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RE: Ron Paul vows to press on - 2/25/2008 11:55:58 AM
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c11bar
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Check out this picture of the Ron Paul rally in Austin this past Saturday!
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RE: Ron Paul vows to press on - 2/25/2008 12:25:28 PM
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Check out this picture of the Ron Paul rally in Austin this past Saturday!
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Go Ron Paul 2008!!!!!!
According to some of the know-it-all posters, "theres a whole bunch a dope smokin', 'truther', kooks in that thar picture", as if that's was the only reasons to support a Constitution first candidate. I'll hang with the kooks, thanks.
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RE: Ron Paul vows to press on - 2/25/2008 12:57:23 PM
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ORIGINAL: c11bar
Check out this picture of the Ron Paul rally in Austin this past Saturday!
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Go Ron Paul 2008!!!!!!
According to some of the know-it-all posters, "theres a whole bunch a dope smokin', 'truther', kooks in that thar picture", as if that's was the only reasons to support a Constitution first candidate. I'll hang with the kooks, thanks.
Careful, that stuff will kill brain cells.
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RE: Ron Paul seems to want to change the Constitution - 2/29/2008 8:40:04 PM
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I liked a lot of what Ron Paul said but my huge problem with him was that he would not give aid, financial OR military, to Israel. I couldn't vote for a President who would turn his back on Israel if there were a major attack.
Many people take what Ron Paul said concerning Israel way out of context. Ron Paul believes that we should cut off financial and military aid to all nations, including Israel. Israel has the capabilities to defend herself, and she could do more in the United States would back off.
We have contributed trillions and trillions of dollars to Israel and it's efforts to bring about peace, has peace come yet? No. Israel has been involved in conflict for thousands of years, I don't think there is anything the United States can do to stop it.
I believe whole heartedly that we should support Israel, but when comes to military or financial, no. Let Israel do what she is capable of doing. Your heard Ron Paul yourself that America is going broke, how far broke to you want America to go????
If that is your only reason for not supporting Ron Paul, then you got issues.
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RE: Ron Paul seems to want to change the Constitution - 3/3/2008 6:06:04 PM
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Being a programmer, I thought this was pretty funny...
http://developer.pidgin.im/ticket/4831
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RE: Ron Paul seems to want to change the Constitution - 3/5/2008 10:52:31 AM
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[image]http://www.ronpaul2008.com/features/two-candidates/two-candidates.jpg[/image]
There were 11. Now there are Two.
Welcome! Huckabee Supporters !!!!!!!
Welcome to the Ron Paul 2008 campaign. We accept you with open arms and lets get together and support the only conservative left in the race, Dr. Ron Paul.
Ron Paul 2008
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RE: Ron Paul seems to want to change the Constitution - 3/5/2008 11:30:08 AM
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LOL. Huckleberry is a populist, not a libertarian like L. Ron. 
I think you're right. However, I don't think most Huckabee supporters necessarily realized or agreed with his populist/statist positions but rather supported him because of his articulate, cordial personality and delivery and the fact that he is a former minister. When faced with just the issues, the choice is clear between Ron Paul and John McCain. Ron Paul is the one who stands for life and Christian values.
Ron Paul's Statement of Faith
"..............But for those who have asked, I freely confess that Jesus Christ is my personal Savior, and that I seek His guidance in all that I do. I know, as you do, that our freedoms come not from man, but from God. My record of public service reflects my reverence for the Natural Rights with which we have been endowed by a loving Creator................."
Libertarianism is very compatible with Christianity, much more so than populism/statism.
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RE: Ron Paul: GOP's Last Chance? - 3/6/2008 2:31:49 PM
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I just wanted to let the misguided Christian libertarians know that you've been seduced by a governmental philosophy that is humanistic and immoral.
From KGOV.com:
Ron Paul is pro-choice state by state: "While Roe v. Wade is invalid, a federal law banning abortion across all 50 states would be equally invalid." (1-31-06).
If Ron Paul lived in Berlin in 1944 and had said, "While killing Jews is invalid, a federal law banning the holocaust across all of Germany's 16 states would be equally invalid," his wicked claim would be immediately obvious to most people, but abortion has so dehumanized babies that even pro-lifers are vulnerable to lies that promote tolerance of the slaughter.
Find out more: "ARTL on Ron Paul & the Lib Party"
"Libertarian Candidate Craig Exposes Ron Paul"
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RE: Ron Paul: GOP's Last Chance? - 3/6/2008 2:55:52 PM
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That doesn't make Ron Paul pro-choice. He is adamantly pro-life.
