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RE: The One Stop Thread For All Things Benny Hinn - 11/26/2006 12:11:37 PM
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NZAmish
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The word false prophet springs to mind every time I hear his name.
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RE: The One Stop Thread For All Things Benny Hinn - 11/28/2006 6:00:02 PM
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The fact that the amount of these prophesies that actually came true is ZERO, NONE, ZILCH, NADA, means either of the following is a FACT:
1. God is a liar
2. Benny Hinn is a liar
HMMMM.......Which do you choose?
Deuteronomy 18:20-22 (NIV) 20 But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded him to say, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, must be put to death."
21 You may say to yourselves, "How can we know when a message has not been spoken by the LORD ?" 22 If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the LORD does not take place or come true, that is a message the LORD has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him.
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RE: The One Stop Thread For All Things Benny Hinn - 11/28/2006 9:59:01 PM
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At least he is open about asking for money. Most churches today just tell us it is expected to cough up money (10%) and then are not accountable for their spending. Wasting money in front of the public I think is far better than doing it behind closed doors...if there is such a form of honestly. Excuse my humor, but I think the majority of church miss use scripture and misuse the money according to the bible any way. Benny Hinn is just more open about it.
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RE: The One Stop Thread For All Things Benny Hinn - 11/28/2006 11:07:57 PM
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In response to the forwarded 'Benny Hinn wants an airplane' thread. Bennyhinn.org's desparate plea for donations to pay for his new gulfstream jet found HERE.
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"...At recent partners conferences I have talked about the cost to secure this state-of-the-art jet aircraft, the tool we must have for declaring the Gospel to the nations in this last hour, and the miracle the Lord has provided—Dove One, an aircraft that became available just as the door of opportunity began to close on aircrafts the ministry had previously been utilizing."
LOL... the tool we 'must' have for declaring the Gospel? Dang... if I had known that, I would have asked for one a long time ago! Tell it to the disciples who went out on foot, Mr. Hinn.
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As a result, we have recently taken delivery on our Gulfstream G4SP plane, which we call Dove One. I have enclosed a beautiful photo-filled brochure to explain more about this incredible ministry tool that will increase the scope of our abilities to preach the Gospel around the globe.
Yes... a beautiful, slick, full-color production which also cost needless amounts of cash and serves no other purpose than to get more money from the 'partners'.
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I know that as you obey the Lord, He will open heaven wide and cause a mighty harvest of blessings to descend upon your life and all that you do!
The 'promise': Mighty blessings of an ambiguous nature will rain down upon you... hurrah for you!
The manipulation and the hook: NOT contributing to the purchase of a multi-million dollar gulfstream jet means you are disobeying the Lord... shame on you!
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In Isaiah 6:8 the Lord asks, "Whom shall I send, and who will go for us?" Long ago I said, "I will go, Lord. Send me!" But I cannot do it without you, nor can I do all our wonderful Lord has called me to do without Dove One!
God has called Mr. Hinn to do so much that a luxurious gulfstream jet is required? Rumor has it that many airlines such as United, British Airways, Lufthansa, and Delta [to name just a few] provide flights all over the world. And apparently they even have flight schedules to accomodate the very busiest of travelers. What an amazing modern world we live in!
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Dear Partner, I am counting on you. Will you help me take the Gospel to the nations with your Dove One gift of $1,000 or more?
Let me think. Uhhh... no.
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RE: The One Stop Thread For All Things Benny Hinn - 11/28/2006 11:19:45 PM
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Benny Hinn wants us to buy him an airplane - oops looks like ya found it hehe :) please check this link below to a personal message from him - part of it reads as follows -
"...At recent partners conferences I have talked about the cost to secure this
state-of-the-art jet aircraft, the tool we must have for declaring the Gospel to the nations in this last hour, and the miracle the Lord has provided—Dove One, an aircraft that became available just as the door of opportunity began to close on aircrafts the ministry had previously been utilizing. And at these partners conferences, I was able to raise the first portion of the down payment, which was another miracle the Lord has provided us..."
https://www.bennyhinn.org/donate/donatenow.cfm?referrer=na_dove1&CFID=27793851&CFTOKEN=61366503
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RE: The One Stop Thread For All Things Benny Hinn - 11/29/2006 7:29:40 AM
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None of that should be a suprise.
I'm sure every time he boards that "blessing from God", he'll raise a glass of Dom Perrigon, and toast all the naive lemmings that he extorted money from.
He makes me want to VOMIT! The spirit in me prays that he'll realize his evil ways and repent. The flesh in me wishes otherwise.
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RE: The One Stop Thread For All Things Benny Hinn - 12/4/2006 11:20:05 AM
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Yes he also must have it. My, Paul need it to back in his missionary journeys or was that a decked out chariot.
