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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 7/4/2008 8:06:16 PM
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Stephanos
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Hey PhunkD,
Did it ever occur to you that the fellow officers family KNEW what he was going to say and supported it? I know my pastors, and as a future pastor, most pastors actual TALK to the family about what they are going to speak on during the funeral. They ask the family if the deceased had a particular favorite passage of scripture, ask about the life they lead, ect.
Notice that not once did this news article say that the family was upset on what he said. Truly, if they were, would that not have been printed? Knowing the LA Times, it would have.
So again, by all acounts, the family was not upset with the sermon. So what is the big deal?
Oh thats right, liberals in this country/world hate the truth of the bible, and would like to silence EVERYONE who speaks against the evil of homosexuality.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 7/4/2008 10:09:24 PM
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Police officer sues LAPD and Los Angeles, alleging religious discrimination
While off duty, the sergeant, who also is a pastor, gave a speech in which he called homosexual acts an 'abomination.'
By Victoria Kim, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
July 2, 2008
The Los Angeles Police Department engaged in religious discrimination by disciplining an employee for off-duty remarks made about homosexual acts, an LAPD sergeant has alleged in a lawsuit filed against the city and the department.
In a fall 2006 eulogy delivered at a fellow officer's funeral, Sgt. Eric Holyfield, who also is a pastor, said homosexual acts were "sinful" and an "abomination" and would lead to condemnation in hell, or the "lake of fire," if one did not repent, according to a lawsuit he filed June 19 in Los Angeles County Superior Court.
After those comments, LAPD passed him up for promotions and pay raises in retaliation, Holyfield alleges in the suit, saying that he was discriminated against for his religion and that his 1st Amendment rights were violated.
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It is in very poor taste of him to preach about that at a funeral. That is almost as low as Fred Phelps and his crew picketing funerals. That shows blatant disrespect for the deceased and the family. If he wants to preach about homosexuality, do it at one of his Sunday sermons, since it says he is a preacher. Speech is a gray area. I know my employee handbook at my hospital has certain situations about what I do off the clock being able to get me in trouble or fired and there is language where speech can be a factor int hat. I do get the point in that officers should not be biased against any group of people in their jobs. However, I think that simply preaching wouldn't prove that your bias would affect your job. Yes, it does point to a dislike of gays, but without action I think that preaching doesn't necessarily count as proof. For example, I have a fellow nurse in the ER who has been very clear that she doesn't agree with homosexuality, but at the same time I have never seen her treat any of the homosexuals that come through the ER any differently than any patient. That is not something we can do in our jobs--we cannot treat anyone differently due to our own prejudices--we get all lifestyles, races, and religions, so not being able to forget that would make us people who don't belong in the job. I would say the same as officers.
As for whether I agree with his lawsuit, I don't really know. We are only getting his side of the story and he will make himself look blameless and like the victim. So I would have to make sure there aren't any other reasons he was passed up for promotions or pay raises before I make a decision. Pay raises and promotions aren't a right, but the reasoning I would have to know more fully since I wouldn't trust anyone to tell the full truth in a situation as this.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 7/4/2008 10:27:11 PM
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Police officer sues LAPD and Los Angeles, alleging religious discrimination
While off duty, the sergeant, who also is a pastor, gave a speech in which he called homosexual acts an 'abomination.'
By Victoria Kim, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
July 2, 2008
The Los Angeles Police Department engaged in religious discrimination by disciplining an employee for off-duty remarks made about homosexual acts, an LAPD sergeant has alleged in a lawsuit filed against the city and the department.
In a fall 2006 eulogy delivered at a fellow officer's funeral, Sgt. Eric Holyfield, who also is a pastor, said homosexual acts were "sinful" and an "abomination" and would lead to condemnation in hell, or the "lake of fire," if one did not repent, according to a lawsuit he filed June 19 in Los Angeles County Superior Court.
After those comments, LAPD passed him up for promotions and pay raises in retaliation, Holyfield alleges in the suit, saying that he was discriminated against for his religion and that his 1st Amendment rights were violated.
