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RE: The Paranormal, Ghosts and Demons - 4/15/2008 8:33:03 PM
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cherokeehippie
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Yes, it is demonic....and I was reluctant to share what I heard what 'starfire' meant...because I didn't want ot shock or gross my brothers and sisters out....I learned that it is suppose to be menstrual blood that is drank in certain kinds of satanic goddess pagan rituals...when I learned that, it blew me away because it made me think of Revelations 17:4 of the harlot of mystery babylon having a gold cup full of abominations and the 'unclean things of her immorallity"
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RE: The Paranormal, Ghosts and Demons - 4/15/2008 8:34:25 PM
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cherokeehippie
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Oh yeah, by hte way...I didn't know that Stephen King got saved!!
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RE: The Paranormal, Ghosts and Demons - 4/15/2008 9:28:14 PM
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u got it Tall_One i was only telling what i went through i wasnt makin fun or anything :-)
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RE: The Paranormal, Ghosts and Demons - 4/16/2008 2:24:09 AM
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And the unbiblical fiction continues.
Ladies and gentlemen, please be very wary of personal testimonies, especially concerning the spirit realm. There is dangerous ground here: on one side, Satan and demons are behind every bush. On the other extreme, Satan and his demons don't exist. The assertions in this thread obviously lean toward seeing demons in every shadow.
I can allow personal testimonies to a point, but when they go so far beyond biblical boundaries (the Bible: our only and best authority on the spiritual realm!), they must be rejected as either purposeful embellishment or sincere confusion. This leads to misguided advice on non-existent issues. Por ejemplo:
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Pure elemental power is demonic power and is commonly used in the practice of witchcraft. It is something that Christians should not involve themselves in. To do so, creates a double minded man which the Bible states clearly is not what Christians are to be.
"Pure elemental power"... first, what exactly is this? Secondly, without Christ nothing was made that was made, and nothing (NOT ONE ASPECT OF CREATION) is beyond redemption. I can expand on this theme is anyone cares about it, but the point is that 'pure elemental power' (seemingly referring to something such as the combustion of materials in stars) is only an aspect of creation that some obscure idolatrous group of people have tried to pervert but is ultimately a part of God's good creation. For goodness sake, if some idiot prays to a twig, it doesn't make trees evil!
Secondly, this quote tries to make some connection between 'star fire' and verses from James and Revelation?!? Huh?!? This is, quite frankly, an egregious mishandling of the Word of Truth. The referenced passage in James is dealing with Christians asking wisdom from God without doubting, not 'elemental demonic power'! The context is faith being strengthened through trials! How do you get to demonic activity and elemental power from that?!?
And, as a side note, TJstarfire is not saying that he knows of two other people who "use" starfire in the sense of invoking some power, but rather people who USE it as a NAME. If this simple communique is mistranslated, how trustworthy is the same source when interpreting scripture?
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satanists will bless movies, dvds, books, and music to satan. Frank Garlock says in his book The Big Beat when these items are blessed to satan, satanists have allowed satan to place demons on the items. When the items are played, demons come to attract, tempt and entice people to follow satan's ways.
The author is again pulling from non-biblical sources to deal with a strictly biblical subject. Can you show me in the Bible that demons, denizens of the spiritual realm, live on or in non-spiritual things? Of course not, because it doesn't happen. Demons may choose a certain non-Christian person or place to hang around )read the book of Mark). Satan MAY dispatch demons to torment believers (though this is extra-biblical also), but rest assured they don't live in your DVD or CD collection. If your DVDs and CDs focus on and elevate anti-Christ themes, then you need to stop watching and listening to them. You don't need a priest with holy water. For example, this quote's author references a cartoon that dismisses witchcraft as good. This is obviously unbiblical, and should be handled as such.
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Many times when I flip to a movie which I do not know quite what it is, I will be hit with an overwhelming demonic force. I flip the channel and ask God to close any door I opened in error.
Demons don't live in TV broadcasts. However, anti-Christ themes, situations, and activities may come through your TV. Don't mistake the Holy Ghost tugging on your conscience as 'overwhelming demonic force', unless you have demonic beings present in your life already.
