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RE: Let's get a discussion going on Oneness Pentecostal... - 12/11/2006 6:16:28 AM
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zaphnathpaaneah
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Oneness Pentecostal. The church I grew up in. The church my mom took me out of because she was concerned about my well being. The church that I am concerned about my son being raised in.
What do they teach?
Firstly - the exclude the vast majority of Christian churches in communion with each other, thus they become a very small fringe group convinced that they and they alone
are saved. (cult)
Secondly - They reject the CONCEPT of the trinity. They erronenously accuse Trinitarians of worshipping the trinity and ignore that Christians simply acknowledge God as he reveals himself in the Biblle "I, you, he". (Modalism)
Thirdly - They mistakenly call God "Jesus" (even in the old testament) instead of Yahweh. Jesus name originally is "Yahweh Shua" and thus "IN JESUS NAME" you see God's name, Yahweh. Oneness Pentecostals ignore this. (Patripassianism)
Fourthly - They require the use of tongues to confirm salvation. (monatism)
Fifthly - They rely on legalism to remain saved. (jewish)
Sixthly - They regard tongues as something to evoke, like by repeating a word over and over until your tongue gets tied. (Mysticism)
Seventhly - They use hypnotic repetitive music to create a tongue cacophony in their service. (paganistic ritual)
Eightly - They interpret "the gift of the holy spirit" to be "tongues" instead of correctly seeing that the gift IS the holy spirit. (heresy)
Ninthly - They equate "being" to mean "person" (like equiting fruit to mean apple). (philosophical error)
tenthly - they teach that there are two jesuses, one human and another divine (Nestorianism)
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RE: Let's get a discussion going on Oneness Pentecostal... - 12/11/2006 6:21:13 AM
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Thus, without acknowledging it, t"Oneness" denies that God suffered death on the cross for the forgiveness of our sins. They believe the human body the Father indwelt was all that died on the cross, they deny the Christian belief that the Son of God died on the cross for the forgiveness of sin hey deny that the Son is the Son of God
DO YOU HAVE IT ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL WRONG............lol i am upc and know that these statments are wrong lol sheesh get the facts we do believe that JESUS is the son of God and yes we do believe He died on the cross for the forgiveness of all sins, and as to the name hm the scripture even says it is the name above all names dont it lol hmmmmmm ............ we do call on that name bc after all it is HIS namequote:
No, you didn't misunderstand your friend. The UPCI really believes that "in jesus name"is a magic incantation that guarantees salvation when accompanied by babbling in an unknown language Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
.....oh brother we dont deny the I am sheesh again your so wrong
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when accompanied by babbling in an unknown language And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues. Thank you Jesus for your name the name above all names That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; OH HOW I LOVE THAT NAME ................ !
Yes, nice. Anyway. here is the problem, the Bible says they shall speak with new tongues, not speak in babbling. Ok, in addition, the name Jesus is not used ONE time in the old testament to describe God or God's name. Yahweh is about 100 times. Yahweh literally is in the name of Yahshua (Jesus). "In Jesus name" is Yahweh. You can be as fanatical and as emotional and dramatic as you wish. Muslims love the name Allah, Mormons love the name Elohim, and so forth. The BIBLE says in Exodus "My name is YAHWEH, this is my name for all generations. Tell the hebrews that Yahweh sent you, Moses"
When God says "My name is Yahweh" and you still go around saying "Jesus is god's name"... explain something. how could one thus say to you in such a way you would know "my name is Yahweh" if saying "My name is Yahweh" is not enough?
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RE: Let's get a discussion going on Oneness Pentecostal... - 12/11/2006 6:25:19 AM
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And all the while Oneness Pentecostals rely on a translation of the Bible instituted entirely by Trinitarian scholars. The King james Bible. Not only do they rely on it, but they almost vehemently are King James Onlyists (just like many other cults are,)
One Oneness replied to me saying "Oh that's because God was able to preserve his great oneness truth despite the translations by the trinitarians of the King James Bible"
and in typical oneness fashion, he tries to convince himself that this nonsense is true with your usual Oneness exultation at the end of an illogical sentance
"Oh how great the power of God is to overcome this!"