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It is in very poor taste of him to preach about that at a funeral. That is almost as low as Fred Phelps and his crew picketing funerals. That shows blatant disrespect for the deceased and the family. If he wants to preach about homosexuality, do it at one of his Sunday sermons, since it says he is a preacher. Speech is a gray area. I know my employee handbook at my hospital has certain situations about what I do off the clock being able to get me in trouble or fired and there is language where speech can be a factor int hat. I do get the point in that officers should not be biased against any group of people in their jobs. However, I think that simply preaching wouldn't prove that your bias would affect your job. Yes, it does point to a dislike of gays, but without action I think that preaching doesn't necessarily count as proof. For example, I have a fellow nurse in the ER who has been very clear that she doesn't agree with homosexuality, but at the same time I have never seen her treat any of the homosexuals that come through the ER any differently than any patient. That is not something we can do in our jobs--we cannot treat anyone differently due to our own prejudices--we get all lifestyles, races, and religions, so not being able to forget that would make us people who don't belong in the job. I would say the same as officers.
As for whether I agree with his lawsuit, I don't really know. We are only getting his side of the story and he will make himself look blameless and like the victim. So I would have to make sure there aren't any other reasons he was passed up for promotions or pay raises before I make a decision. Pay raises and promotions aren't a right, but the reasoning I would have to know more fully since I wouldn't trust anyone to tell the full truth in a situation as this.
Show us WHERE it EVER says the family was offended and disrespected by what was said at the funeral. I for one would want the pastor at my funeral to speak from God's word! The very fact that this LA times story does not mention if the family was upset, was probably because they were not, and saying so would upset the overall them of this story that the Officer/Pastor was wrong.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 7/4/2008 10:32:34 PM
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Police officer sues LAPD and Los Angeles, alleging religious discrimination
While off duty, the sergeant, who also is a pastor, gave a speech in which he called homosexual acts an 'abomination.'
By Victoria Kim, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
July 2, 2008
The Los Angeles Police Department engaged in religious discrimination by disciplining an employee for off-duty remarks made about homosexual acts, an LAPD sergeant has alleged in a lawsuit filed against the city and the department.
In a fall 2006 eulogy delivered at a fellow officer's funeral, Sgt. Eric Holyfield, who also is a pastor, said homosexual acts were "sinful" and an "abomination" and would lead to condemnation in hell, or the "lake of fire," if one did not repent, according to a lawsuit he filed June 19 in Los Angeles County Superior Court.
After those comments, LAPD passed him up for promotions and pay raises in retaliation, Holyfield alleges in the suit, saying that he was discriminated against for his religion and that his 1st Amendment rights were violated.
Story continues
It is in very poor taste of him to preach about that at a funeral. That is almost as low as Fred Phelps and his crew picketing funerals. That shows blatant disrespect for the deceased and the family. If he wants to preach about homosexuality, do it at one of his Sunday sermons, since it says he is a preacher. Speech is a gray area. I know my employee handbook at my hospital has certain situations about what I do off the clock being able to get me in trouble or fired and there is language where speech can be a factor int hat. I do get the point in that officers should not be biased against any group of people in their jobs. However, I think that simply preaching wouldn't prove that your bias would affect your job. Yes, it does point to a dislike of gays, but without action I think that preaching doesn't necessarily count as proof. For example, I have a fellow nurse in the ER who has been very clear that she doesn't agree with homosexuality, but at the same time I have never seen her treat any of the homosexuals that come through the ER any differently than any patient. That is not something we can do in our jobs--we cannot treat anyone differently due to our own prejudices--we get all lifestyles, races, and religions, so not being able to forget that would make us people who don't belong in the job. I would say the same as officers.
As for whether I agree with his lawsuit, I don't really know. We are only getting his side of the story and he will make himself look blameless and like the victim. So I would have to make sure there aren't any other reasons he was passed up for promotions or pay raises before I make a decision. Pay raises and promotions aren't a right, but the reasoning I would have to know more fully since I wouldn't trust anyone to tell the full truth in a situation as this.
Show us WHERE it EVER says the family was offended and disrespected by what was said at the funeral. I for one would want the pastor at my funeral to speak from God's word! The very fact that this LA times story does not mention if the family was upset, was probably because they were not, and saying so would upset the overall them of this story that the Officer/Pastor was wrong.
The family wasn't mentioned, because it was not the point of the article. That doesn't mean they weren't upset. This sermon per se and whether it was appropriate was not the focus--the guy's lawsuit is, so whether the family was upset or not was really irrelevant to the whole story. I mean, what does the family have to do with whether he was discriminated against by the Police Department? Absolutely nothing!!! So no reason to put that in. Anyway, a funeral is not a place to bash homosexuals. I can think of plenty of passages in the Bible you can use while still having some respect for the grieving family.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 7/4/2008 10:41:24 PM
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Police officer sues LAPD and Los Angeles, alleging religious discrimination
While off duty, the sergeant, who also is a pastor, gave a speech in which he called homosexual acts an 'abomination.'