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RE: Ron Paul vows to press on - 3/6/2008 4:21:32 PM
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Mike Huckabee and many other Christian leaders have been promoting the idea of amending the Constitution to abolish abortion. Apparently, they do not realize that that amendment has already been passed!!!! It's the 5th Amendment to the Constitution. It protects Life!!!!!!! Ron Paul's bill, HR 1094, "The Sanctity of Life Act" declares that human life shall be deemed to exist from conception. This act clarifies that the unborn's God-given right to life is guaranteed by the US Constitution. No State may deprive the unborn or anyone else their right to life. The act of killing the unborn is homicide. The States have jurisdiction regarding crimes and each state will determine if the crime is 1st degree murder, 2nd degree murder, etc...... But no State will be able to legalize abortion because the right to life of the unborn is guaranteed by the US Constitution. The Roe V. Wade Supreme Court ruling will be immediately invalidated.
Ron Paul's approach to ending abortion is the most effective, legal, and immediate solution.
I fear many Republican politicians only give lip service to the pro-life cause and do not want an immediate solution that would resolve the issue. They would rather keep the issue unresolved and in the forefront in order to rally support from their pro-life constituents. If not, then why not sign on as a sponsor and supporter of Ron Paul's bills? The sad answer is that they do not want to lose the issue.
Contact your Representatives immediately and demand that they support Ron Paul's bills. Don't be dissuaded by fallacious arguments like Tim's above that are just trying to keep the issue alive by deceiving people and duping them into supporting a redundant Constitutional Amendment that will take years and years to pass if ever.
Ron Paul - Life & Liberty
Ron Paul - Respect for Life
"..................Thirty years later, the pro-life fight goes on. Well-intentioned pro-life advocates supported a bill in Congress last week called the Unborn Victims of Violence Act, believing it represented a step toward restoring respect for unborn life. Unfortunately, the bill does not accord any human or legal status to fetuses, but rather creates a new federal penalty for harming the mother of a fetus. The reasoning is deeply flawed: if there is to be a greater penalty for harming a pregnant woman than an ordinary woman, it must be based on the harm to the unborn child. In other words, the enhanced penalty must be for the second offense to the second human life. Yet the legislation evades this fundamental truth by refusing to recognize the fetus as a human person. So the Act is seriously flawed and will not engender new respect for unborn life.
Worse yet, the Act serves to legitimize and further entrench the Roe v. Wade decision. Like Roe, the Act federalizes law which the Constitution properly leaves to the states. Constitutionally, virtually all crimes are state matters. The only true federal crimes are those listed in Article I (treason, piracy, and counterfeiting); all other crimes are left to the jurisdiction of the states under the 10th Amendment. Yet Congress finds it much easier to federalize every human evil rather than uphold the Constitution and respect states' rights. Impassioned pro-life Americans might want a federal criminal law protecting fetuses, but in truth the federal government is more likely to pass laws favoring abortion rather than outlawing it. Once we allow federal control over abortion, we lose the opportunity for states to enact pro-life legislation. Numerous states already have laws that punish the act of murder against a fetus. Our focus should be on overturning Roe and getting the federal government completely out of the business of regulating state matters. All abortion foes must understand that the real battle should be fought at the state level, where grassroots respect for life can influence state legislatures............"
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RE: Ron Paul vows to press on - 3/6/2008 4:40:22 PM
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Contact your Representatives immediately and demand that they support Ron Paul's bills. ALL of them?  Even the ones with all the pork that he votes against when the bill is assured of passing?
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RE: Ron Paul vows to press on - 3/6/2008 5:49:05 PM
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Don't be fooled by the lies of the MSM. John McCain has not secured the nomination yet. In precinct conventions all across Texas and Ohio, Resolutions were passed expressing no confidence in the nomination of John McCain. Ron Paul supporters are taking over the Republican Party.
Ron Paul may be the underdog but he is running the race in the classical tortoise and the hare fashion. Of course, Ron Paul will end up winning and will be our next President.
All the delegates to the county/SD convention from my precinct are Ron Paul supporters. I am an alternate delegate.
On to Victory!!!!! Ron Paul 2008 !!!!!
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RE: Ron Paul vows to press on - 3/6/2008 8:36:52 PM
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I'll be honest here. I cannot, in good conscience, support Ron Paul. I disagree vehemently with his belief of non-support for Israel as well as his views on social programs like social security. The question that I've never heard a satisfactory answer to is what happens to people who, like me, can't work or rely on such programs to survive? If we become a nation of "every man for himself" how will we have any moral authority?
