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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 5/15/2008 11:07:12 PM
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gaylel1
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Let me see...we have a governor who want to shut Christianity up in California (Cannot condemn people to hell because it may be against the law soon with churches) and now this state want to endorse Adam and Steve?
Jerry and James must be turning over in their graves right now, God having seen fit for them to get out of this crazy world, which is getting idotic by the minute.
Amazing....
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 5/16/2008 9:58:52 AM
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Jhud
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Don't forget it was the great state of Massachusetts that started the marrying of gay people! Darn East Coasters! They're all devil worshippers! What have they done good since the tea party! [Sarc/very much on]
Your prejudice against the Golden State is well known. It's those types of comments by you and others with their drivel against our state that makes me wish we were still the California Republic. You can go sulk at your lake.
I am not prejudiced against the state, I am prejudice against it's judges, attitudes, and policies. The land is great, I just wish a more noble people inhabited it.
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And don't worry Jack your state will be added to the legalized gay marriage list when the US Supreme Court rules on it within the decade so we'll all be in the same boat.
Oh, exactly, which is reason number #5623 not to vote for Obama, that we might forestall the overthrow of a fundamental human institution for a bit longer.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 5/16/2008 10:41:09 AM
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Not to ENTIRELY go off-topic, but has anyone heard that California just legalized same-sex 'marriage?' Californians,any feed-back?
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 5/16/2008 11:07:09 AM
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workinmomof2
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OK, that's old news (by aday or so.) Well, people laughed when abortion was made legal in '73 and said those who warned it would lead to leaglized euthanasia were nuts. Doctor-assisted suicide is legal in Oregon.
They laugh at the thought of polygamy being legalized as an offshoot of
gay 'marriage'. At this rate, we'll go to hell in a handbasket,laughing all the way!
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 5/16/2008 11:11:23 AM
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tracydolls
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I am prejudice against it's judges
You are prejudced against the republican judges that overturned it?
7 out of 9 were Repubs.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 5/16/2008 11:11:47 AM
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laura...
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ORIGINAL: GeorgiaNerd
Like it or not, it's happening.
California Supreme Court finds a ban on same-sex marriage unconstitutional.
Looks like that's the final say for California, as the decision cannot be appealed to the US Supreme Court.
Ellen is getting married.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 5/16/2008 12:22:57 PM
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Jhud
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You are prejudced against the republican judges that overturned it?
7 out of 9 were Repubs.
You do realize there are only 7 judges total on the California Supreme Court?
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 5/16/2008 12:49:50 PM
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tracydolls
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And what may come as a surprise to some, six of the seven justices were Republican appointees.
ok 6 out of 7.
Republicans.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 5/16/2008 1:16:12 PM
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Jhud
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ok 6 out of 7.
Republicans.
Well yes, 3 of the 6 voted to overturn the the statute, 3 voted against. And of course the only Democrat voted for, making a majority.
Of course, California is noted for it's rather liberal Republican Governors in the last few cycles; and so that they appointed liberal judges doesn't suprise me too much, particularly as the issue wasn't even a concern when most of these people were appointed. And the people of California have the right to recall such judges, if they had the intestinal fortitude to do so.
What I find amazing is that Schwarzenegger's only appointment voted conservatively. What are the chances of that?
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 5/16/2008 1:54:53 PM
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tracydolls
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Well yes, 3 of the 6 voted to overturn the the statute, 3 voted against. And of course the only Democrat voted for, making a majority.
How is it possible that 3 Repubs voted for it?
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Of course, California is noted for it's rather liberal Republican Governors in the last few cycles; and so that they appointed liberal judges doesn't suprise me too much, particularly as the issue wasn't even a concern when most of these people were appointed. And the people of California have the right to recall such judges, if they had the intestinal fortitude to do so.
What is is intestinal fortitude? Doesnt sound good.
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What I find amazing is that Schwarzenegger's only appointment voted conservatively. What are the chances of that?
Good since he is a repub!
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 5/16/2008 3:18:19 PM
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Jhud
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How is it possible that 3 Repubs voted for it?
Well, one doesn’t always know what party a judge is affiliated with; we know who appointed them, but not necessarily how they themselves feel about certain issues. And in California it sounds like judgeships are more like political appointments than they are about judicial philosophy.
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What is is intestinal fortitude? Doesnt sound good
Yeah, usually requires two to three days of bed rest.
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Good since he is a repub!
Well, so I have heard. There isn’t a lot of evidence to prove it though.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 5/16/2008 4:09:47 PM
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CatholicCritter
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Ummm...Arnold may be a Republican, but he leans over to the left pretty hard.
The guy married into the Kennedy family...nuff said.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 5/16/2008 4:22:20 PM
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ORIGINAL: WesP
Ummm...Arnold may be a Republican, but he leans over to the left pretty hard.
The guy married into the Kennedy family...nuff said.
You beat me to it.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 5/16/2008 5:35:57 PM
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kernsfamily
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simple...and honest question here regarding the "decision" by the California court....
Everyone is complaining about these "activist" judges...thwarting the "will of the people" and all that sort of stuff. Right?
So...the courts were instrumental in the desegregation of schools (at the time, a huge "thwarting" of the "will of the people" back in that day and time).....the courts were instrumental in ending the bans on "interracial marriage" (again, thwarting the "will of the people")...
