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RE: UFC not Christian, not Biblical. - 8/24/2007 9:10:01 PM
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Timcp
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But if the Bible doesn't specifically say something is o.k. then it has to be wrong?
Proverbs 3:30 cuts right to the source. Striving. That's fighting, arguing.
If you continue to "hang out" with these people who don't believe after you've told them about Jesus Christ.
Then you run the risk of loosing your salt, because if you stay steadfast for Jesus and everything you say is Christian, they won't want to hang out with you.
John Ch 15.
18 If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.
19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.
20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.
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RE: UFC not Christian, not Biblical. - 8/24/2007 9:27:48 PM
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But if the Bible doesn't specifically say something is o.k. then it has to be wrong?
Proverbs 3:30 cuts right to the source. Striving. That's fighting, arguing.
However you then gave verses that supported your belief and all those verses were directed at those who want to hurt a person for some particular reason and not at those who fight competitively to prove/show their skills. There is a difference.
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If you continue to "hang out" with these people who don't believe after you've told them about Jesus Christ.
Then you run the risk of loosing your salt, because if you stay steadfast for Jesus and everything you say is Christian, they won't want to hang out with you.
So you just give up and walk away if they don't accept what you have to say the first time you say it?
I agree that if you feel yourself getting draged down and falling away from God then you should walk away, but that doesn't mean you should push all non-Christians away for fear that they may pull you away from God.
1 Corinthians 10:13
There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.
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RE: UFC not Christian, not Biblical. - 8/24/2007 9:32:52 PM
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If you continue to "hang out" with these people who don't believe after you've told them about Jesus Christ.
Unbelievable. You are so wrong.
I have a story, rather a testimony to tell, but I will be brief.
I have a friend, we have been friends for almost twenty years. The first ten he was not a Christian, and very adamant about the church being bad. Through it all I stuck with him. And through the years we would talk, and debate, and talk some more.
Of course I'm leaving a lot out, for I want to be brief. But this day he is very active in the church; leading mens bible study groups, and working with the pastor and elders.
He is a changed person because I had faith; I planted the seed, the Lord blessed, and now he is saved.
By your thinking I should have left him by the wayside. If I had he would be certainly on his way to hell, and I would have been the cause.
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RE: UFC not Christian, not Biblical. - 8/24/2007 9:42:48 PM
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Out of curiousity, are you a newly saved Christian? Have you been a part of boxing type sports?
I am curious to know because that can explain a lot to us that are trying to understand why you believe competitive sports, such as UFC, is so bad and goes against God.
You revolve around the same verse pretty much, and it really does not justify what you are trying to get across. If every little thing had been written in the Bible, than it would probably take the moon to hold it. The Bible gives us basic morals, and rights and wrongs, and through the Holy Spirit we are guided and led to where the Lord would have us.
Would prison ministries than be wrong..? Christians are surrounded by the worst of the worst... Some accept the Lord while others do not. Should we than just wipe our feet and never return..?
But really, help us to understand where you are coming from.
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RE: UFC not Christian, not Biblical. - 8/24/2007 9:53:30 PM
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However you then gave verses that supported your belief and all those verses were directed at those who want to hurt a person for some particular reason and not at those who fight competitively to prove/show their skills. There is a difference.
The verses are directed towards Christians participating as fans or combatants in a fight.
Proverbs doesn't differentiate from proving your skills. It says you should only fight if someone tries to do you harm.
If it is for any other reason then self defense, than fighting isn't Biblical.
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ORIGINAL: Hiker02So you just give up and walk away if they don't accept what you have to say the first time you say it?
I agree that if you feel yourself getting draged down and falling away from God then you should walk away, but that doesn't mean you should push all non-Christians away for fear that they may pull you away from God.
1 Corinthians 10:13
There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.
2 Thessalonians
6 Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.
14 And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed.
15 Yet count him not as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother.
So you aren't to hang out with people who aren't receptive.
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RE: UFC not Christian, not Biblical. - 8/24/2007 9:56:14 PM
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Unbelievable. You are so wrong.
I have a story, rather a testimony to tell, but I will be brief.
I have a friend, we have been friends for almost twenty years. The first ten he was not a Christian, and very adamant about the church being bad. Through it all I stuck with him. And through the years we would talk, and debate, and talk some more.
Of course I'm leaving a lot out, for I want to be brief. But this day he is very active in the church; leading mens bible study groups, and working with the pastor and elders.
He is a changed person because I had faith; I planted the seed, the Lord blessed, and now he is saved.