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RE: The One Stop Thread For All Things Benny Hinn - 12/10/2006 12:13:39 AM
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Benny Hinnduism, but that's an insult to Hindus.
It's just amazing all the craziness that has come from these American 19th-20th century charismatic and fundamentalist heresies.
Mormonism - 1830s America
Jehovah Witnesses - 1840's America
British Israelism - 19th Century America/England
Oneness Pentecostalim - 1900s America
White Supremacy "Christianity" - 19th Century America
Unity - 19/20th Century America
Word of Faith 20th Century America
Christian Science - 19th Century America
I know I didn't get them all, there are a few more, and those are undoubtedly all in America. the only one that isn't is the Bahai faith.
Am I the only one here that sees that the Western "enlightenment" period caused a lot of self delusional people to take their delusions of grandeur overboard? Who here would seriously take any of these religions if they had been started in the middle of Africa? No one. But because the founder was an American, guess what happens, they go all over the world teaching their nonsense with "authority". Makes me sick to my stomach.
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RE: The One Stop Thread For All Things Benny Hinn - 12/10/2006 12:24:07 AM
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Since when did Benny Hinn become a prophet? Is he aware of this?
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RE: The One Stop Thread For All Things Benny Hinn - 12/10/2006 12:30:45 AM
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zaphnathpaaneah- Welcome to the forum!
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I know I didn't get them all...
Seventh Day Adventism
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Am I the only one here that sees that the Western "enlightenment" period caused a lot of self delusional people to take their delusions of grandeur overboard?
Nope.
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RE: The One-Stop Thread For All Things Benny Hinn - 12/10/2006 1:45:51 AM
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Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
Matthew 7:22-23
Then I watched the show and found that I thought he was pretty self-promoting, and really didn't agree with alot of the things he did. He seemed shady to me, and like he had something to hide. BUT, only God can know the true heart of a man, and a friend's mother came to Christ at a Benny Hinn conference, so it's a tricky subject I'd say. But you won't be seeing me signing up for any Benny Hinn conferences or reading his books anytime soon.
That is so the truth. I know a lot people won't agree with me for the sake of being compromising, but Benny Hinn makes me nervous. All the Word of Faith Ministers make me nervous....oops...I just made a lot of enemies! I actually went to TD Jakes Church once and he said that he was going to write his own bible, God would leave you and on his tithing envelopes he had the tithe, offering and first fruit as giving requirements. Isn't your first fruit apart of your tithe....hmmm??
I remember when i first watched his show. I was strangely drawn to him, his voice, his mannerisms. for some reason, I still cannot explain it, I felt some strange emotional attraction to him, as if whatever he said would make me happy and i could trust him. I knew then i was being manipulated, because he was not doing or saying anything that stood out. I just felt that he was so "good". It was then that I knew i was being mesmerized and manipulated. I am certain if I went to one of his concerts I would fall on the floor fromone of his slain in the spirit routines, or get a feeling of rapture from his cataphonic hyped up musical numbers. But thats how I know that there is somthing wrong. God's presence would cause me to trust Him because I know God. From that trust I would find comfort. The devil causes one to feel good first then a person erroneously trusts because of that feeling. I know better. i don't "feel comforted" by a man or woman and then trust them for that reason. I look at what they are doing. For all I know, Hinn was using some mesmerizing influences or some subliminal influences to work into my subconscious. Nothing he SAID earned my trust. Nothing he has DONE has earned my trust. So what would cause me to be looking at him on TV acting like I just met the angel of light???
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RE: The One Stop Thread For All Things Benny Hinn - 12/10/2006 1:56:40 AM
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Since when did Benny Hinn become a prophet? Is he aware of this?
yes he is, allow me to quote him:
On April 2nd 2000 Benny Hinn said that jesus would physically appear on stage in Nairobi Kenya.
"now hear this, I am prophesying this! Jesus Christ, the Son of God, is about to appear physically in some churches, and some meetings, and to many of His people, for one reason - to tell you He is about to show up! "
Now, you all know how much I hate exploitation of black people. Somehow these Kenyans managed to come up with a few million dollars to 'donate' to this [expletive deleted].
"Listen, listen. I know whether anybody had a vision or not, I am hearing it from the Lord. I am hearing it from the Lord right this minute, as I am standing here. I am hearing from the Holy Spirit that a change is coming. A mighty change - Yes Lord thank you. Yes Lord thank you. I am just hearing the Lord tell me when."
"March 3rd. I just heard March 3rd in my ears. What's March 3rd? What day is that? We don't know. I don't know what March 3rd what day that, that would, would be. I am not sure where I would be. I don't know what crusade or service or maybe I am not anywhere, but I am, I am hearing the Lord say that to me. Lift your hands and thank Him ladies and gentlemen. Lift your hands and thank Him ladies and gentlemen. God is sending a mighty - breath, a fresh wind upon - it's a Monday - a fresh wind upon your life."