By Victoria Kim, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
July 2, 2008
The Los Angeles Police Department engaged in religious discrimination by disciplining an employee for off-duty remarks made about homosexual acts, an LAPD sergeant has alleged in a lawsuit filed against the city and the department.
In a fall 2006 eulogy delivered at a fellow officer's funeral, Sgt. Eric Holyfield, who also is a pastor, said homosexual acts were "sinful" and an "abomination" and would lead to condemnation in hell, or the "lake of fire," if one did not repent, according to a lawsuit he filed June 19 in Los Angeles County Superior Court.
After those comments, LAPD passed him up for promotions and pay raises in retaliation, Holyfield alleges in the suit, saying that he was discriminated against for his religion and that his 1st Amendment rights were violated.
Story continues
It is in very poor taste of him to preach about that at a funeral. That is almost as low as Fred Phelps and his crew picketing funerals. That shows blatant disrespect for the deceased and the family. If he wants to preach about homosexuality, do it at one of his Sunday sermons, since it says he is a preacher. Speech is a gray area. I know my employee handbook at my hospital has certain situations about what I do off the clock being able to get me in trouble or fired and there is language where speech can be a factor int hat. I do get the point in that officers should not be biased against any group of people in their jobs. However, I think that simply preaching wouldn't prove that your bias would affect your job. Yes, it does point to a dislike of gays, but without action I think that preaching doesn't necessarily count as proof. For example, I have a fellow nurse in the ER who has been very clear that she doesn't agree with homosexuality, but at the same time I have never seen her treat any of the homosexuals that come through the ER any differently than any patient. That is not something we can do in our jobs--we cannot treat anyone differently due to our own prejudices--we get all lifestyles, races, and religions, so not being able to forget that would make us people who don't belong in the job. I would say the same as officers.
As for whether I agree with his lawsuit, I don't really know. We are only getting his side of the story and he will make himself look blameless and like the victim. So I would have to make sure there aren't any other reasons he was passed up for promotions or pay raises before I make a decision. Pay raises and promotions aren't a right, but the reasoning I would have to know more fully since I wouldn't trust anyone to tell the full truth in a situation as this.
Show us WHERE it EVER says the family was offended and disrespected by what was said at the funeral. I for one would want the pastor at my funeral to speak from God's word! The very fact that this LA times story does not mention if the family was upset, was probably because they were not, and saying so would upset the overall them of this story that the Officer/Pastor was wrong.
The family wasn't mentioned, because it was not the point of the article. That doesn't mean they weren't upset. This sermon per se and whether it was appropriate was not the focus--the guy's lawsuit is, so whether the family was upset or not was really irrelevant to the whole story. I mean, what does the family have to do with whether he was discriminated against by the Police Department? Absolutely nothing!!! So no reason to put that in. Anyway, a funeral is not a place to bash homosexuals. I can think of plenty of passages in the Bible you can use while still having some respect for the grieving family.
And again we dont know WHAT the family felt. For all you know THEY could have APPROVED of this. As I said, most pastors out there TALK with the family about there sermon BEFORE they give it! This family asked HIM to give a sermon during the funeral. If THEY are not upset on what he said, what business is it of the LAPD to punish him for that? The family's responce is at the very HEART of this case!
Furthermore, there NEVER is a WRONG time to speak the TRUTH about what the bible says. And the simple fact is, is the bible condemns homosexuality.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 7/4/2008 10:43:19 PM
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Those are good reasons to not get promoted or get a pay raise. He should be thankful he was not demoted/fired/fined.
Based on what?
I already mentioned this: his disrespect for his peers and colleagues.
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Perhaps next time he wants to preach on homosexuality, he will choose a better venue than a fellow officer's funeral.
Perhaps some folks can never deal with the truth... Or is homosexuality not "sinful" and an "abomination" that would lead to condemnation in hell, or the "lake of fire," if one did not repent?
John
There is a time and a place to tell the truth. This was the wrong time and place.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 7/4/2008 10:45:25 PM
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Those are good reasons to not get promoted or get a pay raise. He should be thankful he was not demoted/fired/fined
He was not on duty or in uniform, it should have had no effect on his job at all. I dont think you would want what you do on your personal time to affect your employment would you?.
