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Will the Church be Judged? - 7/21/2008 10:11:56 AM
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manichunter
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Will the Church of Jesus face a future judgment by God?
I say yes, Scripture says in 1Pe 4:17 - For the time has come for judgment to begin at the house of God; and if it begins with us first, what will be the end of those who do not obey the gospel of God?
Why does anyone face judgment? Two reasons.
First, judgment removes impurities and transgression out of the character of our soul. This is done when a person does voluntarily seek change on their own. God takes it upon Himself to appoint a season in which He takes things out of our character in order to prepare and promote us for the next season of our life. Jas 1:2-4- My brethren, count it all joy when you fall into various trials,, 3knowing that the testing of your faith produces patience. 4But let patience have its perfect work, that you may be perfect and complete, lacking nothing.
This is the sort of trial encountered by Abraham, Joseph, Moses, David, Job, the Apostles that lead to their promotions and preparations for the next function and season in their life. The saints of today are not exempt from the purifications made by ordained trials God requires to promote us. This can be called the judgment of purification.
Secondly, judgment is God's attempt to get His people out of the state of sin. God either tries to bring His people to repentance and get them to return to His ways, or He allows judgment to take them into captivity. He then either puts them on the shelf as a vessel of dishonor or destroys them like a heathen. This believer does not make an honest attempt to judge them self. They make little to know effort to change their understanding, lifestyle, and state. This can be called the judgment against iniquity or lawlessness.
1Co 11:31 -For if we would judge ourselves, we would not be judged.
Heb 12:6 - For whom the LORD loves He chastens, And scourges every son whom He receives."
Re 2:16 - Repent, or else I will come to you quickly and will fightagainstthem with the sword of My mouth.
I say these things because the Lord has been showing me, preparing me, and about to promote me to some things that could either cause fear or joy in most saints. There is a reason why judgment always comes upon the people of God first. Simply, it is God's pattern and He changes not. He has always followed this pattern of judging His people first, then the nations secondly. However within the judging of His people, there are various stages and types of judgment.
First, when God judges His people, He always gives a warning before judging His people as stated by Eze 3:17 - Son of man, I have made thee a watchman unto the house of Israel: therefore hear the word at my mouth, and give them warning from me.
Secondly, when judgment comes upon His people, a remnant is always set aside becomes they have proven themselves faithful and repentive. They are judged collectively but their judgment works for their good and the good of those to follow. This remnant is a type of first fruit for the next harvest of God's people. They are given instructions by God and prophecy concerning what to do after the period of captivity is lifted. Hence they are prepared for the judgment and trials to come.
Isa 1:9 - Except the LORD of hosts had left unto us a very small remnant, we should have been as Sodom, and we should have been like unto Gomorrah.
Isa 37:31 - And the remnant that is escaped of the house of Judah shall again take root downward, and bear fruit upward:
This is illustrated from Noah and Daniel to the believing disciples of Jesus.
Jer 29:1 - Now these are the words of the letter that Jeremiah the prophet sent from Jerusalem unto the residue of the elders which were carried away captives, and to the priests, and to the prophets, and to all the people whom Nebuchadnezzar had carried away captive from Jerusalem to Babylon;
Thirdly, when judgment comes upon God's people, he takes the unfaithful into captivity with a sentence of death. They are treated as a gentile sense they acted like a gentile. They face the same consequences of the heathen. God always judged Israel by a gentile nation, then turned around and judged the nation that captured Israel.
Ho 8:8 - Israel is swallowed up: now shall they be among the Gentiles as a vessel wherein is no pleasure.
Lastly, God judges the gentile nations for their sins and rebellion against Him.
Now lets get to the point that the Spirit taught me. The time is near that judgment must begin at the house of the Lord. House denotes and refers to the people within a household not any physical building. The bride of Christ must be made ready if she is to be without spot, wrinkle, and blemish. The first fruit saints are being made ready to deliver the last message meant especially for the tribulation preparation.
Who does God always send before His returns? Elijah's who prepare His way. The message has been and still is repent for the King is coming. It will be no different in the future. God wants the lamps full of oil and His people woke for His appearing. The clock says that the Day of Atonement is near.
The period of atonement is about to start before the coming tribulation. This will be the period that the judgment of purification perfects those saints that fall upon the rock.
After the trumpets start blowing the period of atonement is up. It will be too late to get the special revelation, power, awareness, and calling for the end time ministry needed during the tribulation. End time ministry will not be business as usual. The time of playing church will be over. Those who are prepared will be ready. Those who are not ready will go into captivity by the judgment of iniquity.
The unprepared will have the rock fall on them because since they did not judge themselves, repent, or heed the message of preparation. This period of judgment regarding iniquity will be doing the first three and a half years of the tribulation.
Re 13:10 - He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.
Re 13:7 -And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
During the period of atonement, the Body of Christ will undergo a cooperate judgment of purification. Some will submit to the judgment and some will not submit to the judgment. Then those who would not submit to the judgment of purification will under the judgment of iniquity along with the gentile nations in the tribulations.
What do you think if you have read this post?
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RE: Will the Church be Judged? - 7/21/2008 4:23:23 PM
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faithfulservant_
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Apostle Peter wrote: "For it is time for judgment to begin with the household of God; and if it begins with us first, what will be the outcome for those who do not obey the gospel of God?" (1 Peter 4:17). In his first epistle, Peter used the definite article with judgment, which he states begins with the household of God (the church).
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RE: Will the Church be Judged? - 7/21/2008 5:41:06 PM
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rcjames
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Well since that the Church is a conflab of all ture Believers and Scripturture tell us;
(2Co 5:10) For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
Then yes the 'Church" will be judged; one Believer at a time.
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RE: Will the Church be Judged? - 7/21/2008 7:54:36 PM
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Then yes the 'Church" will be judged; one Believer at a time.
I was asked this question by a Christian many years ago. He asked me "are we going to be judged after we die?" I said "yes, we will all be judged by God after we die." Then he said to me "that is scary!" I told him, in theory yes, in reality no.
Of course, just the thought of having to appear before the judgement seat of Christ, who will determine your eternal destiny is indeed scary. However, the bible tells us that those who are born again may have confidence in their day of judgement. Therefore, in reality we should be confident and look forward to the day of judgement if we are born again.
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RE: Will the Church be Judged? - 7/22/2008 1:46:12 PM
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manichunter
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quote:
ORIGINAL: faithfulservant_
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original: rcjames
Then yes the 'Church" will be judged; one Believer at a time.
I was asked this question by a Christian many years ago. He asked me "are we going to be judged after we die?" I said "yes, we will all be judged by God after we die." Then he said to me "that is scary!" I told him, in theory yes, in reality no.
Of course, just the thought of having to appear before the judgement seat of Christ, who will determine your eternal destiny is indeed scary. However, the bible tells us that those who are born again may have confidence in their day of judgement. Therefore, in reality we should be confident and look forward to the day of judgement if we are born again.
very much true. However I speak about the purgings and refining the potter does to the clay now.
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RE: Will the Church be Judged? - 7/22/2008 2:50:22 PM
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rcjames
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quote:
ORIGINAL: manichunter
very much true. However I speak about the purgings and refining the potter does to the clay now.
Since our relationship with God is a personal one, and not a corporate one; he purges and refines one person at a time.
There is no evidence in Christian history that God wholesale dumps groups that are heretics; He deals with us one Believer at a time.
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RC
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