Kind of funny that virtually NO one was Oneness for 300 years after the first publication of the Trinitarian King James Bible. Funnier still that it was a sermon about a vision and direct commandment from God by a Pentecostal minister (R.E. McAlister or Seymour) that started the Oneness movement. No actual revelation through scripture, just "God told me in a vision!"
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RE: Let's get a discussion going on Oneness Pentecostal... - 12/13/2006 5:49:57 PM
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would seem that the site posted in BASHING oneness hm......... when one kicks against the ****s would seem they are fearing the subject....... hm makes one or the oneness people wonder dont it lol .......... hmmmmm........ lets us not forget that even Jesus said He and His father are ONE ........hm...... and for me that nuff said on the subject.
I believe Jesus was referring to being in one mind and purpose with the father, in like manner I have three parts soul.spirit , body that work together
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RE: Let's get a discussion going on Oneness Pentecostal... - 12/14/2006 9:29:45 AM
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Please make sure that in the discussion does not drift into a debate: there is no way to debate that Oneness Pentecostalism is right
EXACTLY! you know, that is the perfect reason why there will never be one right answer to a lot of these kind of debates. its so true.
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RE: Let's get a discussion going on Oneness Pentecostal... - 12/19/2006 9:11:28 AM
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Superduck77
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so question to yall.................... WHY are you bashing this faith, hm.. do we scare you that bad? you dont see me bashing trinity do you no bc i respect your faith WHY dont you respect mine hm....... United pentecostal people are sweet kind and lovig just as you are but then again............ you dont seem to nice really........ :(
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RE: Let's get a discussion going on Oneness Pentecostal... - 12/19/2006 1:13:31 PM
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so question to yall.................... WHY are you bashing this faith, hm.. do we scare you that bad? you dont see me bashing trinity do you no bc i respect your faith WHY dont you respect mine hm....... United pentecostal people are sweet kind and lovig just as you are but then again............ you dont seem to nice really........ :(
1. Telling the truth is not bashing.
2. False doctrine does not scare me or anyone else.
3. I may repect your right to be wrong, but I do not have to agree with it.
4. Being sweet and loving has nothing to do with what is or is not true.
5. Neither does "seeming" to be nice.
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RE: Let's get a discussion going on Oneness Pentecostal... - 12/19/2006 4:27:43 PM
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Superduck77
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1. Telling the truth is not bashing.
2. False doctrine does not scare me or anyone else.
3. I may repect your right to be wrong, but I do not have to agree with it.
4. Being sweet and loving has nothing to do with what is or is not true.
5. Neither does "seeming" to be nice.
LOL.................. oh but you see it is.
1. Telling truth is not bashing......hm..... quote:
well i did finally get my neighbor to open up a bit more and he did say he does not believe in the trinity that its steeped in pagan tradition and teaching and you might as well say that god is a three headed monster revealed as three seperate gods
A monster no way is this beautiful God a monster
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far fetched
have you never read "touch not my anointed and do my servants no harm" now i am not saying that upc is the almighty servants................LOL nope all who follow Christ Jesus are the babtist, the catholics, the trinties !
Telling truth is speaking on the word.
2 False doctrine doesnt scare..........wow it does me bc of the souls, that wont walk in glory, and Jesus teaches us to beware them. hmmmm
3 i respect your right to be wrong, but i dont have to agree with it........oh but you see i know you dont respect, no you dont why this whole thread PROVES that.... and no you dont have to believe nor agree with it, i dont expect you to... nor will i shove it down your throat.
4 being sweet and loving has nothing to do with what is true.........oh my it does John 13:35 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another. I LOVE YOU
5 neither does "seeming" to be nice. i beg to differ......... 2 peter 1:5-8 5 And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge; 6 And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness; 7 And to godliness brotherly kindness;(Kindness is being nice) and to brotherly kindness charity. 8 For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
thru love and kindness i hug you all {{{{{{{{{{{{{ Chatters}}}}}}}}}}}}} God Bless You
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For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. 1 John 5
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RE: Let's get a discussion going on Oneness Pentecostal... - 12/19/2006 4:50:01 PM
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1. Telling truth is not bashing......hm..... quote:
well i did finally get my neighbor to open up a bit more and he did say he does not believe in the trinity that its steeped in pagan tradition and teaching and you might as well say that god is a three headed monster revealed as three seperate gods
A monster no way is this beautiful God a monster
Huh?