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As Christians, we are to be seperate from the world. As the Bible says, we are to be in the world but not of the world. 2 Corinthians 6:17 & Romans 12:2
I touched on this a few paragraphs back, but this seems to dip into classic 'dualism', which is a term that basically means the separation of reality into 'sacred' and 'secular' realms. Dualism maintains that any aspects of this world that aren't "bible" or "church" are "bad" and "evil". Government? Evil! Music? Evil! Acting? Evil! This is a gross misunderstanding of the gospel message and reality, because the kingdom of God has come to renew all aspects of creation, not to separate from them. All aspects of creation are structurally good, but directionally perverted. In other words, the structure of an aspect of reality such as government is created 'good', but the direction taken by ungodly humanity taints it, like a parasite. Again, I can develop this theme if anyone cares.
As for 'demons' attacking you while you sleep... Please, please, please, make sure you are interpreting your experience through the Bible, not the Bible through your experience. Is it at all within the realm of possibility that you had a simple bad dream? Sometimes a bad dream is just a bad dream. Take a hot shower, read a verse, sing a psalm... and go back to bed.
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lso, on this planet since Jesus left and until His return our contact with him is the holy ghost.
Not all of the apparitions people experience are evil and our lord is also lord over all spirits.
Amen! I suggest that the dear readers here read Job.
In conclusion: Even Satan has to have permission from God to do ANYTHING, Satan doesn't hide behind every bush and in every DVD, and God has not given us a spirit of fear.
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RE: The Paranormal, Ghosts and Demons - 4/16/2008 9:41:33 AM
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Tall_One
Aliens as in extra terrestial are demons.
You may sreve some Earthly god but i serve the GOD of the heavens.
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Pure elemental power is demonic power and is commonly used in the practice of witchcraft.
Pure elemental power is the power of creation and the use of that had not been taught to any of the fallen before they got themselves chained to this gravity well.
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RE: The Paranormal, Ghosts and Demons - 4/16/2008 9:56:07 AM
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cherokeehippie
Thanks for telling me that, and i can see the conection that is used in naming that type of blood, but i assure you i don't drink from that fountain of power. i get my power from the spring that flows from the throne of GOD unpoluted by flesh, other than my own.
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RE: The Paranormal, Ghosts and Demons - 4/16/2008 12:53:07 PM
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ManimalX, I resent the fact that you say that everything that I experienced was a figment of my imagination. First, I would like to say that on a few of those attacks I was wide awake, able to see my whole room by moving my eyes but could not move. Secondly, I am not a new Christian but have been saved for quite a few years and am 43 years old so you are not dealing with someone who was born yesterday. Thirdly, you say everything in creation is not beyond redemption but I beg to differ because in the book of Jude it states God did not stoop down to redeem the angels who rebelled against Him but are reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day. And it is not extrabiblical to have a demon dispatched to torture a believer as that is exactly what happened to Paul who had " a thorn in the flesh, a messenger of satan to torment me". And demons may not live in objects but they can be attached to them for sure such as objects used in witchcraft or satanism or the occult. I recommended a book in my earlier thread that you need to read, ManimalX. Read that book( and there are other books) then come back and give your opinion. There are things that you are very ignorant about when it comes to the demonic and you need to equip yourself with some knowledge. It was satan, in the book of Job, that caused the Sabeans to raid his(Job's) oxen,that caused the fire to come down from the air and burn up the sheep, that caused the Chaldeans to take away his camels, that caused a great wind to strike the house where his(Job's) children were celebrating with a feast and perished. And satan and his demons don,t have the power to hold someone down where they cannot move? There is much more to the spiritual realm than you are really aware of. I say all this in love. Get knowledge and understanding. Take care
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RE: The Paranormal, Ghosts and Demons - 4/16/2008 1:03:39 PM
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TJStarfire
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It is a name tag tall one, lighten up.
I apologize for putting a stumblingblock in your path and causing you to sin.
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RE: The Paranormal, Ghosts and Demons - 4/16/2008 1:15:15 PM
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TJStarfire
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I serve a risen Saviour, He's in the world today,
I don't know who it is you serve. However, Biblically Christ left this rock and when HE returns everyone will know about it.
Mark 13:34
For the Son of Man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch.
Revelation 1:7
Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
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RE: The Paranormal, Ghosts and Demons - 4/16/2008 5:13:53 PM
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I have been reading this thread for the past ten minutes and there are people here who think any supernatural encounter is a figment of the recipients imagination.
