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Ron Paul: GOP's Last Chance? - 6/7/2007 5:19:31 PM
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constitutional_con
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Ron Paul: GOP's Last Chance?
The recent 2008 presidential GOP debates have highlighted one man. His name: Ron Paul. The mainstream media acted surprised and, I’m sure, the other nine candidates were taken aback by this relatively unknown standing out in after-debate polls. It has been reported that Rep. (Dr.) Paul of Texas has a large internet following. But I think it goes beyond the widespread use of the internet...
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RE: Ron Paul: GOP's Last Chance? - 6/7/2007 5:22:28 PM
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brotherbrian
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I don't.
Stick a fork in him.
He'd make a good cabinet head though.
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RE: Ron Paul: GOP's Last Chance? - 6/7/2007 5:25:53 PM
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He's the Republican counterpart to Dennis Kucinich.
Translation: He doesn't stand a chance.....
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RE: Ron Paul: GOP's Last Chance? - 6/7/2007 6:23:46 PM
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I don't know, Tak--Kucinich should do very well among Gnome Americans.
That could be enough to push him out and ahead of the pack.
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RE: Ron Paul: GOP's Last Chance? - 6/8/2007 10:38:27 AM
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He's the Republican counterpart to Dennis Kucinich.
Translation: He doesn't stand a chance.....
The more I hear from him, the more I am interested, especially when compared to the other candidates. He doesn't seem to get much backing from the party. The Republican chair from Michigan wanted him banned from further debates. He also doesn't do well in the 'sound bite/slogan' format of the debates. He does better when he has time to explain his views in depth.
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RE: Ron Paul: GOP's Last Chance? - 6/8/2007 11:13:48 AM
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Ron Paul is a Libertarian Party candidate not a Republican no wonder.
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The more I hear from him, the more I am interested, especially when compared to the other candidates. He doesn't seem to get much backing from the party. The Republican chair from Michigan wanted him banned from further debates
The Republican party has left its roots and is wandering in the desert thanks to Dubya. While the Libertarian Party shares some issues with the Republicans they are not, repeat not, close enough to take over for them.
Ron Paul carefully refrains from sharing the Libertarian positions on many things that the Reps would choke on. Like legalizing drugs and eliminating half of our government. Of all the third parties the Libertarians are the largest and they have maintained a consistent percentage of our population even though they have no chance at winning the election their speaking out on many issues is refreshing.
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RE: Ron Paul: GOP's Last Chance? - 6/8/2007 2:28:00 PM
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If you want to understand why so many Republicans find paul threatening, take a look at the guy's voting record:
Brief Overview of Congressman Paul’s Record:
He has never voted to raise taxes.
He has never voted for an unbalanced budget.
He has never voted for a federal restriction on gun ownership.
He has never voted to raise congressional pay.
He has never taken a government-paid junket.
He has never voted to increase the power of the executive branch.
He voted against the Patriot Act.
He voted against regulating the Internet.
He voted against the Iraq war.
He does not participate in the lucrative congressional pension program.
He returns a portion of his annual congressional office budget to the U.S. treasury every year.
Congressman Paul introduces numerous pieces of substantive legislation each year, probably more than any single member of Congress.
People are so used to fake talking points and phony actors that when they see an actual, live citizen with consistent principles and respect for the constitution it confuses and scares them - Paul not only talks the talk, he walks the walk, and since the Republican Party has morphed into the party of Big Government and Big Spending they can't compete.
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RE: Ron Paul: GOP's Last Chance? - 6/8/2007 2:34:32 PM
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oh please. Ron Paul has no chance of winning the nomination and he knows this. He's only out to get his issues on the table and possibly raise his fees for speaking engagements in the future.
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RE: Ron Paul: GOP's Last Chance? - 6/8/2007 2:41:54 PM
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Paul explained from a strategic point of view what blowback is, basically taking the same position as the CIA and the 9/11 Commission. This is a complicated topic, not well suited for 30 second soundbites,.
Giuliani (of course!) saw the opportunity to score some cheap points with people who are more easily impressed by emotional soundbites than reasoned historical analysis and did a good job of butting in and distorting Paul's point.
But we can only note that Giuliani was not being completely honest here, since as the mayor of NYC has has almost certainly read the 9/11 Commission Report and been exposed numberous times to the very same strategic analyses he denounced as "absurd" in the debate.
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His 9/11 comments mad him a 
There's already a wasted thread on this wasted person.
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RE: Ron Paul: GOP's Last Chance? - 6/8/2007 3:44:30 PM
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It's easy to seem the expert about anything 6 years after the fact.
He's toast, and rightfully so.
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RE: Ron Paul: GOP's Last Chance? - 6/8/2007 3:58:34 PM
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Constitutional_con didn't you get it the first time.
Ron Paul is the Libertarian party candidate even if he embodied all the Republican ideals he is still from another party. He would be a lame duck from the moment he set foot in the white house. With no senatorial party to support him and no congressional party to support him how could he get anything he wanted passed?
constitutional_con have you read the Libertarian party web site, what their agenda is, or even done more than listened to the debates with him in them?
I wondered the first time why he was in the republican debates, he should be removed before the next debate.
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RE: Ron Paul: GOP's Last Chance? - 6/8/2007 4:02:09 PM
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I smell a troll. This guy has started at least 2 threads on the same topic in this folder. The other is thinly disguised as a discussion on the debates. Both threads have links to the Libertarian newsletter.