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have you never read "touch not my anointed and do my servants no harm" now i am not saying that upc is the almighty servants................LOL nope all who follow Christ Jesus are the babtist, the catholics, the trinties !
Yes, it's a misuse of scripture that I (and others) have cleared up many times. Perhaps you would be so kind as to study the context to keep from using it in error any longer.
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2 False doctrine doesnt scare..........wow it does me bc of the souls, that wont walk in glory, and Jesus teaches us to beware them. hmmmm
Doctrine is teaching. False teaching does not scare me. The results might be scary, but I'm sure you know this anyway....hmmmm
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3 i respect your right to be wrong, but i dont have to agree with it........oh but you see i know you dont respect, no you dont why this whole thread PROVES that.... and no you dont have to believe nor agree with it, i dont expect you to... nor will i shove it down your throat.
Oh, you know I don't respect you because I don't agree with you. This whole exchange proves nothing except you prefer to fill your sentence stuctures with "....hmmmm..."
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4 being sweet and loving has nothing to do with what is true.........oh my it does John 13:35 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another. I LOVE YOU
I love you as well, but it still has nothing to do with what is true. Lost people love what is false, but love does not make it true. You also use this scripture out of context.
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5 neither does "seeming" to be nice. i beg to differ......... 2 peter 1:5-8 5 And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge; 6 And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness; 7 And to godliness brotherly kindness;(Kindness is being nice) and to brotherly kindness charity. 8 For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Another scripture used out of context. If you will notice it is the behavio - oh, nevermind.
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thru love and kindness i hug you all {{{{{{{{{{{{{ Chatters}}}}}}}}}}}}} God Bless You
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RE: Let's get a discussion going on Oneness Pentecostal... - 12/19/2006 5:11:23 PM
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2 False doctrine doesnt scare..........wow it does me bc of the souls, that wont walk in glory, and Jesus teaches us to beware them. hmmmm
You might fear that Jesus is not powerful enough, but I know that:
Matthew 16:18
18"I also say to you that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build My church; and the gates of Hades will not overpower it.
The Church will not be overcome by any evil power, including false doctrine. I strive to fear only God. I do not fear false doctrine.
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4 being sweet and loving has nothing to do with what is true.........oh my it does John 13:35 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another. I LOVE YOU
Love "does not rejoice in unrighteousness, but rejoices with the truth;", Love insists that "certain men not to teach strange doctrines," (1Tim 1:3), Love builds men up so that that "so that he will be able both to exhort in sound doctrine and to refute those who contradict." (Titus 1:9). Love does not sit back and let lies be told about God.
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5 neither does "seeming" to be nice. i beg to differ......... 2 peter 1:5-8 5 And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge; 6 And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness; 7 And to godliness brotherly kindness;(Kindness is being nice) and to brotherly kindness charity. 8 For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
It is not kindness to remain silent when false doctrine is being taught. Salvation hinges on faith in the Son of God. Modalism/"oneness" rejects the Son of God, so it would not be kind to allow modalism to be taught unopposed.
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RE: Let's get a discussion going on Oneness Pentecostal... - 12/19/2006 11:42:07 PM
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I am a Pentecost. And I was rised in this. And my church does belielve in speaking with other tongues. And we don't put down other people religion. All we do is go by the bible, the KJV, and live by it. All us ladies wears dresses and skirts and shirts that is decent and all the men wear pants and decent shirts. And if you would like for me to give you some oneness bible veres then I will be more than happy to. And I personaly don't put people down because they may or may not believe the same way I do.
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so question to yall.................... WHY are you bashing this faith, hm.. do we scare you that bad? you dont see me bashing trinity do you no bc i respect your faith WHY dont you respect mine hm....... United pentecostal people are sweet kind and lovig just as you are but then again............ you dont seem to nice really........ :(
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RE: Let's get a discussion going on Oneness Pentecostal... - 12/20/2006 9:40:02 AM
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I am a Pentecost. And I was rised in this. And my church does belielve in speaking with other tongues. And we don't put down other people religion. All we do is go by the bible, the KJV, and live by it. All us ladies wears dresses and skirts and shirts that is decent and all the men wear pants and decent shirts. And if you would like for me to give you some oneness bible veres then I will be more than happy to. And I personaly don't put people down because they may or may not believe the same way I do.