By your thinking I should have left him by the wayside. If I had he would be certainly on his way to hell, and I would have been the cause.
matthew
That's great. But did you go out and drink with him and party with him. 2 John says not to be partaker with other mens sins. That is what I meant.
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RE: UFC not Christian, not Biblical. - 8/24/2007 10:08:14 PM
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I had watched the UFC, however, I started to question everything I did in life, including watching the UFC. And searching the Bible, I came to the realization that it isn't Biblical. I started asking online to see what others thought, because that helps tremendously.
Proverbs is pretty hard to go against. I mean it depends on what denomination or thought process your coming from. I believe the Bible can interpret itself. And in order to see what a word means, it will be defined in other parts of the Bible. That is why I quote from Psalms and Exodus.
Prison ministry is probably one of the most needed places to work for the Lord.
If your friend went to strip clubs, bars, whatever and you went with him and enjoyed it. Then how can that show him what it is like to be a Christian. That's what I meant.
I don't know how you witness, but from what I see at the singles ministry a lot of Christians (especially High Schoolers) are infected by the world. And the UFC can aid in this.
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Out of curiousity, are you a newly saved Christian? Have you been a part of boxing type sports?
I am curious to know because that can explain a lot to us that are trying to understand why you believe competitive sports, such as UFC, is so bad and goes against God.
You revolve around the same verse pretty much, and it really does not justify what you are trying to get across. If every little thing had been written in the Bible, than it would probably take the moon to hold it. The Bible gives us basic morals, and rights and wrongs, and through the Holy Spirit we are guided and led to where the Lord would have us.
Would prison ministries than be wrong..? Christians are surrounded by the worst of the worst... Some accept the Lord while others do not. Should we than just wipe our feet and never return..?
But really, help us to understand where you are coming from.
matthew
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RE: UFC not Christian, not Biblical. - 8/24/2007 10:15:11 PM
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ironsharpensiron
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Then you run the risk of loosing your salt, because if you stay steadfast for Jesus and everything you say is Christian, they won't want to hang out with you
That's not necessarily true, the part about staying steadfast and they don't want to hang out any longer. I have had countless opportunities with non Christians because I was steadfast, and never judgemental. Matter of fact, if they needed help with any problem I was the first they would come to. I would answer them honestly, and as a friend. Seeds were always planted, and yes, even in dance clubs! (Now I'm showing my age!) 
Some of the people over the years have come to know the Lord, others have not. But I never judged them, but shown them the truth in love~~and sometimes while they were drinking and smoking!
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RE: UFC not Christian, not Biblical. - 8/24/2007 10:24:36 PM
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Combativeness, sport, competition, condoning adults, none of this is said in Proverbs.
Neither is stinking up the washroom and lots of people find that offensive. "Condoning adults?", what does that even mean? You make about as much sense as trying to to say that the sky is blue because the grass is green.
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RE: UFC not Christian, not Biblical. - 8/24/2007 10:28:04 PM
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I don't believe that many people are getting saved at UFC events.
While I certainly will not say, no one can be saved at a UFC event – I do not believe that many people are being saved at UFC events. If people are getting saved — Praise the Lord! If people are getting saved, it is for factors outside the UFC, such as someone "witnessing" and "praying" for that person. It’s because that person has at some time heard the "preaching" of the word of God.
But I can not believe many people are getting saved at UFCs, for the following 3 reasons from the word of God:
"For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe." 1 Corinthians 1:21
This is God’s method. He hasn’t changed. God does not lie. (Titus 1:2) Every revival in history, bar none, came through the preaching of God’s word – Torrey, Sunday, Moody, Spurgeon, Wesley, et. al.
Most UFC events have no preaching and no preacher present! Except the few Christian fighters who thank God because they win.
"How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher" (Romans 10:14)
Notice "without a preacher", not a fighter, not an entertainer – a preacher!
"So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God." (Romans 10:17)
The word of God is the instrument of saving faith –not a fist fight!
As far as staying steadfast, the world won't like you if you're for Jesus, the world hated Jesus and they will hate you too.
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Then you run the risk of loosing your salt, because if you stay steadfast for Jesus and everything you say is Christian, they won't want to hang out with you
That's not necessarily true, the part about staying steadfast and they don't want to hang out any longer. I have had countless opportunities with non Christians because I was steadfast, and never judgemental. Matter of fact, if they needed help with any problem I was the first they would come to. I would answer them honestly, and as a friend. Seeds were always planted, and yes, even in dance clubs! (Now I'm showing my age!)