-- Benny Hinn, December 29th, 2002
"The Spirit tells me - Fidel Castro will die - in the 90's. Oooh my! Some will try to kill him and they will not succeed. But there will come a change in his physical health, and he will not stay in power, and Cuba will be visited of God." - Orlando Christian Center, Dec. 31st, 1989.
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RE: The One Stop Thread For All Things Benny Hinn - 12/11/2006 12:03:50 PM
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Do you all guys think that his crusades are fake? I have never been to his ministries and I have only heard of his luxurious wage.
So you think he is not Christian at all and everything is a show?
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RE: The One Stop Thread For All Things Benny Hinn - 12/11/2006 12:55:25 PM
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"now hear this, I am prophesying this! Jesus Christ, the Son of God, is about to appear physically in some churches, and some meetings, and to many of His people, for one reason - to tell you He is about to show up! "
"Listen, listen. I know whether anybody had a vision or not, I am hearing it from the Lord. I am hearing it from the Lord right this minute, as I am standing here. I am hearing from the Holy Spirit that a change is coming. A mighty change - ."
WELL YES, since God is everywhere, he is partly true.
And on the 2nd point, of course, change happens everyday in regular things.. so he is partly true on that.
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I will extol Thee, my God, O King, and I will bless Thy name forever and ever. Great is the Lord and greatly to be praised, and His greatness is unsearchable" (Psalm 145: 1 & 3)
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RE: The One Stop Thread For All Things Benny Hinn - 12/11/2006 1:48:24 PM
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WELL YES, since God is everywhere, he is partly true.
If you read his "prophesy" carefully, he said that Jesus would appear PHYSICALLY.
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And on the 2nd point, of course, change happens everyday in regular things.. so he is partly true on that.
The Bible that I read says that "Prophets" and their prophesies have to be 100% correct, not PARTIALLY true.
As I've said before, based on the fact that NONE of the prophesies he claims came from the Lord have ever come true, it means one of the following:
1. Benny Hinn is a LIAR
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2. God is a LIAR
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RE: The One Stop Thread For All Things Benny Hinn - 12/11/2006 2:26:22 PM
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soxfan - well Jesus is present in us, and we are physically here, so that could be true!
HAHA Im really stretching it here :)
You know Jesus said NO ONE knows the exact day , only the Father.
I just think benny has a HUGE EGO and a lot of ((guts))) to say what he says and get away with it. (I'd use the other word but it would be a bad word)
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RE: The One Stop Thread For All Things Benny Hinn - 12/11/2006 2:47:54 PM
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Just for the sake of this debate...I knew a kid named Dustin. one year at youth camp, he ended up being in our room. We had never met him before, but he hung out with us that week and such. My dad actually was our counselor that year. My dad had a special heart for Dustin. Dustin did not have a good home life, and although he wanted to believe in God, he had trouble accepting it. One night at camp, my dad was talking and praying with him, and my dad said to him something along the lines of saying "If you truly want to know if God exists, and you truly seek Him, you will find Him."
That being said, Dustin wanted a little alone time to pray, and to question God. He went out onto the docks, stood there, and cried out to God "If you are real, let me know!"
Then, what he saw was Jesus, walking on the water in front of him. Now, I don't know exactly what went on...I wasn't on that dock...but to him, it was as real and as physical as anything else. It was plain as day, and at that moment he gave his heart to Christ, the man that appeared, physically, before him.
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RE: The One Stop Thread For All Things Benny Hinn - 12/11/2006 4:24:52 PM
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zaphnathpaaneah
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Do you all guys think that his crusades are fake? I have never been to his ministries and I have only heard of his luxurious wage.
So you think he is not Christian at all and everything is a show?
YES! He is fake. Look at what he did in Kenya! That alone should tell you. He fleeced the poorest of the poor and violated a comandment from Jesus blatently! How much more would one need to be considered fake?
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RE: The One Stop Thread For All Things Benny Hinn - 12/11/2006 4:26:48 PM
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zaphnathpaaneah
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"now hear this, I am prophesying this! Jesus Christ, the Son of God, is about to appear physically in some churches, and some meetings, and to many of His people, for one reason - to tell you He is about to show up! "
"Listen, listen. I know whether anybody had a vision or not, I am hearing it from the Lord. I am hearing it from the Lord right this minute, as I am standing here. I am hearing from the Holy Spirit that a change is coming. A mighty change - ."
WELL YES, since God is everywhere, he is partly true.
And on the 2nd point, of course, change happens everyday in regular things.. so he is partly true on that.