Well you really do not love anyone other than your own do you? Either that or you do not really believe what your church teaches: that if someone is baptized in the name of Father Son and Holy Spirit they are going to hell. period.
You see all these people around you that attend trinitarian churches and have been baptized with the trinitarian formula and think they are saved but are in a car speeding toward a cliff and you have the chance to tell them to stop and avoid the crash at the end. You are doing nothing. That tells me you really want them to die.
That is why we speak so harshly at the false doctrines such as modalism. We see your insistance on formulations like "Jesus Only" to be problematic at best and leading people to hell at worst. We are yelling at your car to stop before you plunge over that cliff to your own destruction.
If we were not concerned we would say nothing.
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RE: Let's get a discussion going on Oneness Pentecostal... - 12/20/2006 5:52:58 PM
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Well you really do not love anyone other than your own do you? Either that or you do not really believe what your church teaches: that if someone is baptized in the name of Father Son and Holy Spirit they are going to hell. period.
Oh how funny, so NOT TRUE, we love ALL PEOPLE , in fact I went to live 9 months with a lady that is on this chat line and dearly love her, in fact we just had a phone confo , lol and i call her my bestest friend lol you so funny davew, the love we have is unconditional, like i said in a earlier post I LOVE ALL OF YOU.
Ya know dave tis the same for us, we are also yelling at your car, brother dave, all of our goals is to get to Heaven, amen, and it is my prayer ,that you are there with me worshipping the God of gods also, I dont look at you, or any other trinitarian, with discust, and or, they are going to hell, and or ew, NO WAY dave.
When i look at you ,or any other person that is not of my faith, i dont see, wrongness, naw and i dont say, oh my your going to hell , naw i see a fellow human being, that is in pursuit of love, joy, happiness, peace, understanding, etc.... i have many friends on this chat ,some that i sat in thieir homes, and dave, one of those trinitarians layd his hands on me in prayer, and dave it was wow, speaking in tongues etc...his God was there as well as Jesus, see dave I LOVE ALL PEOPLE, well even the pagans too, which we have been called in this every thread, sighs..........
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RE: Let's get a discussion going on Oneness Pentecostal... - 12/21/2006 4:29:17 AM
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Oh that's just so sweet. Makes me forget how self-righteous the Oneness Pentecostal experience is. The whole notion that they somehow 'figured' out the true way to heaven while for the past, what, 1500 years, just about every one was lost. Then one day R.E. McAlister and Seymour, they just got this revelation in Azuza!
The whole concept of being a small struggling beacon of truth, that has been used by the Mormons already. They wear that whole "we are the true Christian minority in a sea of overwhelming odds, so God must be on our side."
Yes, i understand your personal ability to love, but you also say "Get to heaven". You can't GET TO HEAVEN. There is no "Getting".
I don't care how it's worded Oneness Pentecostalism ultimately goes to a have vs have-nots. "I'm getting to heaven, what about you? You not speaking in tongues, oh you poor poor thing. I love you, but you're still going to hell. So sad."
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Well you really do not love anyone other than your own do you? Either that or you do not really believe what your church teaches: that if someone is baptized in the name of Father Son and Holy Spirit they are going to hell. period.
Oh how funny, so NOT TRUE, we love ALL PEOPLE , in fact I went to live 9 months with a lady that is on this chat line and dearly love her, in fact we just had a phone confo , lol and i call her my bestest friend lol you so funny davew, the love we have is unconditional, like i said in a earlier post I LOVE ALL OF YOU.
Ya know dave tis the same for us, we are also yelling at your car, brother dave, all of our goals is to get to Heaven, amen, and it is my prayer ,that you are there with me worshipping the God of gods also, I dont look at you, or any other trinitarian, with discust, and or, they are going to hell, and or ew, NO WAY dave.
