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RE: Men with Pierced Ears - 8/19/2007 3:25:08 PM
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humbleinspirit
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But it could be argued that pants are only for men as well, and yet women wear them all the time.
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RE: Men with Pierced Ears - 8/19/2007 4:10:09 PM
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But it could be argued that pants are only for men as well, and yet women wear them all the time.
We wear them to get around that pesky requirement that we wear hose LOL!
But I think earrings are still in the "from female only" transition stage.
Proof: Any office you go to, will allow their female employees to wear pants. But men would still have to be careful and ASK before wearing their earrings. And true, women still need to wear a skirt or a dress for that job interview, but they can wear pants when they are hired, no problem.
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RE: Men with Pierced Ears - 8/19/2007 4:18:11 PM
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In the Bible slaves used to wear earrings, both and women, so I have to disagree with you.
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RE: Men with Pierced Ears - 8/19/2007 4:20:56 PM
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I don't disapprove of earrings, your honorable "Humbleness," but take a look at the "office acid test" I just edited with.
Still disagree?
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RE: Men with Pierced Ears - 8/19/2007 8:56:11 PM
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Well we are talking professional "corporate" environments now. There is a conservative dress, but I still think women can wear pants to an interview, but thats another topic though. Maybe I will start one on this.
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RE: Men with Pierced Ears - 8/19/2007 9:27:08 PM
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ROFLOL!
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RE: Men with Pierced Ears - 8/19/2007 9:51:56 PM
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my church:
in the summer, the preacher usually wears shorts and a t shirt.
we have an awesome outreach, and are constantly getting new members,,,, new to the faith, rich, poor, young, old, single, married. The church keeps growing, we had 2 services, then 3, a new church was just built, it is already filled up, the sermons are also live via satellite..... if you are a member, and choose to judge someone because they are wearing an earing... this might not be the church for you.
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RE: Men with Pierced Ears - 8/19/2007 10:48:50 PM
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No one's judging anyone.
We all know people who would be offended by the shorts, and T-Shirt, though! You do too, Doer, which is all we're saying.
The OP was asking what were his chances of offending people with the earring. My own opinion was that this particular "fashion statement" is "in transition" and not quite acceptable yet.
Yes, a preacher who isn't wearing a suit and tie is another thing that "is changing" but isn't completely changed yet.
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RE: Men with Pierced Ears - 8/20/2007 7:32:56 AM
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My brother, after graduating from Ft Wayne bible college (now tayler university) applied for a pastoring job at a local mennonite church. he was very qualified, and would have been soooo good.
He was turned down NOT because he wore an earring...... he was turned down because someone new that at one time in his life he had his ear pierced.
this was a big blow to him, and this is why he stopped pursuing the calling.
I am not good with that "what other people will think" stuff
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RE: Men with Pierced Ears - 8/20/2007 8:04:45 AM
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We all know people who would be offended by the shorts, and T-Shirt, though! You do too, Doer, which is all we're saying.
Maybe that it a benefit of wearing vestments. They could be in their underwear and no one would even know.
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RE: Men with Pierced Ears - 8/21/2007 1:11:41 AM
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You can't expect people to submit to your leadership, if they are honestly offended about pierced ears on men. Rightly or wrongly, my own grandmother would be very, very upset to see that.
It's hurtful to be on the receiving end of something that feels unfair, but this is genuinely UPSETTING to people. I can hear my own grandma now "Pierced ears are for WOMEN -- he's a MAN!" And get more and more agitated and worked up.
Leadership still has to present itself in a very conservative manner, to earn respect and to be effective. Casual environments like the one you describe, Doer, are the exception and not the rule, and the membership has much more in common with each other. But most churches have people like my grandma, and these people need and deserve leadership they can respect. They need their pastors to be clean-shaven, with a conservative, short haricut, and to wear a suit, dress shirt, and tie. It's loving and wise for our OP to want to LEAD by, well, LEADING!
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RE: Men with Pierced Ears - 8/21/2007 5:43:04 AM
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people need and deserve leadership they can respect. They need their pastors to be clean-shaven, with a conservative, short haricut, and to wear a suit, dress shirt, and tie
that soooooooo doesn't describe Jesus.... what did the people of His time deserve?
at my parent's church, they feel they need only rich/wealthy people to be in charge, and some members would be outraged if a simple carpenter were to take some role in leadership.
People deserve to learn about the truth from a person with a pure heart that loves Jesus.
Gal 1:10 For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ
what do the people deserve?
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RE: Men with Pierced Ears - 8/21/2007 9:57:08 PM
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Doer, I agree with you, remember? I said I don't think it should matter. It doesn't matter to me.
I just don't think our more conservatives brothers and sisters should be ignored. Prayed for, perhaps, but not ignored. And I can see where leadership would want to accommodate these people, so they can be taught.
Sometimes people are old fashioned, and in LOVE you accommodate them. Paul became as the Jews when with Jews, and as the Gentiles when with Gentiles, pleasing people for their good. He was THEN able to teach both Jews and Gentiles this way.
That's what I mean!