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RE: Ron Paul: GOP's Last Chance? - 6/9/2007 11:30:06 AM
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oh please. Ron Paul has no chance of winning the nomination and he knows this. He's only out to get his issues on the table and possibly raise his fees for speaking engagements in the future.
Howard Dean was at about the same position at this point 4 years ago (low name-recognition, even lower in the polls, unusual views, esp. re: Iraq), but he obviously still had a chance at the nomination. Dismissing a candidate merely because of his current position in the polls, which are driven by the media more than anything else, seem both foolish and an awful way to run a democracy.
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RE: Ron Paul: GOP's Last Chance? - 6/9/2007 12:16:05 PM
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Actually, 45degreeN, Ron Paul is (R) TX and the former head of the Republican Liberty Caucus. He was the libertarian presidential candidate in 1988 - almost 20 years ago! - but because he is now an (R), that is why he is in the republican debates.
Yes it is true that there are many Repubs who dislike and fear his message of smaller govt, lower taxes, constitutional nonintervention, states rights, etc, which is why there has been some noise about trying to get him out of the Republican debates - the Republican party of today is not the the same party Reagan and Goldwater belonged to.
Who would have ever thought that the Republican party would stand for unlimited warfare abroad and endless spending at home, backed by open borders and grotesquely unbalanced budgets based on borrowing? But thats the party we have today. 
I watched the Republican debates of course and it seems to me that the other 9 candidates simply represent more of the same. From my POV it would be preferable to return to the party's roots and the Constitution.
Of course I have Read Paul's positions, they are easily available on the web via google.
Have you?
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Constitutional_con didn't you get it the first time.
Ron Paul is the Libertarian party candidate even if he embodied all the Republican ideals he is still from another party. He would be a lame duck from the moment he set foot in the white house. With no senatorial party to support him and no congressional party to support him how could he get anything he wanted passed?
constitutional_con have you read the Libertarian party web site, what their agenda is, or even done more than listened to the debates with him in them?
I wondered the first time why he was in the republican debates, he should be removed before the next debate.
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RE: Ron Paul: GOP's Last Chance? - 6/9/2007 12:20:17 PM
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Topic title should be: Ron Paul 08's Last (In Place) Candidate..even dem maniac Dennis The Menace could beat him.
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RE: Ron Paul: GOP's Last Chance? - 6/9/2007 12:30:49 PM
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quote:
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Topic title should be: Ron Paul 08's Last (In Place) Candidate..even dem maniac Dennis The Menace could beat him.
Could he? I would think a pure conservative would beat a pure liberal, wouldn't he?
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RE: Ron Paul: GOP's Last Chance? - 6/9/2007 12:39:54 PM
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In "America's Eyes" Dennis the Menace is a better known name and the majority of Americans share his general views on Iraq.
I couldn't vote for either & both if score low in the first few primaries they need to be removed from the debates.
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RE: Ron Paul: GOP's Last Chance? - 6/9/2007 12:46:01 PM
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In "America's Eyes" Dennis the Menace is a better known name and the majority of Americans share his general views on Iraq.
I couldn't vote for either & both if score low in the first few primaries they need to be removed from the debates.
Kucinich is a better-known name because people ignore Paul because he is unknown. Doesn't this seem to be a horrible way to pick candidates? No one pays attention to Paul because no one pays attention to him, despite the fact that he seems to have a perfect conservative record.
A couple weeks before the debate, I understand restricting your support to candidates who have a realistic chance to win, but at this stage of the game, shouldn't we throw our support behind the candidate who best represents our beliefs?
Also, I think Paul's view of war in general, as well as the war in Iraq, are more in line with most Americans' views than Kucinich's. Dennis is pretty much a pacifist, while Paul is only against wars with goals completely at odds with human history (i.e., using force to establish democracy in a foreign country).
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RE: Ron Paul: GOP's Last Chance? - 6/9/2007 4:16:16 PM
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My choice would be Alan Keyes, but he is not running either Oh well.
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RE: Ron Paul: GOP's Last Chance? - 6/9/2007 4:24:59 PM
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Alan Keyes? Really?
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RE: Ron Paul: GOP's Last Chance? - 6/10/2007 6:17:00 PM
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Liberty has two first names, Ron Paul.
The rate his popularity is expanding, leads me to believe, that he actually DOES have a chance! It's useless to debate party affiliation squabble... He is more Republican than any candidate running... All others have lost their way.
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RE: Ron Paul: GOP's Last Chance? - 6/10/2007 6:47:42 PM
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Go ron paul!!!
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RE: Ron Paul: GOP's Last Chance? - 6/11/2007 9:56:27 AM
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Giuliani (of course!) saw the opportunity to score some cheap points with people who are more easily impressed by emotional soundbites than reasoned historical analysis and did a good job of butting in and distorting Paul's point.
Paul explained his point very well in a interview on New Hampshire Public Radio, which I viewed on C-Span. Despite what the Nattering Nabobs of Negativity say on this thread, he and Tancredo seem to be the only real conservatives running against Diet Pepsi, and Diet Coke, as Savage calls them.
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RE: Ron Paul: GOP's Last Chance? - 6/11/2007 11:07:19 AM
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Michael Savage...
What an endorsement. 
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