Aaaa! YOu see how people bend over backwards to give a liar the benefit of a doubt? This is such a 21st century western philosophical problem. I can lie to you in your face, and you will do everything you can to make my lie seemed true. He said Jesus would PHYSICALLY APPEAR! And even if he didn't, he spoke of jesus appearing in a particular specific fashion, not in a "general" way. Why do people make such effort? Stop that. Please?
I dont mean you personally socks, i just mean the concept. People don't step back and say, wait, this isn't the spirit or the intention of Jesus. They just play devil's advocate mr relativism everything means everything games.
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RE: The One Stop Thread For All Things Benny Hinn - 12/11/2006 4:34:18 PM
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zaphnathpaaneah
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Well, see this is like tongues. He had a personal experience. He saw an image of Jesus walking, and to him that was real. But he should not go around telling people that this is how we get to be saved, or come to know Christ. When I was at my spiritual wit's end, i was very very dissappointed that my relationship with Jesus seemed so dead-end and I thought this whole christian experience was just too etheral to be trustworthy...I myself have had a couple of dreams. I prefer not to detail them, because I believe there are some personal things about me and God that should not be shown off. Now for me, that was extremely real, very detailed, it was very much what I had been looking for. But I also know that the "realness" of it is partly due to my own desire for something and also possibly God's way of responding to me. I could tell you with certainity that God was talking to me, responding to my concerns in such a way there was no doubt. At the same time I have to respect that this is not a process which is to be expected or justified biblically. Therefore I dont tell people to expect a dream someday in order to get saved or to experience the power of the Holy Spirit or whatever. I may be the only person, or maybe every other Christian experiences this. It doesnt matter, because it's God's perogative. For all I know it may have just been my own attempt to find closure, it was after all, a dream.
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ORIGINAL: 1love1God1way
Just for the sake of this debate...I knew a kid named Dustin. one year at youth camp, he ended up being in our room. We had never met him before, but he hung out with us that week and such. My dad actually was our counselor that year. My dad had a special heart for Dustin. Dustin did not have a good home life, and although he wanted to believe in God, he had trouble accepting it. One night at camp, my dad was talking and praying with him, and my dad said to him something along the lines of saying "If you truly want to know if God exists, and you truly seek Him, you will find Him."
That being said, Dustin wanted a little alone time to pray, and to question God. He went out onto the docks, stood there, and cried out to God "If you are real, let me know!"
Then, what he saw was Jesus, walking on the water in front of him. Now, I don't know exactly what went on...I wasn't on that dock...but to him, it was as real and as physical as anything else. It was plain as day, and at that moment he gave his heart to Christ, the man that appeared, physically, before him.
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RE: The One Stop Thread For All Things Benny Hinn - 12/11/2006 4:40:58 PM
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Zeph - I hope you know Im kidding about believing ol benny :) I would not even give 2 cents to him even if Jesus appeared in person and told me to do it.
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RE: The One Stop Thread For All Things Benny Hinn - 12/11/2006 5:14:21 PM
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zaphnathpaaneah
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yea I know. Look i get passionate for the readers sake, not really to debate a poster to death. Im not considered a good christian example in some areas (i willingly engage in premaritial sex) but I do not, I repeat i do NOT discourage people from holding on to their commitment or ideals to God. I will back away from a woman who says that she's remaining celibate for God, i wont try to change her mind or use benny hinn tactics to unravel her. I COULD, but i dont. You see? Benny Hinn's ministry and many of these churches, they interfere with our relationship with God and put themselves as a mediator between us and Christ. It's like cheating, only im obvioulsy not talking about sex, im talking about the eomtional significance. Like sex, we put something else, another being before God and worship that and say "oh im just worshipping god through that". Catholics do it with Mary and the Saints, Protestants do it with tongues, church leaders, televangelists...
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Zeph - I hope you know Im kidding about believing ol benny :) I would not even give 2 cents to him even if Jesus appeared in person and told me to do it.
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RE: The One Stop Thread For All Things Benny Hinn - 12/11/2006 5:50:59 PM
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ZAPH -hmm well we could learn something from these folks - we can learn what NOT to do. I guess also if you were unscrupulous, you could learn how to take advantage from people,, or even fleece the poorest of the poor and not have a conscience.. yep you could learn this from ol benny.
I wonder, just wonder if the backlash from all these fakers will one day backfire on these dudes, and one day true followers of Christ will get up and protest so that they will go out of business.. Any ideas?
((ps,, hey you get a slap on the wrist for your .... ya know ..... problem ;) Hey but what a testimony you will have when you overcome,,,, if you want to overcome! :) ha! nothing could be worse than what I was doing not too long ago which i never told anyone here about.
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I will extol Thee, my God, O King, and I will bless Thy name forever and ever. Great is the Lord and greatly to be praised, and His greatness is unsearchable" (Psalm 145: 1 & 3)
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