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RE: Ron Paul vows to press on - 3/7/2008 11:20:58 AM
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Mike Huckabee and many other Christian leaders have been promoting the idea of amending the Constitution to abolish abortion. Apparently, they do not realize that that amendment has already been passed!!!! It's the 5th Amendment to the Constitution. It protects Life!!!!!!! Ron Paul's bill, HR 1094, "The Sanctity of Life Act" declares that human life shall be deemed to exist from conception. This act clarifies that the unborn's God-given right to life is guaranteed by the US Constitution. No State may deprive the unborn or anyone else their right to life. The act of killing the unborn is homicide. The States have jurisdiction regarding crimes and each state will determine if the crime is 1st degree murder, 2nd degree murder, etc...... But no State will be able to legalize abortion because the right to life of the unborn is guaranteed by the US Constitution. The Roe V. Wade Supreme Court ruling will be immediately invalidated.
Ron Paul's approach to ending abortion is the most effective, legal, and immediate solution.
I fear many Republican politicians only give lip service to the pro-life cause and do not want an immediate solution that would resolve the issue. They would rather keep the issue unresolved and in the forefront in order to rally support from their pro-life constituents. If not, then why not sign on as a sponsor and supporter of Ron Paul's bills? The sad answer is that they do not want to lose the issue.
Contact your Representatives immediately and demand that they support Ron Paul's bills. Don't be dissuaded by fallacious arguments like Tim's above that are just trying to keep the issue alive by deceiving people and duping them into supporting a redundant Constitutional Amendment that will take years and years to pass if ever.
Ron Paul - Life & Liberty
Ron Paul - Respect for Life
"..................Thirty years later, the pro-life fight goes on. Well-intentioned pro-life advocates supported a bill in Congress last week called the Unborn Victims of Violence Act, believing it represented a step toward restoring respect for unborn life. Unfortunately, the bill does not accord any human or legal status to fetuses, but rather creates a new federal penalty for harming the mother of a fetus. The reasoning is deeply flawed: if there is to be a greater penalty for harming a pregnant woman than an ordinary woman, it must be based on the harm to the unborn child. In other words, the enhanced penalty must be for the second offense to the second human life. Yet the legislation evades this fundamental truth by refusing to recognize the fetus as a human person. So the Act is seriously flawed and will not engender new respect for unborn life.
Worse yet, the Act serves to legitimize and further entrench the Roe v. Wade decision. Like Roe, the Act federalizes law which the Constitution properly leaves to the states. Constitutionally, virtually all crimes are state matters. The only true federal crimes are those listed in Article I (treason, piracy, and counterfeiting); all other crimes are left to the jurisdiction of the states under the 10th Amendment. Yet Congress finds it much easier to federalize every human evil rather than uphold the Constitution and respect states' rights. Impassioned pro-life Americans might want a federal criminal law protecting fetuses, but in truth the federal government is more likely to pass laws favoring abortion rather than outlawing it. Once we allow federal control over abortion, we lose the opportunity for states to enact pro-life legislation. Numerous states already have laws that punish the act of murder against a fetus. Our focus should be on overturning Roe and getting the federal government completely out of the business of regulating state matters. All abortion foes must understand that the real battle should be fought at the state level, where grassroots respect for life can influence state legislatures............"
And they say Obama's followers act like cult members .........
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Ron Paul will end presidential run - 3/7/2008 8:11:15 PM
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"We are acknowledging that Ron will not be the nominee and that we are winding down the campaign," said Jesse Benton, the Paul campaign's communication manager.
Paul hinted the end was near in a video to supporters posted on YouTube on Thursday.
"Though victory in the conventional political sense is not available in the presidential race, many victories have been achieved due to your hard work and enthusiasm," Paul said in the video.
STORY HERE
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RE: Ron Paul vows to press on - 3/9/2008 11:51:14 PM
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".........Ron Paul says not so fast.
Despite reports indicating otherwise, the Texas Republican is not ending his long-shot campaign for presidency, Paul’s top spokesman said Friday.
“Dropping out is not accurate,”said Jesse Benton, Paul’s presidential campaign spokesman, by phone................."
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RE: Ron Paul vows to press on - 3/12/2008 6:26:39 PM
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Ron Paul oped in Forbes.com
A Word From Ron Paul
".............Trailwatch reached out to each of the remaining presidential campaigns and offered them an unedited forum in which they could address voters. As he was when we requested information for our Candidate Screener, Ron Paul was the first candidate to respond to our offer. We asked each campaign to submit 500 to 1,000 words on the issues they believe are the most important ones facing the nation at this moment in time. Here is what Ron Paul had to say.