As a pastor, it does. It doesn't matter if I like it or not.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 7/4/2008 10:49:56 PM
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Hey PhunkD,
Did it ever occur to you that the fellow officers family KNEW what he was going to say and supported it? I know my pastors, and as a future pastor, most pastors actual TALK to the family about what they are going to speak on during the funeral. They ask the family if the deceased had a particular favorite passage of scripture, ask about the life they lead, ect.
That is how I choose scripture for a memorial service, but that is not what this man did. The article says that he believes God told him to do this.
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Notice that not once did this news article say that the family was upset on what he said. Truly, if they were, would that not have been printed? Knowing the LA Times, it would have.
So again, by all acounts, the family was not upset with the sermon. So what is the big deal?
At a funeral for an officer, fellow officers are almost always present. Even if the family told him specifically to say this, he is still responsible for his relationship with his peers.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 7/4/2008 10:53:46 PM
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Furthermore, there NEVER is a WRONG time to speak the TRUTH about what the bible says. And the simple fact is, is the bible condemns homosexuality.
I would disagree with this assertion, no matter how many caps you use.
But even if it were the right time, theologically speaking, that has no bearing on whether or not his officer chooses to promote him.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 7/4/2008 10:54:24 PM
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Police officer sues LAPD and Los Angeles, alleging religious discrimination
While off duty, the sergeant, who also is a pastor, gave a speech in which he called homosexual acts an 'abomination.'
By Victoria Kim, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
July 2, 2008
The Los Angeles Police Department engaged in religious discrimination by disciplining an employee for off-duty remarks made about homosexual acts, an LAPD sergeant has alleged in a lawsuit filed against the city and the department.
In a fall 2006 eulogy delivered at a fellow officer's funeral, Sgt. Eric Holyfield, who also is a pastor, said homosexual acts were "sinful" and an "abomination" and would lead to condemnation in hell, or the "lake of fire," if one did not repent, according to a lawsuit he filed June 19 in Los Angeles County Superior Court.
After those comments, LAPD passed him up for promotions and pay raises in retaliation, Holyfield alleges in the suit, saying that he was discriminated against for his religion and that his 1st Amendment rights were violated.
Story continues
It is in very poor taste of him to preach about that at a funeral. That is almost as low as Fred Phelps and his crew picketing funerals. That shows blatant disrespect for the deceased and the family. If he wants to preach about homosexuality, do it at one of his Sunday sermons, since it says he is a preacher. Speech is a gray area. I know my employee handbook at my hospital has certain situations about what I do off the clock being able to get me in trouble or fired and there is language where speech can be a factor int hat. I do get the point in that officers should not be biased against any group of people in their jobs. However, I think that simply preaching wouldn't prove that your bias would affect your job. Yes, it does point to a dislike of gays, but without action I think that preaching doesn't necessarily count as proof. For example, I have a fellow nurse in the ER who has been very clear that she doesn't agree with homosexuality, but at the same time I have never seen her treat any of the homosexuals that come through the ER any differently than any patient. That is not something we can do in our jobs--we cannot treat anyone differently due to our own prejudices--we get all lifestyles, races, and religions, so not being able to forget that would make us people who don't belong in the job. I would say the same as officers.
As for whether I agree with his lawsuit, I don't really know. We are only getting his side of the story and he will make himself look blameless and like the victim. So I would have to make sure there aren't any other reasons he was passed up for promotions or pay raises before I make a decision. Pay raises and promotions aren't a right, but the reasoning I would have to know more fully since I wouldn't trust anyone to tell the full truth in a situation as this.
Show us WHERE it EVER says the family was offended and disrespected by what was said at the funeral. I for one would want the pastor at my funeral to speak from God's word! The very fact that this LA times story does not mention if the family was upset, was probably because they were not, and saying so would upset the overall them of this story that the Officer/Pastor was wrong.
The family wasn't mentioned, because it was not the point of the article. That doesn't mean they weren't upset. This sermon per se and whether it was appropriate was not the focus--the guy's lawsuit is, so whether the family was upset or not was really irrelevant to the whole story. I mean, what does the family have to do with whether he was discriminated against by the Police Department? Absolutely nothing!!! So no reason to put that in. Anyway, a funeral is not a place to bash homosexuals. I can think of plenty of passages in the Bible you can use while still having some respect for the grieving family.
And again we dont know WHAT the family felt. For all you know THEY could have APPROVED of this. As I said, most pastors out there TALK with the family about there sermon BEFORE they give it! This family asked HIM to give a sermon during the funeral. If THEY are not upset on what he said, what business is it of the LAPD to punish him for that? The family's responce is at the very HEART of this case!
