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RE: Masturbation - One Stop Thread - 7/17/2007 12:49:29 PM
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DaveW
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Just wondering. Would "M" affect physical intimacy with your future spouse in the future in any way? It could. OTOH, maybe not. It depends on a multitude of factors, not the least of which is the attutude of the future wife. But, since a majority of single women M as well, that may not be much of an issue.
More important is your attutude toward the sex drive, is it your friend or your foe. If foe, you will have problems whether you M or not.
If you combine porn with it, that will definately have a negative impact.
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RE: Masturbation - One Stop Thread - 7/24/2007 2:21:38 AM
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Tamay does NOT EQUAL SIN!!!. If you are really believing what you are saying, then you believe that marital sex is evil. It seperates us from God. You also believe that childbirth is evil as it renders a woman unclean for weeks. Her menses is evil as it renders her unclean for 7 days. Having an infected sore is evil because it also renders one Tamay.
The fact is marital intercourse is COMMANDED in both testaments God commanded people to become Tamay. There is a whole book of the bible (Song of Solomon) devoted to sexual pleasure. "Unclean" cannot be inherently sinful. It just means that you are restricted from taking part in ceremonial worship.
Let me clarify my position. Firstly, I did not say that sex was evil--nor is childbirth, menstruation, or infective sores for that matter. Sex, as God created and intended it--within the confines of marriage between husband and wife--is “very good” (Genesis 1:31)! However, sex can be associated with evil practices that God forbids, including idolatry (Exodus 32:3-8, 25); fornication and adultery (Matthew 19:9; Deuteronomy 22:22-24); incest (Leviticus 18:6); prostitution (Leviticus 19:29); sodomy (Leviticus 20:13), bestiality (Leviticus 20:15-16); bigamy and polygamy (Leviticus 18:18; Deuteronomy 17:17); rape (Deuteronomy 22:25-27); pornography (Numbers 33:52; Ezekiel 23:14-17), abortion (Leviticus 18:21); covetousness (Ephesians 5:3-7; Colossians 3:5) etc. And this leads to the possible--even probable in my opinion--conclusion that masturbation is also wrong and would be akin to prostitution or illicit sex (Ezekiel 16:17; cf Jeremiah 3:9).
Secondly, the purity laws concerning sex (Leviticus 15:16-18) and nocturnal emissions (Deuteronomy 23:10-11) cited illustrate that such are--at times unavoidable--sources of “contamination” or “pollution” (Strongs 2930--Hebrew “tame”). Even many health experts and studies in the medical industry have supported the numerous Biblical prescriptions and prohibitions as a timeless source of health and hygiene. For instance, those sick with communicable diseases are quarantined or isolated; sexually transmitted diseases (STDs) can occur via contact with semen or blood of an infected person; contact with, and consumption of, “unclean meats” is a primary cause of numerous diseases; avoiding contact with human excrement likewise prevents disease; etc. Of course, wilful violation of any Bible law is sin; but impurity is not associated with sinfulness; hence, marital sex, seminal emissions, menstruation, childbirth, contact with a corpse or sick person are not sinful acts per se, but all are causes of impurity.
Thirdly, it is my opinion that in an ideal, loving marriage husbands and wives would follow the Biblical prescription to mutually provide sexual satisfaction whenever required (1 Corinthians 7:3-5). This would surely prevent masturbation to a large extent, which is no doubt one reason for the apostle Paul to instruct unmarried and widowed Christians that “if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn” (1 Corinthians 7:9). The word translated as "contain" (Strongs 1467--Greek "egkrateuomai") means "to exercise self-restraint (in diet and chastity)" while the word translated as “burn” means “to be ignited” or “to be inflamed” (Strongs 4448--Greek “pyro”) --both truly pertinent descriptions of sex addiction (including masturbation) in my opinion! For ultimately “Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge” (Hebrews 13:5) The word translated “bed” (Strongs 2845--Greek “koit”) is from which we derive the word “coitus”. This reminds me of an insightful comment that relates to the subject at hand. God has commanded sex in marriage and prohibits it outside of marriage. So in our sin-laden society mankind looks upon the former as unexciting, while he glamorises the latter. And yet if God would have prohibited sex within marriage and sanctioned it outside of marriage it would probably be fair to say that mankind would have done the exact opposite! Such is the state of sin.
