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Why do you think Aussie film doesn't make it in the int... - 4/18/2008 4:29:23 AM
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I have heard a number of explanations; the obvious one comes up about the accent, then there is the fact many Aussie writers haven't got much life experience and don't give enough action in the screenplays and just that we are so laid back in Australia and we are not particularly intrigued with Hollywood.
Anyone got any thoughts about this subject?
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RE: Why do you think Aussie film doesn't make it in the... - 4/20/2008 1:28:27 PM
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i posed this question in another forum - filled with film afficionados much more knowledgeable than i - this is what they've come up with so far:
http://artsandfaith.com/index.php?showtopic=19659&hl=
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RE: Why do you think Aussie film doesn't make it in the... - 4/21/2008 4:21:29 PM
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Hmm...I though Australian films did fairly well.
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Some of them have in the past (The Man from Snowy River, Mad Max, The Road Warrior, for example). I don't think there's many that have done really well recently, though.
Baz Luhrman's next film is an epic about Australia.
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RE: Why do you think Aussie film doesn't make it in the... - 4/21/2008 10:27:27 PM
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I have heard a number of explanations; the obvious one comes up about the accent, then there is the fact many Aussie writers haven't got much life experience and don't give enough action in the screenplays and just that we are so laid back in Australia and we are not particularly intrigued with Hollywood.
Anyone got any thoughts about this subject?
first, all the above is bunk, and second - since you are in oz, you should probably know your own film culture better than we do. besides, since when is "making it" in hollywood any indication of worth? anyway, i'm pretty sure that aussie film is well regarded internationally - the question is where do you look for international acclaim or response? certainly not hollywood/ most american media. in any case, here is a list of films from the past few decades:
galipolli
mad max
Walkabout (1971)
Picnic At Hanging Rock - 1975
The Getting Of Wisdom - 1977
The Last Wave - 1977
The Chant Of Jimmie Blacksmith - 1978
My Brilliant Career - 1979
Mad Max - 1979
Breaker Morant - 1980
Gallipoli - 1981
The Man From Snowy River - 1982
Road Warrior - 1982
The Year Of Living Dangerously - 1982
Crocodile Dundee in 1986
The Piano in 1993 (though some would say it's more a new zealand film)
Muriel's Wedding 1994
Adventures of Priscilla: Queen Of The Desert (1994).
Lantana (2001)
Rabbit-Proof Fence (2002)
Jindabyne (2006)
The Dish (2000)
happy feet
that's a pretty good list, doncha think?
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RE: Why do you think Aussie film doesn't make it in the... - 4/22/2008 2:41:01 AM
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first, all the above is bunk, and second - since you are in oz, you should probably know your own film culture better than we do. besides, since when is "making it" in hollywood any indication of worth? anyway, i'm pretty sure that aussie film is well regarded internationally - the question is where do you look for international acclaim or response? certainly not hollywood/ most american media. in any case, here is a list of films from the past few decades:
How is the above bunk ? And what do you mean by "bunk"? secondly, no not a lot of film has made it internationally,at least not done that well in the box office. geez you have an arrogant tone with me techne, get this please, I am a student, much of my life has been in darkness and am now starting to learn, in fact it is why I bring up these discussions in the first place, not all of us are a grade students with phd's, at least I am not.
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galipolli
mad max
Walkabout (1971)
Picnic At Hanging Rock - 1975
The Getting Of Wisdom - 1977
The Last Wave - 1977
The Chant Of Jimmie Blacksmith - 1978
My Brilliant Career - 1979
Mad Max - 1979
Breaker Morant - 1980
Gallipoli - 1981
The Man From Snowy River - 1982
Road Warrior - 1982
The Year Of Living Dangerously - 1982
Crocodile Dundee in 1986
The Piano in 1993 (though some would say it's more a new zealand film)
Muriel's Wedding 1994
Adventures of Priscilla: Queen Of The Desert (1994).
Lantana (2001)
Rabbit-Proof Fence (2002)
Jindabyne (2006)
The Dish (2000)
happy feet
10 Canoes - Rolf De Heer (2006)
Shine - Jan Sardi (1997) Death defying acts was released last yr and was directed by Gillian Armstrong (not sure of the ethnicity of the writers), Wolf Creek- Greg Maclean (2005).That film doesn't seem to have done real well. Still all these films are not current and there is not a lot of success internationally in the way of film that is coming from Australia. I hear childrens film is doing well from here but not really any other genre and the producers I know of are hooked in with the Americans . We have a lot of dark movies made here. Yes "the Piano" is a New Zealand film. Not a lot of film is coming out of Australia, a lot of good actors, but not a lot of film.
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I think you would have to define what 'success' means before we could answer this question.
If I can think of 2 dozen films (that I've seen) by a particular nation then I consider them to be doing fairly well in the international market.