Furthermore, there NEVER is a WRONG time to speak the TRUTH about what the bible says. And the simple fact is, is the bible condemns homosexuality.
If it can be construed as being something that can bring down image of the LAPD, then they would have reason to go after him regardless of what the family thinks, even if they are card carrying members of Fred Phelps church and wanted homosexual bashing. Many employers have similar clauses--you do things outside of work that has the possibility of reflecting badly on the organization, then you open yourself up to retribution. They don't care really who it hurts, but whether it can hurt them. In an area where a homosexual population is high, then something like this could bring pressure from GLAAD, and all sorts of other groups against them. The LAPD already has kind of a bad reputation, so they probably saw him as some sort of threat and had to at least appear to not support him. Anyway, this is the last thing I will say about the family. You totally missed the whole point of my post and took it on a long tangent that I still contend is not relevant to the whole argument or what I was saying in my post.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 7/5/2008 10:00:53 AM
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And GLAAD doesn't have a worse reputation? An association of perverts being offended.... Why should we worry about their perverted worldview being challenged and called for what it is? That is Satan speaking through them.
Speaking out against evil is now considered worthy of being cause to be penalized at work. We are seeing the beginning of evil being called good and good being called evil just as it's prophesied.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 7/5/2008 10:02:57 AM
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ADF files suit disputing N.M. commission’s ruling against Christian photographer
Photo artist told to pay over $6,600 in attorneys’ fees for declining to photograph same-sex ceremony
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ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. — Attorneys with the Alliance Defense Fund filed suit in state court Tuesday to appeal a ruling by the New Mexico Civil Rights Commission against an Albuquerque photography company. The commission ruled that the company, run by a Christian husband and wife, was guilty of “sexual orientation” discrimination under state antidiscrimination laws for declining to photograph a same-sex “commitment ceremony.”
“Christians in the marketplace should not be penalized for abiding by their beliefs anymore than anyone else should,” said ADF Senior Counsel Jordan Lorence. “The Constitution prohibits the state from forcing unwilling people to promote a message they disagree with and thereby violate their conscience. The commission’s decision demonstrated stunning disregard for our client’s First Amendment rights.”
A same-sex couple asked Elaine Huguenin, co-owner with her husband, Jon Huguenin, of Elane Photography in Albuquerque, to photograph a “commitment ceremony” that the two women wanted to hold in Taos. Neither marriage nor civil unions are legal between members of the same sex in New Mexico.
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'Gay' McDonald's prompts boycott - 7/6/2008 3:28:16 PM
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AFA urges millions to shun fast-food giant over its promotion of same-sex marriage
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RE: 'Gay' McDonald's prompts boycott - 7/6/2008 3:38:27 PM
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 7/6/2008 3:40:36 PM
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I already mentioned this: his disrespect for his peers and colleagues.
In the line of duty?
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There is a time and a place to tell the truth. This was the wrong time and place.
Based on what? Bible teaching? The code of police burial rites? Or someone’s' aversion to the truth of homosexuality being preached?
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 7/6/2008 5:34:56 PM
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I already mentioned this: his disrespect for his peers and colleagues.
In the line of duty?
One is expected to maintain the proper relationships with one's co-workers inside and outside of the workplace.
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There is a time and a place to tell the truth. This was the wrong time and place.
Based on what? Bible teaching? The code of police burial rites? Or someone’s' aversion to the truth of homosexuality being preached?
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Based on Bible teaching and common standards of professional behavior.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 7/7/2008 12:58:52 AM
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One is expected to maintain the proper relationships with one's co-workers inside and outside of the workplace.
Vague... You are reaching... You could be in the NBA with that much reach...
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Based on Bible teaching and common standards of professional behavior.
What bible teaching are you (not) referring to?
As for common standards of professional behavior. that could be anything you want it to be...
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 7/7/2008 8:30:18 AM
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Really?
There are a number of things that I could do/say to one of my co-workers, while I am "off duty" that would get me fired. Why? Because I have to work with them.
There's a time for every purpose--Ecclesiastes.
As for "professional behavior" being anything that I wanted it to be--not quite. While it may be hard to say what it IS, it isn't hard to say what it's not.
Just for fun, I googled the phrase. This came up number one: http://www.grovewell.com/pub-usa-professional.html
I don't think the officer passed the test.
btw, why aren't you taking teh "Romans 13" path on this one? Or does that verse only apply to those with whom you disagree?