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RE: Masturbation - One Stop Thread - 7/24/2007 7:00:12 PM
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whilst doing situps and push ups I got aroused and ultimately this led to masturbation. I don't know if other guys face this problem too, but I know now that I have to refrain from doing sit ups especially or else the strain it puts on my lower abs will lead to orgasm.
I have experienced this type of reaction to exercises which put a strain on the lower abs and pelvic muscles. It is more likely to occur after long-term success in abstaining from M. I learned that if I wanted to avoid such hazards, I had to modify my fitness routine during times when I'm more susceptible. I don't think most guys have this kind of difficulty when working out or exercising. At one time, I wondered if maybe this type of reaction could be linked to a type of premature ejaculation syndrome, since it could occur while exercising without manual stimulation. In fact, I've even had other incidents of spontaneous losses of seed while simply being aroused with very little or no stimulation at all, certainly not purposefully M-ing. Now, I think it was just my poor judgment in not trying to distract myself from the feelings when I knew I was getting into trouble. It can't be premature ejaculation because it takes at least a week or two to get in such shape, and then I can manage to avoid it if I am careful. I know it probably sounds weird, but maybe I have a higher sensitivity level than average. Have any other men experienced this kind of challenge? Feel free to drop me a line and maybe we can discuss an accountable fitness routine or ways to avoid those difficult situations that strike for no good reason. Site members may use the e-mail in my profile. Others from outside may write to: iron_clad_warrior@yahoo.com
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RE: Masturbation - One Stop Thread - 7/26/2007 9:50:49 AM
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Just wondering. Would "M" affect physical intimacy with your future spouse in the future in any way?
Once again, this does not apply to me.
Yes it could. For one thing the sensation of the hand is much different from the sensation of the woman. You can get so used to yourself that no one else can please you.
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RE: Masturbation - One Stop Thread - 8/5/2007 12:49:07 AM
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I know a lot has been repeated because of the long thread but here are just a few quick veiws on this subject from what little I know concerning the Bible and sexual acts.
A lot has been said about LUST. Wikipedia.org defines lust as: any intense desire or craving for self gratification. In this sence lust can be wanting to buy Ice-Cream because you feel you really really want some Ice-Cream and it is going to make you feel so much better after a stressful day. With that said, lust is just an act of the flesh and as you know, it is impossible to control your thoughts to that degree.
Just hearing the word lust can bring inpure thoughts to you, I don't think that is any reason not to use the word. Masturbation may cause you to have lustfull thoughts, but what if these thoughts are about being with your wife? That would not be adultury because you are maried and If you are not watching Porn I don't see anything wrong with that.
However If you are thinking about someone who is not your spouse I can see how that would be considered wrong.
Another point I just wanted to make is the fact that masturbation, for both men and women, Is part of exploring your own body. This is a natrual thing and It would be hard for me to believe that there is anyone who has not at some point in their life explored their body it is only human curiousity and It is the body we are given for life so we may as well know the most about it as possible right?
Also by masturbating you can relieve stress. It also helps if you know what buttons to push, you can help your mate to know what works for you and what does not when expressing your love for each other.
As an action in its self, Masturbation is not wrong in my logic. Although the thoughts some may have while doing the act can be inpure, that is a mentality and has to be handled personally for each individual.
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RE: Masturbation - One Stop Thread - 8/6/2007 9:39:33 AM
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Thirdly, it is my opinion that in an ideal, loving marriage husbands and wives would follow the Biblical prescription to mutually provide sexual satisfaction whenever required (1 Corinthians 7:3-5). This would surely prevent masturbation to a large extent,
We are in complete agreement here, including the last phrase; at least for the married folk who have regular sex available to them.
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which is no doubt one reason for the apostle Paul to instruct unmarried and widowed Christians that “if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn”
I get that and it was great for that day when (if you read the Mishnah) it was common to marry at or just after puberty; in some cases before puberty. It specifically says that a marriage is binding if the couple has had intercourse and they both have reached the age of nine years and one day.
But what do you say to a 13 or 14 year old for whom marriage is not an option for about another decade? Do you realistically expect them to "contain" for that long? Thru the years of peak testosterone levels and peak drive?
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RE: Masturbation - One Stop Thread - 8/7/2007 7:03:35 AM
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I agree.
Prayer, scripture and deep
knowledge of the word will guide us
together with the grace to live more in the spirit
to subdue the flesh.