Some of the people over the years have come to know the Lord, others have not. But I never judged them, but shown them the truth in love~~and sometimes while they were drinking and smoking!
matthew
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That's great. But did you go out and drink with him and party with him. 2 John says not to be partaker with other mens sins. That is what I meant.
That's great, the Lord used you then.
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RE: UFC not Christian, not Biblical. - 8/24/2007 10:30:15 PM
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Thank you for sharing your story, it does help a lot in understanding where you are coming from.
I grew up in the ministers home, but that is a story for another day. believe me, I've seen it all.
I might say, and it was stated somewhere in the thread, that a sin or something that can cause another Christian to sin varies from individual. What is tempting and bad for me may not be for you or someone else. Take rock music for instance...I was growing up when the church was telling everyone to burn the records of the devil. Well, years later, some people actually regretted they had done that. The rock music wasn't necessarily the problem, the real issue was what led each one of them astray. For some it was rock music, for others food, and so on.
I guess what I am trying to say, and trying to be brief, is that I commend you for seeing that boxing type stuff isn't for you and it isn't what the Lord would have you doing with your time. That's great! God knows that that is a weakness in your life, as you said about leading you to gamble. And in your case, it is a good thing to not watch or have anything to do with it.
But I have to say that that might not be a weakness for others. God knows this and deals with people on an individual bases. So, if you and I were hanging out and boxing came on, I'd turn the channel. Simple as that, because I know that that is a weakness in your life and that I would not want to lead you astray in watching it with you around.
Again, thank you for being open. It does help in understanding where you are coming from. Always remember though, what might cause you to sin or be tempted to may not be for your nieghbor.
I hope this has helped.
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RE: UFC not Christian, not Biblical. - 8/24/2007 10:31:21 PM
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Combativeness, sport, competition, condoning adults, none of this is said in Proverbs.
Neither is stinking up the washroom and lots of people find that offensive. "Condoning adults?", what does that even mean? You make about as much sense as trying to to say that the sky is blue because the grass is green.
That was a response that I was given from another thread about the UFC. It's ok because they're condoning adults.
No need for sarcasm, we're all Christians here, right?
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RE: UFC not Christian, not Biblical. - 8/24/2007 10:38:14 PM
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Your welcome.
Your Dad's a minister? That's great.
Please ask him if you don't know.
Because your response is exactly what I don't get.
Please, don't read this as being mean, but when I hear pastors on the radio talk about witnessing to non believers or hear what my dad has to say about witnessing to my family.
Is that the non believers response is eerily the same as yours, they all say "Well, what is good for you, is good for you and what's good for me is good for me."
Where does your view come from in the Bible?
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Thank you for sharing your story, it does help a lot in understanding where you are coming from.
I grew up in the ministers home, but that is a story for another day. believe me, I've seen it all.
I might say, and it was stated somewhere in the thread, that a sin or something that can cause another Christian to sin varies from individual. What is tempting and bad for me may not be for you or someone else. Take rock music for instance...I was growing up when the church was telling everyone to burn the records of the devil. Well, years later, some people actually regretted they had done that. The rock music wasn't necessarily the problem, the real issue was what led each one of them astray. For some it was rock music, for others food, and so on.
I guess what I am trying to say, and trying to be brief, is that I commend you for seeing that boxing type stuff isn't for you and it isn't what the Lord would have you doing with your time. That's great! God knows that that is a weakness in your life, as you said about leading you to gamble. And in your case, it is a good thing to not watch or have anything to do with it.
But I have to say that that might not be a weakness for others. God knows this and deals with people on an individual bases. So, if you and I were hanging out and boxing came on, I'd turn the channel. Simple as that, because I know that that is a weakness in your life and that I would not want to lead you astray in watching it with you around.
Again, thank you for being open. It does help in understanding where you are coming from. Always remember though, what might cause you to sin or be tempted to may not be for your nieghbor.
I hope this has helped.
matthew
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RE: UFC not Christian, not Biblical. - 8/24/2007 10:55:10 PM
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If in your conscience you feel that physical contests are sinful, then don't watch them and I won't watch them or talk about them when you are around, thus causing you to stumble. However, don't use the Bible as your basis for this, because it just doesn't teach such a thing.
This pretty much sums it all up.
matthew
But where is this in the Bible?
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RE: UFC not Christian, not Biblical. - 8/24/2007 10:55:13 PM
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However you then gave verses that supported your belief and all those verses were directed at those who want to hurt a person for some particular reason and not at those who fight competitively to prove/show their skills. There is a difference.