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 7/7/2008 2:01:06 PM
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Police officer sues LAPD and Los Angeles, alleging religious discrimination
While off duty, the sergeant, who also is a pastor, gave a speech in which he called homosexual acts an 'abomination.'
By Victoria Kim, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
July 2, 2008
The Los Angeles Police Department engaged in religious discrimination by disciplining an employee for off-duty remarks made about homosexual acts, an LAPD sergeant has alleged in a lawsuit filed against the city and the department.
In a fall 2006 eulogy delivered at a fellow officer's funeral, Sgt. Eric Holyfield, who also is a pastor, said homosexual acts were "sinful" and an "abomination" and would lead to condemnation in hell, or the "lake of fire," if one did not repent, according to a lawsuit he filed June 19 in Los Angeles County Superior Court.
After those comments, LAPD passed him up for promotions and pay raises in retaliation, Holyfield alleges in the suit, saying that he was discriminated against for his religion and that his 1st Amendment rights were violated.
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It will be an interesting case with some legal technicalities. Usually, an employer can discipline an employee for off-duty conduct that brings a negative reflection on the employer. His status as a pastor may not shield him given his well-known (to the audience) position with the police force.
However, the subsequence discrimination (if it is shown it happened) would not be considered a disciplinary act. But he must prove his case vs the LAPD showing he was passed over for performance reasons.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 7/7/2008 11:28:05 PM
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Really?
There are a number of things that I could do/say to one of my co-workers, while I am "off duty" that would get me fired. Why? Because I have to work with them.
And I wager 99.9% would entail breaking the law...
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There's a time for every purpose--Ecclesiastes.
That doesn't support your view since all one has to say is they believe it was the time...
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As for "professional behavior" being anything that I wanted it to be--not quite. While it may be hard to say what it IS, it isn't hard to say what it's not .
Weak...
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btw, why aren't you taking teh "Romans 13" path on this one? Or does that verse only apply to those with whom you disagree?
What "evil" did the person do in order for the state to act as God's minister of wrath for those who do evil?
In fact if the state is railing the person for speaking against homosexual the evil rests on the state and those who supports its actions...
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 7/8/2008 9:15:28 AM
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Alberta Pastor Convicted of Hate Speech Appeals Human Rights Commission Ruling
By John Jalsevac
July 7, 2008 (LifeSiteNews.com) - Alberta Pastor Steve Boissoin has filed an appeal to the Alberta Human Rights Tribunal ruling that convicted him of hate speech. The pastor was found guilty last November of having written a letter to the editor in the Red Deer Advocate that was "likely" to expose homosexuals to hatred.
The appeal was filed on June 26 with the Queen's Bench of Alberta. A hearing has preliminarily been set for September 9, although that date could change during negotiations between the involved parties. LifeSiteNews spoke with Boissoin's attorney, Gerald Chipeur, who said that he is confident that the court will grant the appeal and overturn the Alberta Human Rights Tribunal's decision.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 7/8/2008 9:18:51 AM
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Counties to Supreme Court on 'gay' marriage: Drop dead
Posted: July 07, 2008
9:45 pm Eastern
By Bob Unruh
© 2008 WorldNetDaily
At least two counties in California have begun reviewing a plan to uphold the state's laws regarding marriage as being between one man and one woman and disregard a state Supreme Court opinion that has yet to be implemented by the Legislature.
In the next step in the state's war over marriage – defined by voters as involving only one man and one woman and by the Supreme Court as two people of either gender – traditional marriage supporters will be attending the Kern County board of supervisors meeting tomorrow when the issue will be discussed.
In an alert from the Bakersfield Republican Assembly, officials suggested people "respectfully call the county supervisors and remind them that 80 percent of the voters in Kern County voted for Prop. 22 that defined marriage as between a man and a woman."
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 7/8/2008 9:32:44 AM
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defined by voters as involving only one man and one woman and by the Supreme Court as two people of either gender – traditional marriage supporters will be attending the Kern County board of supervisors meeting tomorrow when the issue will be discussed.
In an alert from the Bakersfield Republican Assembly, officials suggested people "respectfully call the county supervisors and remind them that 80 percent of the voters in Kern County voted for Prop. 22 that defined marriage as between a man and a woman."
ah, yes....the "voters"....
so, because voters "Voted" on something, and passed it, then that automatically should make it so? Period?
Or, does that only apply to the particular "agenda" that we want?
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