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RE: Masturbation - One Stop Thread - 8/10/2007 12:58:42 PM
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Would you feel comfortable urinating or defecating in front of the Lord? I would place masturbation in the calss of such private functions.
I entirely agree.
I'd also like to state that masturbation helps get rid of impure thoughts for me and anxiousness that builds up so I can move forward and do other things.
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Just wondering. Would "M" affect physical intimacy with your future spouse in the future in any way?
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Yes it could. For one thing the sensation of the hand is much different from the sensation of the woman. You can get so used to yourself that no one else can please you.
I havn't always obeyed the word of god and let me just say as someone who knows, This ain't ever gonna happen!!!
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RE: Masturbation - One Stop Thread - 8/15/2007 11:01:11 PM
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You know I had no idea this subject is as big as it is in Christian discussions. Its such an avoided topic at churches and groups that ...frankly I thought I was the only one with this problem. *(Mid 20's guy here)
I too become anxious and frustrated if I am unable to get rid of those urges - it really inhibits my ability to carry forward with my duties. I've often put off things just to take care of things b/c it was getting too much to handle - thoughts stray, I lose focus on the tasks at hand and so on. I really haven't seen anything about this, but i must have some crazy sex drive b/c i've had this problem since i was ...6 or 7 years old. From what I hear I think I must have some high sex drive...often more than 2 times a day I have to figure things out unless i'm very distracted with something.
I am relieved to find i'm not the only saved man that has a real issue with this. I am not married and do not have a girlfriend ...in fact i've had very few - only due to my reserved nature in this area and not ever really finding someone I connect with in the way i ought to imo.
I have had sex a few times in the past (which i regret) ...but that experience has not helped my problem...though i thought it would then - it has only made is a little worse. I don't know why i was given such a high sex drive, but i'm not sure i care for it ...it causes more trouble for me than I want. If i were not saved...i might love it - but it has been a source of torment for me. I wish I did not have it since i'm unmarried.
Now ...come marriage, i'm all for it so that i may please my wife ...but until then i feel its a curse.
I can't come to any real conclusion from what i've read in this forum...I suppose I need to keep praying about it ...
I stopped for 1 month...but then the urge became so strong I couldn't resist any longer, it was the longest i've gone since i was very young. I never felt it was wrong before...before I read "I Kissed Dating Goodbye" (forget author) and "Every man God's man" by Steve Arterburn - in these two books it put a negative light on the subject of masterbation...and at the time I felt maybe I was wrong and it is a sin.
Seems most of you don't really know either...that in itself is a comfort in some strange way. For the longest time i felt I was alone in this ...since i never discussed matters of this nature with anyone - even closest of friends...the topic has always been off limits.
End rant ...i suppose.
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RE: Masturbation - One Stop Thread - 8/16/2007 12:15:03 AM
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You can hold it back as much as you can hold back a sneeze. eventually you are going to have to let it out no matter what. It is as natural function of the body. lustfull thoughts may come with it, but I don't think it is healthy to go against your bodys normal functions. If you don't eat, You will just get more hungry. Once you have filled your stomache you don't think about eating for a while and then you can concentrate on what is important as you said.
I would agree you have a higher than normal sex drive, but depending on your age maybe it will drop later in life.
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RE: Masturbation - One Stop Thread - 8/16/2007 1:07:36 AM
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It's such a tough thing to deal with constantly every day. "no don't look at her like that" you say in your head and countless other reprimands. Then when the m word starts attacking you can barely hold on to the floor by the skin of your teeth, but you're fighting it as hard as you can. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, but you'd wish you could always win.
Hi...should have started with that I guess hehe. Names Nate and I've been "m"ing since I was really young. I probably had just recently started school, first grade, second grade, somewhere around there. Ever since then it's been a crazy road. I guess I'm not the only one with this story so I'll stop there and pick up in the present I suppose.
It's at the point in my life where I can't stand "m"ing especially afterwards. I fight it off by avoiding showers and staying up really late until I can't keep my eyes open. It doesn't work very well of course, mom tells me I stink and need a shower and...well my habits have adjusted to my new strategy. I just don't know what to do anymore. I don't know how to fight these urges. I know about the "it's natural" thing, but...man...I just don't want to anymore. I'm sick of it...I don't know what to do.
I don't want anyone to think that I'm attacking the subject of masturbation...that's not it at all, it's just that for me man I don't wanna do it anymore. Has anyone had any success deal with this or are we all just up the creek without a paddle? But like another posted it is a relief to find that there are so many others struggling with this.