When i look at you ,or any other person that is not of my faith, i dont see, wrongness, naw and i dont say, oh my your going to hell , naw i see a fellow human being, that is in pursuit of love, joy, happiness, peace, understanding, etc.... i have many friends on this chat ,some that i sat in thieir homes, and dave, one of those trinitarians layd his hands on me in prayer, and dave it was wow, speaking in tongues etc...his God was there as well as Jesus, see dave I LOVE ALL PEOPLE, well even the pagans too, which we have been called in this every thread, sighs..........
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RE: Let's get a discussion going on Oneness Pentecostal... - 12/21/2006 4:33:17 AM
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Mormons are the nicest people in the world. Almost makes you forget how they were started. Same thing with O.P. they started with R.E. McAlister taking a Pentecostal experience too far, going into his own analytical self-help delusions, and a vision from god in a dream or whatever. They helped undo whatever positive things were being done from Pentecostalism (the reduction of racism), but in the end, I blame Pentecostalism itself, becasue the way it was instituted from 1906 onwards, it took the Biblicality out of it, replaced it with some metaphysical/self-help-guru stuff and called THAT biblical... of course by doing some very intricate philosophical analogies to Biblical passages.
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so question to yall.................... WHY are you bashing this faith, hm.. do we scare you that bad? you dont see me bashing trinity do you no bc i respect your faith WHY dont you respect mine hm....... United pentecostal people are sweet kind and lovig just as you are but then again............ you dont seem to nice really........ :(
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RE: Let's get a discussion going on Oneness Pentecostal... - 12/21/2006 2:24:44 PM
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Ya know dave tis the same for us, we are also yelling at your car, brother dave, all of our goals is to get to Heaven, amen, and it is my prayer ,that you are there with me worshipping the God of gods also, I dont look at you, or any other trinitarian, with discust, and or, they are going to hell, and or ew, NO WAY dave.
You don't even know what your own church is teaching, do you? The position of UPCI, indeed all "oneness" churches, is that those who believe in the trinity are worshipping a false God and are going to hell.
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RE: Let's get a discussion going on Oneness Pentecostal... - 12/21/2006 3:56:05 PM
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Ya know dave tis the same for us, we are also yelling at your car, brother dave, all of our goals is to get to Heaven, amen, and it is my prayer ,that you are there with me worshipping the God of gods also, I dont look at you, or any other trinitarian, with discust, and or, they are going to hell, and or ew, NO WAY dave.
You don't even know what your own church is teaching, do you? The position of UPCI, indeed all "oneness" churches, is that those who believe in the trinity are worshipping a false God and are going to hell.
Yep. There's no disputing it.
And now, for the $1,000,000 question:
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Oh how funny, so NOT TRUE, we love ALL PEOPLE , in fact I went to live 9 months with a lady that is on this chat line and dearly love her, in fact we just had a phone confo , lol and i call her my bestest friend lol you so funny davew, the love we have is unconditional, like i said in a earlier post I LOVE ALL OF YOU.
...I LOVE ALL PEOPLE...
The question is not "do you love all people?" The question is this: Do you believe that I, a person who is solidly trinitarian and has never spoken in tongues (and never will), will be allowed to enter Heaven? I confess Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of God as my Lord and Savior. I also do not hold your doctrine. Will I be allowed into Heaven or not? Am I born again?
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RE: Let's get a discussion going on Oneness Pentecostal... - 12/21/2006 5:12:50 PM
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Oh dear Bro shane, I will not judge you... no way, that is God's job... as to whom, recieves the honor or not. I will say it is my prayer, that you are there, for i would ENJOY that so very much. as Christ I prays, none to perish.
As to your question "am I born again" again shane, I wont judge you not now or ever, its not my job, but i also ask you dont judge me likewise.
and, as you have said in your post quote:
I confess Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of God as my Lord and Savior. I also do not hold your doctrine. Will I be allowed into Heaven or not? Am I born again?
I also ask you this question, see I confess Jesus, as the Son of God also Bro shane, I believe, that He died on the cross, and I believe that He rose up out of the grave , and is soon to return.
So Shane, will I be in heaven ?
{{{{{{{{{ Shane }}}}}}}}}}}
So, Shane, what i am saying is, let us all pray, we find truth, for it is by truth, that we enter the land of milk and honey amen.