All of the comments that have been discussed about THIS court case, was probably said about the others I had mentioned....
• God having seen fit for them to get out of this crazy world, which is getting idotic by the minute.
• The land is great, I just wish a more noble people inhabited it.
• I fear this country is asking for God's wrath in spades...
Comments similar to those above were likely made once the courts decided that it was perfectly legal for ALL children to attend school together, regardless of race...and that it was OK for any one to marry, regardless of race......even though, most "church going Christian" folks were convinced that these things were BIBLICALLY WRONG, and, therefore, steadfast against it.
The late, well-known pastor of First Baptist Church Dallas, Dr. W. A. Criswell, became quite well known for his sermons which taught how WRONG "desegregation" of the schools were....and taught directly from the Bible on the matter.
Were those other court decisions determined by "activist judges"?....because, we all know that those very rulings "thwarted" the "will of the people".....and were considered as pushing ahead an "evil" and "anti-Biblical" agenda???
So, which is it? and, which one is what?
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 5/16/2008 9:35:11 PM
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Marcus.
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The passages on homosexuality are as clear cut as the ten commandments. I would never say the same about race.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 5/17/2008 4:21:24 PM
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I am not prejudiced against the state, I am prejudice against it's judges, attitudes, and policies. The land is great, I just wish a more noble people inhabited it.
Well, the rest of California and I salute you for this comment.  I'm sorry we don't live in a perfect state such as yours!
We all know about the Biblical principles regarding homosexuality but show me a legal reason why THE STATE cannot perform legal unions (marriages) of gay people. There is no legal reason I see that the state can deny them this.
When they try to force churches to do this then I'd have a problem with that. Then the government has truly overstepped their bounds!
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 5/17/2008 5:26:05 PM
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Marcus.
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In that case why can't the state allow anything that we would consider evil? Murder, theft, rape, etc.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 5/17/2008 8:51:02 PM
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ORIGINAL: Marcus.
In that case why can't the state allow anything that we would consider evil? Murder, theft, rape, etc.
Because in cases of murder, rape, theft, et c., someone is harmed.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 5/18/2008 4:00:35 AM
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mapachito13
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ORIGINAL: Marcus.
In that case why can't the state allow anything that we would consider evil? Murder, theft, rape, etc.
The government doesn't consider it "evil" just "illegal". For example, if I killed someone because they killed a family member, that's murder and illegal. If the state killed someone because they killed my family member, that's execution and legal.
You can object to homosexual marriages on religious or moral grounds but not on legal grounds through objectively applying the law especially as it pertains to the US Constitution.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 5/18/2008 9:39:37 AM
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SonInMe1
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committed gay relationship.
no such thing.
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The Episcopal Diocese of San Joaquin has sued a deposed bishop, demanding he vacate his offices and turn over financial accounts for leading a secession last year prompted by the church's ordination of women and gays.
So this bishop disagrees with the doctrine of a church....he just wants to keep the stuff the church gave him...hmmm. Pony up dude and step out on your own and leave all that stuff behined. If the position is the right one, why associate yourself in any way with the past affiliation?
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Christian Horizons (CH), the group in question, describes itself as "an evangelical ministry seeking to reach out with Christian love to people with disabilities."
How much of their funding comes from the government?
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CH receives $75 million in funding annually from the Ontario government in order to carry out these services.
If you want autonomy, you have to...pay...for it. You can't have your cake, governemnt funding, and eat it too, go by any rule you want to.
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A state-funded organization in Maine touted as "a stellar program for social change" is advertising a seminar that essentially provides information to impressionable school-age boys on how to be homosexual, according to a pro-family organization opposing the plans.
Then you have organizations funded by the government that promote homosexuality. Can you sence some hypocracy here? The only way homosexuality can spread is through promotion and the government here seems to be saying with its monies...we support homosexuality and promote it and are also going to quiet any opposition to homosexuality and we don't care about freedom of speach to accomplish this.
Time to move south canadians.
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The vote was 574-298 to reject a measure that would have changed the UMC's definition of marriage to include same-sex unions.
Did God ask for a vote on what constitutes sin...?????
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prevents governments and state universities from recognizing domestic partnerships to provide health insurance to the partners of gay workers.
Sexually transmitted diseases are more easily transmitted through male homosexual activity.
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The exercise in "social transition" was initiated by the boy's parents who approached the administration at Chatham Park Elementary School in Haverford Township asking that the school help in having their child's female identity find acceptance among his peers. After consulting experts on transgender children, the Haverford School District sent letters to parents advising them the school guidance counselor would meet with their children, reported the Philadelphia Inquirer.
This constitutes child abuse.
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Why is California still a state?
Ya can't make good fruit cake without some nuts.
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Because in cases of murder, rape, theft, et c., someone is harmed.
No one is harmed by commiting..sin? Hmmmm
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 5/18/2008 9:56:04 AM
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Marcus.
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Homosexuality was a criminal offense since the beginning of the country. In fact it carried the death penalty in the 1700s.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 5/18/2008 12:58:15 PM
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Well, one doesn’t always know what party a judge is affiliated with; we know who appointed them, but not necessarily how they themselves feel about certain issues. And in California it sounds like judgeships are more like political appointments than they are about judicial philosophy .
Nailed it...
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Well, so I have heard. There isn’t a lot of evidence to prove it though.
HA!
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