While I can't think of any pre-1970 Australian films (I'm from the US), I think they've grown immensely in the international market since then.
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RE: Why do you think Aussie film doesn't make it in the... - 4/22/2008 11:29:19 AM
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first, all the above is bunk, and second - since you are in oz, you should probably know your own film culture better than we do. besides, since when is "making it" in hollywood any indication of worth? anyway, i'm pretty sure that aussie film is well regarded internationally - the question is where do you look for international acclaim or response? certainly not hollywood/ most american media. in any case, here is a list of films from the past few decades:
How is the above bunk ? And what do you mean by "bunk"?
what i was referring to was the original post, as follows:
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I have heard a number of explanations; the obvious one comes up about the accent, then there is the fact many Aussie writers haven't got much life experience and don't give enough action in the screenplays and just that we are so laid back in Australia and we are not particularly intrigued with Hollywood.
when i say, "that's bunk", what i mean is that it is simply not true. aussie films aren't successful because of the accent? come on. aussie writers don't have much life experience? what? not enough action in screenplays? too laid back...hollywood...seriously? actually, the same could be said of canadian films, in many ways...
my point, if you read further, was that "making it in the international market" is about more than financial success in hollywood. acknowledged, north america is a pretty big market, but there are many other places where people watch film. i was making the point that your view of what comprises australian film success seems somewhat limited. i'm sure you could look up the domestic, north american and other box office for various australian movies and see their success in terms of money. you could probably also do a search on those films and find out what their successes are at the thousands of film festivals around the world. there are numerous film websites (both popular and critical) where you could discover these things.
in fact, i would assume that there must be some sort of australian film community and national organization that would be able to provide you with relevant information. here in canada, we have the nfb (national film board) and they produce numerous internationally well-received and award-winning film, whether short, animated, documentary, etc.
so, in the context of your question, one question you need to answer for us is: how do you define "success"?
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secondly, no not a lot of film has made it internationally,at least not done that well in the box office.
again, see above. are you able to access box office stats? last time i checked, box office includes the whole world. even for hollywood films. often, 50% of their grosses are "overseas" (not to mention the DVD market).
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geez you have an arrogant tone with me techne, get this please, I am a student, much of my life has been in darkness and am now starting to learn, in fact it is why I bring up these discussions in the first place, not all of us are a grade students with phd's, at least I am not.
sorry. i'm not trying to be arrogant. my apologies. though i'm not really sure what has offended you here...of course, you did ask for thoughts about the subject.
perhaps it's my comment that, "since you are in oz, you should probably know your own film culture better than we do"? i was simply stating that you probably have the resources you need to discover some of these things right where you are. nevertheless, i was still trying to engage the subject. and i will learn from this as well. we are all students.
all i was saying was that your perception of the international "success" of aussie films seems faulty - your original post seems to make hollywood the measure of that success. which i take issue with. and which is also why i asked you a couple of questions about that issue - i wanted to try to clarify where your thinking was at on that issue. and then i provided you with a link for more information with much more educated people than i, as well as a provisional (though evidently inadequate) list of well-regarded (though not necessarily "money-makers") australian films. further, i think that if you look at population bases, aussie film probably does pretty well...
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10 Canoes - Rolf De Heer (2006)
Shine - Jan Sardi (1997) Death defying acts was released last yr and was directed by Gillian Armstrong (not sure of the ethnicity of the writers), Wolf Creek- Greg Maclean (2005).That film doesn't seem to have done real well. Still all these films are not current and there is not a lot of success internationally in the way of film that is coming from Australia. I hear childrens film is doing well from here but not really any other genre and the producers I know of are hooked in with the Americans. We have a lot of dark movies made here. Not a lot of film is coming out of Australia, a lot of good actors, but not a lot of film.
this is more helpful, but again, i'm not sure how you're defining international success. maybe the fact that there are a lot of "dark movies" has something to do with less financial success, but what about critical success?
also, since you keep saying "current", do you really mean 2008? if so, then your argument could be made for any number of nations, since the hollywood movie industry is the biggest film industry out there (along with bollywood), and its products tend to overwhelm everything else. it's so crazy that canadian films sometimes end up in the foreign film category at oscar time - that's how pervasive the american mind set is.
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RE: Why do you think Aussie film doesn't make it in the... - 4/22/2008 11:39:57 AM
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I actually don't pay much attention to where a film is made and I'll bet a lot of other people don't either. So I don't think you can make a blanket statement that Australian films don't do well. I loved some of the films on the list above and I had no idea where they were made.
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RE: Why do you think Aussie film doesn't make it in the... - 4/23/2008 4:56:01 AM
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Happy Feet did great, so did Babe, Mad Max, Wolf creek, Atonement and Lantana.