Might I suggest as your path crosses with a upc, or any other faith, dont put down their faith, for in tearing down someones faith, you make them not want to speak to you, or anyone else, for the matter, on the issues of God. See that is how I do ,Shane...I speak about it, together as friends, and or brother and sisters in Christ Jesus.
Work in kindness, you will find it a whole lot better than.....well you know.
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And now, for the $1,000,000 question: LOL are not your questions worth a whole lot more than that LOL {{{{{{{{{ Shane }}}}}}}} God bless you.
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Ya know dave tis the same for us, we are also yelling at your car, brother dave, all of our goals is to get to Heaven, amen, and it is my prayer ,that you are there with me worshipping the God of gods also, I dont look at you, or any other trinitarian, with discust, and or, they are going to hell, and or ew, NO WAY dave.
You don't even know what your own church is teaching, do you? The position of UPCI, indeed all "oneness" churches, is that those who believe in the trinity are worshipping a false God and are going to hell.
Dear Figmentpez, isnt this what you say about the upc. As far as telling people they are going to, hell, nope not my choice of where people go, i would pray that all go to heaven, but we all know that hell enlarges itself daily. Oh how wonderful it would be if Heaven would do that.
I can tell you, if I could, I would reach to all people , both small ,and great, no matter the faith ,and fly them all to heaven, but then again am not the savior only Jesus is that.
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For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. 1 John 5
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RE: Let's get a discussion going on Oneness Pentecostal... - 12/21/2006 5:30:33 PM
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Superduck77
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Got another question for all of you that have posted in this thread.
If I stood beside you, lets says at a function or any place, if i stood beside you , would you shake my hand, would you hug me , or would you look at me with piercing eyes, and say oh that one of those upc's, would you welcome me into your home, or turn me away. hmmmmm just a question or two.
Would you offer me a coffee, or the door, what would you do if tomorrow we met ?
Would you treat me as a sister in Christ Jesus, or a vagabon.
I tell you now, I would offer you a cup of coffee, and we would sit on my front porch and enjoy the beauty of God creation, I would shake your hand, hug you, and trest you as honored guest in my home.
Instead of "What would Jesus do" I ask "What would yall do" if tomorrow we all met ?
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For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. 1 John 5
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RE: Let's get a discussion going on Oneness Pentecostal... - 12/22/2006 6:44:55 AM
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So you're asking us if we will be nice to you while you refuse to honestly answer whether or not we have successfully met God's requirement for entry to heaven. Ok, I will not judge you for judging me, so I choose not to answer these questions you ask below.
Again, while I am giving you donuts, you will be acting like im damned for not following your heresy and i dont think all the donuts i give in the world would have an impact on how damaging your teachings are. Heck, why dont we all just convert to Mormonism and give out donuts to everyone, then we will be saved, no?
or to simplify... you're saying that even if your group is false before God, the fact you are nice trumps your false teachings, despite the fact this includes judgement and condemnation for us being Trinitarian, while on the other hand, our observation of this hypocricy and the fact you ARE teaching heresy is nothing compared to our lack of desire to treat you as close as you would appear to treat us. Notice I use the word 'appear'.
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Got another question for all of you that have posted in this thread.
If I stood beside you, lets says at a function or any place, if i stood beside you , would you shake my hand, would you hug me , or would you look at me with piercing eyes, and say oh that one of those upc's, would you welcome me into your home, or turn me away. hmmmmm just a question or two.
Would you offer me a coffee, or the door, what would you do if tomorrow we met ?
Would you treat me as a sister in Christ Jesus, or a vagabon.
I tell you now, I would offer you a cup of coffee, and we would sit on my front porch and enjoy the beauty of God creation, I would shake your hand, hug you, and trest you as honored guest in my home.
Instead of "What would Jesus do" I ask "What would yall do" if tomorrow we all met ?
Actually let me answer, with the earnestness you seem to show here.