The verses are directed towards Christians participating as fans or combatants in a fight.
Proverbs doesn't differentiate from proving your skills. It says you should only fight if someone tries to do you harm.
What I meant to say is that the verses from Exodus and Psalms used the word "strive" in a way that doesn't include competitive fighting. It was directed toward those who want to hurt someone unjustly.
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So you aren't to hang out with people who aren't receptive.
Do you think people are going to automatically be receptive toward your views?
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RE: UFC not Christian, not Biblical. - 8/24/2007 10:57:05 PM
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I don't believe that many people are getting saved at UFC events.
While I certainly will not say, no one can be saved at a UFC event – I do not believe that many people are being saved at UFC events. If people are getting saved — Praise the Lord! If people are getting saved, it is for factors outside the UFC, such as someone "witnessing" and "praying" for that person. It’s because that person has at some time heard the "preaching" of the word of God.
But I can not believe many people are getting saved at UFCs, for the following 3 reasons from the word of God:
"For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe." 1 Corinthians 1:21
This is God’s method. He hasn’t changed. God does not lie. (Titus 1:2) Every revival in history, bar none, came through the preaching of God’s word – Torrey, Sunday, Moody, Spurgeon, Wesley, et. al.
Most UFC events have no preaching and no preacher present! Except the few Christian fighters who thank God because they win.
"How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher" (Romans 10:14)
Notice "without a preacher", not a fighter, not an entertainer – a preacher!
"So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God." (Romans 10:17)
The word of God is the instrument of saving faith –not a fist fight!
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Then you run the risk of loosing your salt, because if you stay steadfast for Jesus and everything you say is Christian, they won't want to hang out with you
That's not necessarily true, the part about staying steadfast and they don't want to hang out any longer. I have had countless opportunities with non Christians because I was steadfast, and never judgemental. Matter of fact, if they needed help with any problem I was the first they would come to. I would answer them honestly, and as a friend. Seeds were always planted, and yes, even in dance clubs! (Now I'm showing my age!)
Some of the people over the years have come to know the Lord, others have not. But I never judged them, but shown them the truth in love~~and sometimes while they were drinking and smoking!
matthew
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That's great. But did you go out and drink with him and party with him. 2 John says not to be partaker with other mens sins. That is what I meant.
That's great, the Lord used you then.
So the Lord used him even though he was sinning against him?
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RE: UFC not Christian, not Biblical. - 8/24/2007 10:58:17 PM
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None of you have been able to use the Bible to say that sport fighting is Biblical.
So what. You're the one making the charge against it, you're the one that should be providing evidence against it, something you have repeatedly failed to do.
And you still haven't answered my question.
Do you think that any contact sport is not biblical based on your "arguments" (if you can even call them that.)
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RE: UFC not Christian, not Biblical. - 8/24/2007 10:59:43 PM
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That was a response that I was given from another thread about the UFC. It's ok because they're condoning adults.
No need for sarcasm, we're all Christians here, right?
You do realize that you make absolutely no sense when you say "It's ok because they're condoning adults." right?
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RE: UFC not Christian, not Biblical. - 8/24/2007 11:01:39 PM
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What I meant to say is that the verses from Exodus and Psalms used the word "strive" in a way that doesn't include competitive fighting. It was directed toward those who want to hurt someone unjustly.
Exactly, and what do fighters always say? "I don't mean to hurt him" "It's for respect" "It's for honor" I heard one say "I have a mortgage"
Well, proverbs says you aren't to fight with someone unless they do you harm. If two fighters aren't meaning to harm each other, there is no reason for self defense. There is no cause to fight.
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Do you think people are going to automatically be receptive toward your views?
My quotes of scripture was in reference to the talk about witnessing and hanging out with sinners.
These views aren't something that Christians would have to split over. In a similar way as people split in the Church and you end up with denominations. I heard my pastor give a sermon on the radio about glorified violence and he would agree.
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RE: UFC not Christian, not Biblical. - 8/24/2007 11:02:30 PM
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I don't believe that many people are getting saved at UFC events.
While I certainly will not say, no one can be saved at a UFC event – I do not believe that many people are being saved at UFC events. If people are getting saved — Praise the Lord! If people are getting saved, it is for factors outside the UFC, such as someone "witnessing" and "praying" for that person. It’s because that person has at some time heard the "preaching" of the word of God.