Film tells stories and dreams and even influences thought and attitude, sometimes even policy, depending on the message.
There is not a lot of films that pass for funding with the Film Victoria or the AFC, the Aussie film industry relies heavily on governement funding and there is less people here so less revenue. Then of the ones that get funded not all get produced.
There are some art house films that are great, they don't have as much influence as American simply because not as many people see them.
Also the productions are a lot larger over in America, more money spent there and if one has 10 dollars and they have to choose to see the low budget or the bigger budget, they would often spend their money seeing the larger one.
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i thought you were curious about "international success" (whatever you mean by that)...
however, you seem to keep coming back to american [financial] success as your measure...
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RE: Why do you think Aussie film doesn't make it in the... - 4/24/2008 5:36:26 AM
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i thought you were curious about "international success" (whatever you mean by that)...
however, you seem to keep coming back to american [financial] success as your measure...
Where?
I said Amercans can afford to make more expensive productions, more visually stimulating pieces, I am interested why Australian fFilms donn't get as much exposure and I know that is one of the reasons, another is because of the Aussie accent (as I cited earlier) is sometmes difficult to decifer.
I went to an American school in Italy and I experienced the difficulty in understanding this language, it is a hard language to master and I still roll my r's. I can't drop it as it doesn't make sense (the accent, that is).
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RE: Why do you think Aussie film doesn't make it in the... - 4/24/2008 10:50:43 AM
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i thought you were curious about "international success"...
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however, you seem to keep coming back to american [financial] success as your measure...
Where?
I said Amercans can afford to make more expensive productions, more visually stimulating pieces, I am interested why Australian fFilms donn't get as much exposure and I know that is one of the reasons, another is because of the Aussie accent (as I cited earlier) is sometmes difficult to decifer.
maybe. i thought i'd take a look at the best foreign film oscar winners. i'm pretty sure that limited budgets weren't the issue. "visually stimulating" doesn't really require money -- it requires vision. anyway:
2007 The Counterfeiters - Directed by Stefan Ruzowitsky, Austria
2006 The Lives of Others (Das Leben der Anderen) - Directed by Florian Henckel von Donnersmarck Germany
2005 Tsotsi - Directed by Gavin Hood, South Africa
2004 The Sea Inside - Directed by Alejandro Amenábar, Spain
2003 The Barbarian Invasions - Directed by Denys Arcand, Canada
2002 Nowhere in Africa - Directed by Caroline Link, Germany
2001 No Man's Land - Directed by Danis Tanovic, Bosnia & Herzegovina
2000 Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon - Directed by Ang Lee, Taiwan
1999 All About My Mother - Directed by Pedro Almodovar, Spain
1998 Life is Beautiful - Directed by Roberto Benigni, Italy
1997 Character - Directed by Mike van Diem, The Netherlands
1996 Kolya - Directed by Jan Sverák, Czech Republic
1995 Antonia's Line - Directed by Marleen Gorris, The Netherlands
1994 Burnt By The Sun - Directed by Nikita Mikhalkov, Russia
1993 Belle Epoque - Directed by Fernando Trueba, Spain
1992 Indochine - Directed by Régis Wargnier, France
1991 Mediterraneo - Directed by Gabriele Salvatores, Italy
1990 Journey of Hope - Directed by Xavier Koller, Switzerland
just food for thought. anyway, as for australian success internationally:
http://www.afc.gov.au/archive/awards/mrawardsdocosb.html
http://www.afc.gov.au/archive/awards/mrawardsshortsm.html
http://www.if.com.au/PR/View.aspx?newsid=741
http://www.afc.gov.au/filmsandawards/recentintawards.aspx
a couple of interesting articles about australian film:
http://wwwmcc.murdoch.edu.au/ReadingRoom/film/1980s.html
http://efilmcritic.com/feature.php?feature=405
what seems to be a good resource for the subject:
http://www.acn.gov.au/website/category/ZXGA60~Film,+Video+and+Interactive+Media;+Journals+and+Publications
and for a nice overview: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinema_of_Australia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Australian_films
hope you find at least some of these links helpful or useful...
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Geoffery Rush came to one of our forums and he was quite helpful, he actually started as a director. I don't understand the transition personally. He came with us to the pub afterwards so he spent a fair bit of time with us (around 20 of us). It was interesting only I had to excuse myself early because I had to go for my graduation ceremony. He agreed that not many Aussie films make it internationally.
I almost asked if he wanted my autograph, just cause I'm crazy and am not a respector of persons  , also when he foirst walked in he couldn't take his eyes off me (thought I had chocolate on my face or something, my freind told me she wanted to set me up with him but he's not my type, plus he's married and not Christian as far as I know) I crack my fellow students up all the time with some of teh things I say and it was my attitude really that showed that I am not in awe as people often are, Geoff is the same, he doesn't watch TV and is not in awe of people just because the world is.
