living in the USA, iw ould change my fiat dollars to gold very fast.....
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RE: Inflation in end days - 5/8/2008 10:03:14 PM
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I i was you living in the USA, iw ould change my fiat dollars to gold very fast.....
Shalom?
What if a certain dictator had some inside scoop on the inflation occurences in Germany because he, also, was of Judean descent and knew of a certain private international 'club' that was seeking to erode the economy in Germany at that time..... Therefore, he teamed up with the Catholic Cardinals and Mussolini instead.....
What if the same international club decided to get over on some of the national 'rich people' in the 30's to take over the leadership of the companys etc..... supposedly making america too weak by increasing interest rates sharply through the Governance policy makers decisions at that time implementating a monetary policy that caused the stock market to crash so Germany could gain an advantage.....
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