But I can not believe many people are getting saved at UFCs, for the following 3 reasons from the word of God:
"For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe." 1 Corinthians 1:21
This is God’s method. He hasn’t changed. God does not lie. (Titus 1:2) Every revival in history, bar none, came through the preaching of God’s word – Torrey, Sunday, Moody, Spurgeon, Wesley, et. al.
Most UFC events have no preaching and no preacher present! Except the few Christian fighters who thank God because they win.
"How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher" (Romans 10:14)
Notice "without a preacher", not a fighter, not an entertainer – a preacher!
"So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God." (Romans 10:17)
The word of God is the instrument of saving faith –not a fist fight!
Ok everyone.... excuse me... everyone, you MUST STOP SHOPPING AT SUPERMARKETS! There isn't enough people being saved at your local grocery store so we must condemn it because it isn't Biblical.
Please starve yourselves in fasting, asking that anyone that enters a supermarket will be saved. 
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RE: UFC not Christian, not Biblical. - 8/24/2007 11:05:36 PM
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That was a response that I was given from another thread about the UFC. It's ok because they're condoning adults.
No need for sarcasm, we're all Christians here, right?
You do realize that you make absolutely no sense when you say "It's ok because they're condoning adults." right?
Are you joking?
That is what someone else said to me on another thread. I put that in there in case one of you tried to use that too.
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RE: UFC not Christian, not Biblical. - 8/24/2007 11:11:29 PM
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Timcp
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So the Lord used him even though he was sinning against him?
He never said he was sinning, did he?
He could be one of a long line of people they talk to about God.
It's like when you quarry rock, it isn't the first slam of the sledge hammer that breaks down the rock, it is the countless slams.
So it is the same with people coming to the Lord. He could have been one of those slams that helped them along the way.
Look at Pharaoh, God was upset with Pharaoh, he wouldn't listen. So God used him in a divine way, although not in a way Pharaoh would have liked, I'm sure.
There could be consequences for clubbing that are coming to him. But I'm talking about fighting.
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RE: UFC not Christian, not Biblical. - 8/24/2007 11:14:53 PM
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Timcp
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None of you have been able to use the Bible to say that sport fighting is Biblical.
So what. You're the one making the charge against it, you're the one that should be providing evidence against it, something you have repeatedly failed to do.
And you still haven't answered my question.
Do you think that any contact sport is not biblical based on your "arguments" (if you can even call them that.)
Proverbs 3:30
It speaks against fighting, that is what striving is.
As far as football, I don't watch it.
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RE: UFC not Christian, not Biblical. - 8/24/2007 11:20:31 PM
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ironsharpensiron
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Oy vey!!
I have been involved in church work since I was a kid. Missions, teaching, evangelizing, you name it, I've probably done it. I have seen a lot, been part of a lot, and heard a lot. Since you are young I will give you props for staying true to what you believe, although you are really grasping at straws here, and probably not fully understanding God's Holy Word as a whole.
But is there more to this perhaps. I wonder if you are recieving good mentorship at your local church~~mainly because you brought up denominations as kinda being wrong (at least that is what I gathered on that brief statement).
You seem to be all over the board here. I want to help, as do many here on this thread I'm sure, but you do not seem to want to listen to reason or try to understand what we are communicating here.
It's great that you are passionate, but even this might lead you astray, and cause others to fall away or never come to the Lord at all.
In everything, say and do it in love.
matthew
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RE: UFC not Christian, not Biblical. - 8/24/2007 11:26:30 PM
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Timcp
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You are reading into my posts.
I simply said because people differ doesn't mean you have to split, that's it. I never said denominations are wrong.
Everything I believe is based on scripture, if you think I'm not listening, it's because no one has provided any Bible verses themselves to back up what they're saying. I'm getting sarcasm. Or opinion.
If I'm going to listen it has to be Bible based.
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Oy vey!!
I have been involved in church work since I was a kid. Missions, teaching, evangelizing, you name it, I've probably done it. I have seen a lot, been part of a lot, and heard a lot. Since you are young I will give you props for staying true to what you believe, although you are really grasping at straws here, and probably not fully understanding God's Holy Word as a whole.
But is there more to this perhaps. I wonder if you are recieving good mentorship at your local church~~mainly because you brought up denominations as kinda being wrong (at least that is what I gathered on that brief statement).
You seem to be all over the board here. I want to help, as do many here on this thread I'm sure, but you do not seem to want to listen to reason or try to understand what we are communicating here.
It's great that you are passionate, but even this might lead you astray, and cause others to fall away or never come to the Lord at all.
In everything, say and do it in love.
matthew
< Message edited by Timcp -- 8/25/2007 9:09:58 AM >
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