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RE: Men with Pierced Ears - 8/22/2007 12:58:59 AM
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pray for them yes.
there is a good quality about good wholesome tradition, and strong moral values. I am careful that my clothes, or appearance does not offend a weaker brother, but I have little understanding and almost no tolerance when the line is crossed. when the love of Jesus is replaced with the "lifestyle" The lifetyle is the comfort zone of religion.
Maybe not everyone sees this the way I do because I was brought up a good Mennonite boy surrounded by amish.
I remember when we got our first tv...it was kept in the dining room, and was covered by a table cloth. that way when people came over we could hide the tv.
maybe earrings on men are a little more accepted than say, 30 years ago, but when I see someone coming into my church that is dressed a little different from what might be normal, my immediate reaction is I must go greet that person and make them feel welcome.
Jam 2:1 My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism.
Jam 2:2 For if a man comes into your assembly with a gold ring and dressed in fine clothes, and there also comes in a poor man in dirty clothes,
Jam 2:3 and you pay special attention to the one who is wearing the fine clothes, and say, "You sit here in a good place," and you say to the poor man, "You stand over there, or sit down by my footstool,"
Jam 2:4 have you not made distinctions among yourselves, and become judges with evil motives?
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RE: Men with Pierced Ears - 8/22/2007 1:16:26 AM
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But it could be argued that pants are only for men as well, and yet women wear them all the time.
How could that be argued? Jesus didn't wear slacks and in today's society women do wear slacks all the time. Little boys used to wear dresses until they graduated to knickers.
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RE: Men with Pierced Ears - 8/22/2007 1:48:25 AM
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maybe earrings on men are a little more accepted than say, 30 years ago, but when I see someone coming into my church that is dressed a little different from what might be normal, my immediate reaction is I must go greet that person and make them feel welcome.
I agree!
I also just know how genuinely UPSET some of our "elders" (as in older bros & sisters) get when they see something they consider "effeminate" -- it is frightening, and upsetting, threatening even, and if the person wearing the earring were the pastor, well, they just wouldn't listen to that man. Not good, if you happen to be trying to teach them.
This is a burden of being in leadership, not simple church attendance.
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RE: Men with Pierced Ears - 8/22/2007 6:21:41 PM
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I think that in a situation such as this, it depends on your reasoning for it. Is there a specific verse that states we are to not pierce our ears? No. But I do think that tattoos, ear piercings, etc. depend on why you want to and do it. If it is for unGodly reasons, then you might want to reconsider. The hard thing is that most things we do are for the wrong reasons.
I read once on another website....I'll try to find the link....that if we ask ourselves the question "Am I doing this to please God?" and the answer is no, then we shouldn't be doing it.
Any thoughts on that last line?
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RE: Men with Pierced Ears - 8/22/2007 7:34:03 PM
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I think that in a situation such as this, it depends on your reasoning for it. Is there a specific verse that states we are to not pierce our ears? No. But I do think that tattoos, ear piercings, etc. depend on why you want to and do it. If it is for unGodly reasons, then you might want to reconsider. The hard thing is that most things we do are for the wrong reasons.
I read once on another website....I'll try to find the link....that if we ask ourselves the question "Am I doing this to please God?" and the answer is no, then we shouldn't be doing it.
Any thoughts on that last line?
My ears were looooooooooooooooooong before I became a Chirstan
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RE: Men with Pierced Ears - 8/23/2007 7:46:44 PM
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But it could be argued that pants are only for men as well, and yet women wear them all the time.
How could that be argued? Jesus didn't wear slacks and in today's society women do wear slacks all the time. Little boys used to wear dresses until they graduated to knickers.
I don't want to get off-topic so I will only say that once upon a time only men wore jeans, not women. Once upon a time only men wore suits, not women. Then one day women decided that they "should" wear this clothing which were made for men. Then they made women's styles for this.
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RE: Men with Pierced Ears - 8/24/2007 7:31:53 AM
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yes Mike, I remember those days,
it has become almost like a double standard in that women can be and do all the things that would (longer ago) describe the dress, position, roll, attire of a man, and yet ...........
a woman wearing a cowboy outfit is not called a cross dresser.
but a man who wears 1 earing??? hmmmm
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RE: Men with Pierced Ears - 8/25/2007 7:19:52 AM
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Thanks Doer. Not sure if the OP minds being off-topic, however it does seem to relate though. It seems like a regular thing for women to wear men's clothing. Sometimes they will even shop in the men's section because they fit better.
BTW, I will happily start a new thread if this is indeed off-topic.
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RE: Men with Pierced Ears - 8/25/2007 10:19:18 PM
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Maybe I should, however I have started a similar thread in the past that didn't go over so well though. It is probably better that I don't.
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RE: Men with Pierced Ears - 8/27/2007 6:11:59 PM
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Or as I call it, "a tank top."
All wife beaters are tank tops, but not all tank tops are wife beaters.
my sister and i call hers "husband beaters"
as for the earrings... in old testament when a man chose to remain someones slave instead of freedom, after at most seven years of servitude, the master would stand the slave against the door of his house and pierce his ear to the door, symbolizing that the man and his family would be the master's slaves forever. This is the reason I say "no" to men having piercings.
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