Yes, that does seem to be the case. IMO it shows how two different camps of the church teach. One is taught that nothing is to be believed if the bible does not explicitly speak on it and the other camp believes that the Holy Spirit can teach and train us, using the bible to show us God's nature and even the nature of the Spiritual realm to a point, while revealing to us more indepth training in an area as God sees fit.
You'll never get away from that.
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ORIGINAL: Manimal
Satan MAY dispatch demons to torment believers (though this is extra-biblical also),
So you believe that satan MAY do this? Even though you feel it's extra-biblical? How can that be since you refute all things that are extra-biblical? Why do you believe he MAY do it?
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And it is not extrabiblical to have a demon dispatched to torture a believer as that is exactly what happened to Paul who had " a thorn in the flesh, a messenger of satan to torment me".
Yes, that demon was tormenting Paul in some way. It could have been anything. I did a study on this once. In the Hebrew language the term a "thorn in the flesh" was used exactly as the term we say today, a "pain in the neck". It was an adage to mean something that aggravates and does not mean that something was necessarily in the actual flesh or body of someone.
The demon tormenting Paul could have bothered him during his sleep so he didn't always sleep well, it could have attacked his mind with depression, it could have been bouts with an illness, it could have been physical harrassment or audible noises he heard. It could have been ANYTHING that caused constant aggravation or been a 'pain in the neck' to him.
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RE: The Paranormal, Ghosts and Demons - 4/17/2008 4:43:21 AM
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First I want to say I am sorry to "stickwitu" for assuming that he was being sarcastic. And second I want to respond to "SD456" study on Paul's thorn in the flesh. Paul said it was a messenger of satan. I think this messenger was tormenting Paul with his past, before God turned him around. He persecuted the Christians and had them thrown in prison,he was there holding the jackets of those who stoned Steven giving his own approval of their acts. I believe this "messenger" constantly reminded him of his deeds before he was saved bringing guilt on him. That is why when he asked God to take it away God said to him "My grace is sufficient". Gods grace covered his sins. He(God) didn't remember it anymore. "Don't worry what this messenger is saying,Paul. You have been covered by the blood of my Son. My grace is sufficient". What do you think,"SD456"?
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RE: The Paranormal, Ghosts and Demons - 4/17/2008 9:25:25 AM
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You cannot serve both God and satan at the same time. Those who try are wolves in sheeps clothing and not Christians who serve the risen Saviour.
Have you never seen a wolf among the sheep? They rip and tear at anything they can get their theeth into not unlike you.
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TJStarfire you have not caused me to sin.
James 4:11
Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge.
Romans 2:13
(For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
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RE: The Paranormal, Ghosts and Demons - 4/17/2008 9:35:25 AM
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So, I take it you don't believe that a Christian is indwelled with the Holy Spirit?
I believe just as our Lord did, that the Holy Spirit is another being that GOD sent to be the porter to watch over this planet until the Father and the Son return.
Mark 13:34
For the Son of Man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch.
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RE: The Paranormal, Ghosts and Demons - 4/17/2008 9:36:29 AM
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ORIGINAL: TJStarfire
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You cannot serve both God and satan at the same time. Those who try are wolves in sheeps clothing and not Christians who serve the risen Saviour.
Have you never seen a wolf among the sheep? They rip and tear at anything they can get their theeth into not unlike you.
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TJStarfire you have not caused me to sin.
James 4:11
Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge.
Romans 2:13
(For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
Do you realize you just defamed Tall_One and then proceeded to quote James 4:11? Wow! 
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RE: The Paranormal, Ghosts and Demons - 4/17/2008 11:23:26 AM
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Ever witness first hand unusual events that couldn't be explained? Ever saw what you thought to be a ghost?
I have had a couple of strange circumstances happen to me. When I was really young, it was thought that the house that we lived in was haunted and I would see this old lady floating around, a ghost, or more realistically a demon disguised as a ghost.
I lived in another apartment where a lot of strange things would happen; things falling off the wall for no reason, violence and crime happening down the street, fires, etc. Also thought to be demonic.
What have been your experiences and how did end up surviving these events?
Just a reminder of the topic of this thread.
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RE: The Paranormal, Ghosts and Demons - 4/17/2008 2:01:37 PM
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WesSavedByGrace
My apologies to you, TJS.
2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
I never lose sight of Christ's way.
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Regarding the paranormal, it is my belief that there is a demon behind every sinful act and thought.
I know that demons are every bit as real beings as the Holy Ghost and that people don't need outside interfierence to sin.
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