I am in awe of saints when the Holy Spirit is there because Jesus is also there then, none of the saints seem to have any time for me though. I guess they would for Geoff. Wah, wah, best I cry now to myself  .
He was busy talking to the young ones who are in awe of him, mostly I talked to my teachers, explaining I am the same person they began teaching at the beginning of the year (one could not recognise me, I had my hair done but didn't think I looked that different), I think mostly I look like a tomboy but soemtimes I look like a woman or perhaps a girl, my body never grew up past 12 and my mannerism is often like a girl, I get excited easily and get joyous easily and jump around for no apparent reason, unless you are up close to me I look like a little girl. I also feel best at home with other children, just playing and jumping and dancing an goofing around , was on the trampoline the other day doing forward flips with my daughter (she was doing back flips) and my grandchildren, 3 generations all doing flips lol! Besides al the things I like to do are kids things, i CAN ACT LIKE AN ADULT, BUT THAT'S JUST ACTING IT'S NOT FOR Real.
Don't really care what others think, they don't ever tell me to my face anyway, only talk behind my back. My brohter even tells me I am a kid with kids, I am happy with that because I know heaven is filled with such as these and I don't even have to try ! Halleluya, halleluyia, halleluya   praizzzzzzze the Lord!
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Geoffery Rush came to one of our forums and he was quite helpful, he actually started as a director...He agreed that not many Aussie films make it internationally.
but was he aware of any that did? and if so, did he offer any opinions as to why? did he share any of his experiences and struggles as an aussie director trying to get films made (in light of the reasons you have listed previously as to why it is difficult for aussie films to get made, let alone achieve "international success")?
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RE: Why do you think Aussie film doesn't make it in the... - 5/1/2008 9:07:15 PM
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As I said earlier, I only interrupted when I was leaving, the other students had him baled up pretty much, glad we didn't send out emails otherwise we would've been swamped and not even got the time we did get. He spoke mostly about his acting. I actually didn't realise he was a director until later. He talked about his uni times as an actor in London (from memory), he also spoke about how Jhonny Depp has his own sound person and walks around with an earpiece (hope I'm not talking out of school as in hpe this is not top secret info) on set so he can stay focused (I realise this is totally unrelated, I liked him in 21 Jump Street but don't really like any of the other films he's done like Charlie and the Choc factory and Pirates and those other tacky films he's done). Actors need to be very self absorbed, or absorbed in some manner for them to be interesting.
Looking at his filmography, he didn't do much directing, he came unexpectedly so I didn't really have time to reaserch about him. He spoke about the actors relationship with the screenwriter (we are a class of writers) mainly.
Him and I arranged the seats when we got to the pub and I sat next to my teachers, he was accross from me but I was engaging convo with my teachers, he kept putting his hand out to shake my hand and he also asked my name, I asked my teacher if he's for real? He shrugged and said he wears glasses and if I hadn't spoken he wouldn't have known who I was either.
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I would think something with more life would be more fitting seeing we have recieved new life in Him. Nevertheless each to his/her own manner of expression.
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I have heard a number of explanations; the obvious one comes up about the accent, then there is the fact many Aussie writers haven't got much life experience and don't give enough action in the screenplays and just that we are so laid back in Australia and we are not particularly intrigued with Hollywood.
Anyone got any thoughts about this subject?
first, all the above is bunk, and second - since you are in oz, you should probably know your own film culture better than we do. besides, since when is "making it" in hollywood any indication of worth? anyway, i'm pretty sure that aussie film is well regarded internationally - the question is where do you look for international acclaim or response? certainly not hollywood/ most american media. in any case, here is a list of films from the past few decades:
galipolli
mad max
Walkabout (1971)
Picnic At Hanging Rock - 1975
The Getting Of Wisdom - 1977
The Last Wave - 1977
The Chant Of Jimmie Blacksmith - 1978
My Brilliant Career - 1979
Mad Max - 1979
Breaker Morant - 1980
Gallipoli - 1981
The Man From Snowy River - 1982
Road Warrior - 1982
The Year Of Living Dangerously - 1982
Crocodile Dundee in 1986
The Piano in 1993 (though some would say it's more a new zealand film)
Muriel's Wedding 1994
Adventures of Priscilla: Queen Of The Desert (1994).
Lantana (2001)
Rabbit-Proof Fence (2002)
Jindabyne (2006)
The Dish (2000)
happy feet
that's a pretty good list, doncha think?
What about The Castle or Young Einstein? I quite like those movies. The Castle is a classic.
I watched Mad Max for the first time about a month ago...it's so graphic it disturbed me. I also forgot about the whole post-apocolyptic setting so it was confusing for a while.
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