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collective evil/sin - 7/12/2008 4:45:13 PM
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terryjohn
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Many of us are aware of our own sins but how many of us see corporate evil/sins. What I mean is that collectivelly we are unconsciencously involved with institutions, organsations or companies that are not sinless with regard to what we as individual would consider right in Christ. I would never suggest that anyone name any such group least you got sued but what are some examples you see or have come across?
For example, How can private Christian schools be so expensive that the poor are prevented from entering? Should not christian schools cater for the poor and before the rich?
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RE: collective evil/sin - 7/12/2008 5:06:39 PM
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jennycnails
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Im a single Mom of three and I live by a christain school. I would give anything in the world to have my kids go there but they don't offer any discounts. I believe christain schools save souls and teach kids values. It's not far at all. I worry so much about my kids.
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RE: collective evil/sin - 7/12/2008 6:17:39 PM
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OneJohn410
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ORIGINAL: terryjohn
Many of us are aware of our own sins but how many of us see corporate evil/sins. What I mean is that collectivelly we are unconsciencously involved with institutions, organsations or companies that are not sinless with regard to what we as individual would consider right in Christ. I would never suggest that anyone name any such group least you got sued but what are some examples you see or have come across?
For example, How can private Christian schools be so expensive that the poor are prevented from entering? Should not christian schools cater for the poor and before the rich?
The world is an imperfect place, the Bible tells us so. I don't know how you are linking sinning to a institution, organization, or company. God is not going to judge his creation by the company you or I keep, it's going to be HE and you, and HE and I. If a church is a gathering of people, or call it an organization, or even a family, then a church cannot be without sin too, right? For all have sinned and fallen short... .
I missed reading how this impacts with your general faith. There's public schools and private schools, and generally private schools are not funded with public tax monies, and so they can establish their own rules of operating and such. That's how they can be expensive, yet even the public school system is not free, right? In fact, isn't Mom and Dad Privateschooler taxed to help fund public schooling even while paying even more for John and Jane Privateschooler to attend a private school?
Your thought train will soon have everyone doing the same job, making the same wage, eating the same food, and create a lot of chaos and probably a lot of sloth as no one will feel like doing much of anything because everyone else is already doing it.
How then should we pray? Lord, forgive us our sins and also our conscienciously corporate, organizational evils and sins, and also our failures ensure everyone is earning exactly what we are and not providing a means for them to have the same job we do?
I missed reading how this topic of potentially high controversy impacts with your general faith.
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RE: collective evil/sin - 7/12/2008 6:19:04 PM
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OneJohn410
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ORIGINAL: terryjohn
Many of us are aware of our own sins but how many of us see corporate evil/sins. What I mean is that collectivelly we are unconsciencously involved with institutions, organsations or companies that are not sinless with regard to what we as individual would consider right in Christ. I would never suggest that anyone name any such group least you got sued but what are some examples you see or have come across?
For example, How can private Christian schools be so expensive that the poor are prevented from entering? Should not christian schools cater for the poor and before the rich?
The world is an imperfect place, the Bible tells us so. I don't know how you are linking sinning to a institution, organization, or company. God is not going to judge his creation by the company you or I keep, it's going to be HE and you, and HE and I. If a church is a gathering of people, or call it an organization, or even a family, then a church cannot be without sin too, right? For all have sinned and fallen short... .
I missed reading how this impacts with your general faith. There's public schools and private schools, and generally private schools are not funded with public tax monies, and so they can establish their own rules of operating and such. That's how they can be expensive, yet even the public school system is not free, right? In fact, isn't Mom and Dad Privateschooler taxed to help fund public schooling even while paying even more for John and Jane Privateschooler to attend a private school?
Your thought train will soon have everyone doing the same job, making the same wage, eating the same food, and create a lot of chaos and probably a lot of sloth as no one will feel like doing much of anything because everyone else is already doing it.
How then should we pray? Lord, forgive us our sins and also our conscienciously corporate, organizational evils and sins, and also our failures ensure everyone is earning exactly what we are and for not providing a means for them to have the same job we do?
I missed reading how this topic of potentially high controversy impacts with your general faith.
OneJohn410
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RE: collective evil/sin - 7/13/2008 12:22:32 AM
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SavedByGraceMD
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quote:
ORIGINAL: terryjohn
Many of us are aware of our own sins but how many of us see corporate evil/sins. What I mean is that collectivelly we are unconsciencously involved with institutions, organsations or companies that are not sinless with regard to what we as individual would consider right in Christ. I would never suggest that anyone name any such group least you got sued but what are some examples you see or have come across?
For example, How can private Christian schools be so expensive that the poor are prevented from entering? Should not christian schools cater for the poor and before the rich?
I think I understand what you mean. I agree with your point on the Christian schools. They are businesses though, and need money to be able to operate, but maybe they should have a program where less fortunate kids can go without paying or something.
As to other businesses, I won't use names, but lets just say that there is a burger joint supporting the homosexual agenda. As Christians, is it ok for us to keep going there, or should we stand up, and take our business elsewhere While letting them know we won't spend our money at a business who stands for something that goes against our beliefs.
I believe God will judge us by who, what, how, why and where we spend our money.
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But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
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RE: collective evil/sin - 7/13/2008 10:01:54 AM
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Covaan_Meshuga
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Well, since Christian schools have been brought up, teachers need to eat, too. Shall we pay them less, putting them on a starvation diet, so a poor child can attend their schools? No. Perhaps home schooling, if you can at all, is the better choice anyway. I know a young single woman who must work, so she found someone who has been willing to home school her children since preschool, and her daughter is in 7th grade now. This is not always available to everyone, but it is something that could be sought after.
Private schools are not evil to charge so the people who work there can live, just as it is not evil for believing artists to charge for the work they do. The Bible is clear that people are to be paid for services rendered.
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