I hope that we all find our way out.
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RE: Masturbation - One Stop Thread - 8/16/2007 1:44:43 AM
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well enigmastigma i didn't start until i think i was about 14 or 15. I dunno what the average age is that someone starts doing this. But I will tell you that I don't even really have a problem with it anymore. I used to feel bad after doing it, but I guess it just became a natural part of life for me. before I was saved I used to have a problem with porn however I ditched that long ago. It was not hard for me because the holy spirit moved in me to discard it from my life. Now I think it is discusting.
Masturbating Is a tough thing for many young men to deal with. I don't know how woman feel about it or deal with it themselves but I am sure they have similar frustrations with it so don't feel like it is only us guys that have to deal with this.
If it is really troubling you the best thing is to pray about it a lot! I have prayed about it a lot myself and have not been moved to feel that there is anything wrong with it. If you feel bad after doin it you must be feeling some sort of guilt. If that is the case maybe you think it is wrong. I think If you really pray about it, you will find your answer. I will pray for you also.
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RE: Masturbation - One Stop Thread - 8/16/2007 12:23:17 PM
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Yes many girls have similar struggles. One of the cruelest pieces of information I ever received was (during the time I considered M a sin and was really struggling to stop) a good female friend of mind confessed her own struggle with this to me.
What I read years back is the average age guys start M-ing is about 10-12. Most guys in their teens do it about once a day. There is some kind of Bell curve if graphed out of those who do it more and those who do it less. Some do stop but I suspect they are at the lower end of the curve and don't really need it as much to begin with.
What I found from my own struggles with this back in the day: no matter how much you pray, no matter how much you fast and study the word and try to keep your mind free from lust, the need for release does not go away. It is not a prayer that God answers in what we might consider a positive way. He designed sex and the need for it for our own good. You might as well pray for your physical appetite for food or air be taken away. He (in most cases) will not do it.
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RE: Masturbation - One Stop Thread - 8/16/2007 2:02:11 PM
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Mucho gracias gents,
Your advise is sound and I'll definitely take it into account, most definitely. I'll also be prayin about it as much as I can. Thanks for the prayers High_Hopes, just knowing you might gives me a bit of reserver strength. Thanks a ton.
enjoy,
Nate
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RE: Masturbation - One Stop Thread - 8/16/2007 2:59:34 PM
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Yes I too have found this discussion helpful. As I said, for many many years I never considered it a problem or felt dirty/guilty from it. Though lately I began to think maybe I had been wrong - the thread here has definitly helped me redefine my position on the matter. I do not find myself with lust in mind before, during or after - its primarily just some sort of stimulation....anyway.
Just as the rest of you will continue to pray on the matter, so will I. At least that i'm able to keep myself pure and reject temptation toward lustful thoughts. Talk about a tough subject...i'm rather anonymous here and I still don't like talking about this...
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RE: Masturbation - One Stop Thread - 8/17/2007 4:48:35 PM
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i believe if it is done to relieve a strong sex drive, it could be done with that one intent in mind, not in a lustful way, let's face it, sex is a physical sensation for us guys for the most part. I think I read once there is a chemical released after one releases himself, so for some it could be an addiction to this chemical in our body after one has relieved himself. hmmm, interesting topic.
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RE: Masturbation - One Stop Thread - 8/23/2007 4:15:03 PM
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Interesting thread. I was actually directed here from the moderator. Here's the question I had (please answer truthfully according to The Holy Bible).
If one read the Romans 2:17-24 and also Matthew 12:31-32, but still masturbated afterwards. Is this a forgivable sin or an unpardonable sin?
My original thread is here:
http://forums.crosswalk.com/Regarding_Romans_2%3a17-24/m_2633306/tm.htm
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RE: Masturbation - One Stop Thread - 8/24/2007 6:35:23 AM
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The Romans passage deals with legalism and duplicity, the Matthew verses on blaspheming the Holy Spirit. I do not see what any of that has to do with M.
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Is this a forgivable sin or an unpardonable sin?
You make an unsupported assumption first off that M is inherently sinful. I do not agree with that assumption. While it certainly CAN BE sinful, it is not always sinful.
Second, it seems you misunderstand what the unforgivable sin is. To blaspheme the HS, you must meet the criteria in the context of Jesus' warning:
Mat 12:22 Then a demon-oppressed man who was blind and mute was brought to him, and he healed him, so that the man spoke and saw.