--Paul M. Murdock
America became the greatest, most prosperous nation in history through low taxes, constitutionally limited government, personal freedom and a belief in sound money. I decided to run for president because I am deeply concerned that the conservative movement has drifted away from these principles that we once so fiercely defended. Deficits have exploded, entitlements are out of control and our personal liberties are threatened like never before....................."
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Ron Paul Statement on HR 5512 - 3/13/2008 8:42:29 PM
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Mr. Chairman, I oppose HR 5512 because it is unconstitutional to delegate the determination of the metal content of our coinage to the Secretary of the Treasury. Under Article I Section 8 of the Constitution, the Congress is given the power to coin money and regulate the value thereof. It is a shame that Congress has already unconstitutionally delegated its coinage authority to the Treasury Department, but that is no reason to further delegate our power and essentially abdicate Congressional oversight as the passing of HR 5512 would do.
Oversight by members of Congress, who have an incentive to listen to their constituents, ensures openness and transparency. This bill would eliminate that process and delegate it to unelected bureaucrats. The Secretary of the Treasury would be given sole discretion to alter the metal content of coins, or even to create non-metal coins. Given the history of Congressional delegation and subsequent lax oversight on issues as important as the conflict in Iraq, it would be na?ve to believe that Congress would exercise any more oversight over an issue as unimportant to most members as the composition of coins.
While I sympathize with the aim of Section 4 of this bill to save taxpayer dollars by minting steel pennies, it is disappointing that our currency has been so greatly devalued as to make this step necessary. At the time of the penny’s introduction, it actually had some purchasing power. Based on the price of gold, what one penny would have purchased in 1909 requires 47 cents today. It is no wonder then that few people nowadays would stoop to pick up any coin smaller than a quarter.
Congress’ unconstitutional delegation of monetary policy to the Federal Reserve and its reluctance to exercise oversight in that arena have led to a massive devaluation of the dollar. If we fail to end this devaluation, we will undoubtedly hold future hearings as the metal value of our coins continues to outstrip the face value.
HR 5512 is a sad commentary on how far we have fallen, not just since the days of the Founders, but only in the last 75 to 100 years. We could not maintain the gold standard nor the silver standard. We could not maintain the copper standard, and now we cannot even maintain the zinc standard. Paper money inevitably breeds inflation and destroys the value of the currency. That is the reason that this proposal is before us today.
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RE: Ron Paul Statement on HR 5512 - 3/14/2008 9:38:22 AM
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Regardless of what you think of Ron Paul, I challenge anyone to find a sound bite, of the other three, saying anything like this;
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America became the greatest, most prosperous nation in history through low taxes, constitutionally limited government, personal freedom and a belief in sound money. I decided to run for president because I am deeply concerned that the conservative movement has drifted away from these principles that we once so fiercely defended. Deficits have exploded, entitlements are out of control and our personal liberties are threatened like never before....................."
I don't walk in lock step with everything he believes, but because the other three are in a contest, to see who is more like the other, I was one of the 25,000 or so RP voters, in Ohio.
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Time to Listen to Ron Paul? - 3/28/2008 5:14:26 AM
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Time to listen to Texas Congressman Ron Paul, the lone voice of reason in Congress today who’s got to feel like he’s shouting into a field of cotton with his repeated warnings about the dangers of a collapsing dollar, while the administration goes AWOL on the problem.
The dollar just hit a record intraday low against the euro on reports that consumer confidence levels have dropped to levels not seen since the post-Watergate era. It is down 7% year to date against the Chinese renminbi, it’s weaker than the Japanese yen and the Canadian loonie.
The joke is the greenback is now only stronger than the Mexican pesos and the Zimbabwe dollar, an overstatement for dramatic effect, to be sure.But since hitting a peak in 2002, the dollar has lost about a quarter of its value against a trade weighted basket of currencies.
http://emac.blogs.foxbusiness.com/2008/03/26/time-to-listen-to-ron-paul/
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RE: Ron Paul vows to press on - 4/3/2008 12:07:34 PM
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Ron Paul's moment is only just beginning! And this is from a talented young scholar who used to be a neo-conservative.
The Ron Paul Moment Has Only Begun
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RE: Ron Paul vows to press on - 4/3/2008 1:32:42 PM
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Any one see this?
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