What I think is this: I would not trust you, nor your intentions. I would see your niceness and your acceptance as ultimately conditional and slightly ulterior in motive. You would never show the same kind of honesty and integrity in teaching others about the bible, but instead would, as I watched, fudge or finaggle scripture and history here and there to make it seem Oneness-Pentecostal. You would condone or turn a blind eye to those elements in your group which condemn others, while seeking to gain more and more acceptance of Trinitarians, which would make it easier to convert them later. I would be concerned about those who would be disillusioned from christanity because of it, and those who suffer (as I have) emotinally from the guilt-trip games they play in Oneness Pentecostal churches. And so when you give me donuts or share a coffee, I would wonder who else would be taking a risk involving themselves naively watching the sun set and admiring Gods world.
Because, and this is the absolute most important thing to note, and it crystalizes my concern: You asked whether or not we would accept you as a Christian sister... yet you nowhere indicated you yourself would accept us as a Christian (no matter how nice we are). You said "honored guest", not "Christian brother". We both know those are not the same thing. I want you to also realize, I did not recognize this until after I wrote what I wrote above, so it confirms my suspicions about Pentecostalism in general and Pentecostal people who seek to justify their beliefs against Trinitarians. I almost missed your omission and it is those omissions that this heresy rides on isn't it?
So here is my answer: I will treat you as an honored guest, just like you say clearly you would treat me.
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RE: Let's get a discussion going on Oneness Pentecostal... - 12/22/2006 8:34:15 AM
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Superduck77
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I am not God. I dont know who will be in glory, I would the whole world would be but then again I DONT KNOW who will be and whom wont be I am human, not a God, only God knows the answer to this.
zaphnathpaaneah, many trinitarians, have been in my home, slept in my bed, and ate the food that i served them , and yes they were ,and still are a honored guest in my home , no dear one, there is no hidden motive in my mind, soul, brain, or heart. at all
Let me clarify to you, that those that came into my home, together we prayed, we love the God together, and had a wonderful several week visit.
A honored guest in my home is treated, with trust, love, kindness, peace, etc... i fluff their pillow even turn back the covers, the persons that stayed here have said they were treated like, angels and such.
I dont pressure anyone, into my faith, no way i dont drop little bullets of oneness, nope, and i dont befriend people, to oneness size them , nope sure dont.
You know many times during bible readings, and or studies, with my trin friends, I have found insite on the subjects we gleaned together, and you know i enjoyed listenin to them, so dont put words into my heart and or ideas, that are NOT there.
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Oh but you see, I do, this is what i am saying to all of you, I respect your beliefs.
I would that all would sit down in glory , the pagans, the babtist, the catholics, the mormons, ALL people zaphnathpaaneah jews and greeks alike, it is my heart that all enter the city.
I would even save you a seat beside me, at the marriage supper of the lamb, I am serious zaphnathpaaneah.
I ask you zaphnathpaaneah, come into the chat crossdaily where I chat with, many trinity people, and do call them Brothers, and Sisters. I invite you to see, that I am real, a upc, that does NOT condem any one.
Went and made some coffee, i am going into crossdaily, now come join the chat brother. LOL i promise i wont bite lol ok
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For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. 1 John 5
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RE: Let's get a discussion going on Oneness Pentecostal... - 12/22/2006 9:52:12 AM
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Superduck77
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Well dear ones, I will be taking a break from this, for a while, as I will at my sisters home, enjoying this wonderful time of the year, but before I do this I just wanted to say this to all of you, on this thread.
Merry Christmas to you, I pray ,that your time with your families ,will be as beautiful and sweet as sunshine. God is good and greatly to be praised, amen
Now if i dont get back in time, for the new year, it is my prayer also, that you each have a safe one, full of love and joy.
Hugs and love to you all, Duck ~.~
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For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. 1 John 5
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RE: Let's get a discussion going on Oneness Pentecostal... - 12/22/2006 3:01:13 PM
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Dear Figmentpez, isnt this what you say about the upc. As far as telling people they are going to, hell, nope not my choice of where people go, i would pray that all go to heaven, but we all know that hell enlarges itself daily. Oh how wonderful it would be if Heaven would do that.
Yes, I do boldly proclaim that the UPC is teaching false doctrine and that those who reject the one and only triune God of the Bible will not find salvation because salvation only comes from the Son of God, whom UPC doctrine denies and rejects. It is because I believe this that I am so concerned with making sure to preach the truth! I really and trul | | |
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