Mat 12:23 And all the people were amazed, and said, "Can this be the Son of David?"
Mat 12:24 But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, "It is only by Beelzebul, the prince of demons, that this man casts out demons."
If you are attributing supernatural miracles of God as being devilish in origin with the intent of preventing people from responding to the gospel, then you are commiting the unpardonable sin. Anything other or less than that does not qualify.
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RE: Masturbation - One Stop Thread - 8/24/2007 11:11:21 AM
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i believe if it is done to relieve a strong sex drive, it could be done with that one intent in mind, not in a lustful way, let's face it, sex is a physical sensation for us guys for the most part. I think I read once there is a chemical released after one releases himself, so for some it could be an addiction to this chemical in our body after one has relieved himself. hmmm, interesting topic.
I personally see nothing wrong with masturbation if done for the right motives. I am in my mid 20s and a virgin by choice! If it were not for masturbation I could not do this alone lol
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RE: Masturbation - One Stop Thread - 8/25/2007 1:55:21 AM
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Dear DaveW,
Is masturbation -as you say in according to 1 Corinthians 10:13- really a flight for temptation ?
Is not masturbation an act of temptation itself?!
Your brother pim
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RE: Masturbation - One Stop Thread - 8/25/2007 2:13:13 AM
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Ok, so I'm a little confused here
Do yall think to "M" is a Sin or not?
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RE: Masturbation - One Stop Thread - 8/25/2007 5:47:17 AM
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A Sin:
From the beginning of the world there are sins. Every time you are in sins you are discreting God Who will have a eternal relation with you. It has the same effect if you break a bottle of milk. Milk can not be used again. It overshoots the mark: you can not drink this milk.
Some men/women think masturbation is allowed, other men/women think it is not good. The Holy Spirit makes clear what is good for you. So there is no receipt -not even in the Bible- that says it is good or not.
Onan wasted his seed -in relation with his brother's wife- to get no children (no indication whether
it was a sin or not...) [1 Chronicles 2:3]
Greetings,
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RE: Masturbation - One Stop Thread - 8/25/2007 6:01:23 AM
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Sorry, I did not read this text good.
It concerns Genesis 38 : 9: Onan wasted his seed in relation with Tamar, his brother's wife, so that she could not get pregnant.
Genesis 38 : 10: This was a sin in God's Eyes: God let him die...
Masturbation is waste of seed too....
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RE: Masturbation - One Stop Thread - 8/27/2007 6:27:30 AM
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Dear DaveW,
Is masturbation -as you say in according to 1 Corinthians 10:13- really a flight for temptation ?
Is not masturbation an act of temptation itself?!
1Co 10:13 No temptation has overtaken you that is not common to man. God is faithful, and he will not let you be tempted beyond your ability, but with the temptation he will also provide the way of escape, that you may be able to endure it.
What is clearly called sin in the bible: premarital sex. M is not mentioned specifically in the scriptures, and therefore cannot be called clearly sinful in and of itself. Other surrounding issues (lust, porn, etc) which are condemned biblically can certainly make M sinful.
If M can keep you from lusting for someone (wanting sex with HER, dwelling on HER in a sexual way) by satisfying the urge for orgasmic release, then it would seem to qualify 1 Cor 10.13 as a way of escape.
If you call the urge for release a temptation to sin, then you must define orgasm itself as sinful; an idea which I do not see supported in scripture.
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RE: Masturbation - One Stop Thread - 8/27/2007 6:33:57 AM
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Sorry, I did not read this text good.
It concerns Genesis 38 : 9: Onan wasted his seed in relation with Tamar, his brother's wife, so that she could not get pregnant.
Genesis 38 : 10: This was a sin in God's Eyes: God let him die...
Masturbation is waste of seed too.... If you are a guy. Those who condemn M do so for women as well, and there is no seed being spilled there.
What displeased God, Onan's sin was that of defrauding his deceased brother and Tamar of proper offspring. Read the text more closely: 38.9 tells us what the sin was: But Onan knew that the offspring would not be his. but had sex with her anyway. He just wanted some intimate fun with a good looking woman but did not want his older brother to have an heir. That way his double portion of inheretance would fall to him and not a child.
IOW: he wanted all the sex and all the $$ he could get. It was not about spilling seed.
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