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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 6/25/2008 6:39:28 PM
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BlessUsLord
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Well your quote said "most" [blacks], not just your sphere of family, friends, and neighbors. There's a big world out there 
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 6/25/2008 8:26:42 PM
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When you want to believe that racism is the forefront for most of your problems, then you have bought into a lie that that encourages victim mentality.
Racism was only a factor in me moving back to the 'hood, from the 'burbs at that time.
Certainly not the forefront for most of my problems.
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If we interpret it in merely racial terms, we miss what ought to be an obvious point: that humans are selfish, power-hungry sinners
I agree, racism is just another trick of the enemy.
I just also happen to think he uses it alot in US.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 6/26/2008 1:06:50 PM
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GrahamCracker
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If we interpret it in merely racial terms, we miss what ought to be an obvious point: that humans are selfish, power-hungry sinners
I agree, racism is just another trick of the enemy.
I just also happen to think he uses it alot in US.
Tracy,
I wish I knew what to tell you. Just about the time I think that people are getting past a racially oriented attitude, someone comes along with another story, bit of news or some comment I hear in passing.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 6/27/2008 1:17:31 AM
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tracydolls
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Tracy,
I wish I knew what to tell you. Just about the time I think that people are getting past a racially oriented attitude, someone comes along with another story, bit of news or some comment I hear in passing.
Graham,
Just admitting it is enough! I wish I knew what to do or say sometimes to people about race. Alot of my family is excited about BO, I find myself wanting to scream! No, he is not gonna solve all our racial problems, he's too confused about it.
Your right, I try to go days without thinking about race. If I turn on the TV, answer my phone, email,or IM's. It's over. I'm guaranteed to find at least one person talking about it.
All you can do is keep praying. For The Church, self, family, this country, and this world.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 6/27/2008 12:18:02 PM
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GrahamCracker
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Tracy,
I think you realize that most white people deplore acts done in the name of the "White Race." I have to honestly say, generally they keep such thoughts hidden even from the rest of us.
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When He said, "A new covenant," He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to disappear. (Heb 10:13)
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 6/29/2008 11:45:44 PM
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PaleHawkWoman
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I think what I get angry about concerning race,
1. the history revisionists.
There was no Slavery, or Holocaust, etc.
They are wrong, plain and simple.
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2. The lie that there is NO racism now.
FBI. com says Racial hate crimes have RISEN 10 percent since 2000.
By who and against who?
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3. Black people don't get credit for the good they have did, their inventions, etc.
All of February Black History Month-schools only talk about MLK.
Last I heard, there was no Comanche or Native American history month. If there is, it certainly doesn't get the notoriety of Black History Month.
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4. Even when in your face racism is pointed out, people say you are playing the "race card"
The question that you need to ask yourself is how long are you going to keep your ancestors as victims so that you can stay a victim? When will you start rejoicing over their victories and get yourself out of a victim mentality?
Actually, DenimDiva, November has been Native American History Month for nearly 2 decades now. I have had a tough time getting my children's schools to give it the same enthusiasm they give African American History Month, and this is probably Tennessee has so few Native folks living here so we have much less visibility and economic/political clout. TSU has invited us to participate in the African American Street fair this fall, tho, and I consider that encouraging.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 7/1/2008 12:21:34 PM
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Recognizing issues regarding Native Americans is problematic for the majority culture on a number of levels.
We aren't as "obvious" a minority. It's a joke among many of us how often we are mistaken for Hispanics, Asians...even Jews.
We are a very small minority. 2.8 million list ourselves as "Native American" on the census, with less than half that being federally recognized. Compare to 40 million African Americans. Also, African Americans are pretty much intermingled within majority society, while nearly half of federally recognized Native Americans live on reservations or settlements, most of which are far removed from major metropolitan areas. Out of sight, out of mind... (It's also much easier for Native Americans who want to deny their origins to "hide", than it is for African Americans. I look more Italian, Greek or Jewish than I do Native American, but then I'm also mixed blood with a Lebanese Arab mother.)
Less obvious is how problematic our existence is. There is no doubt that the abduction and enslavement of Africans was morally abhorrent. Yet they were enslaved to help the US expand and prosper. Conversely, the US entered into hundreds of legally binding treaties with the First Nations, very few of which have been honored properly. They have not been honored because doing so would have interfered with the expansion and prosperity of the US.
Now, when some of us point out the injustice of US treaty fulfillment, we get people saying ridiculous things like "We can't give back that land!" (No but you can tell the government to give us the money, health care, educational benefits and municipal support the treaties promise.)
It's simply more convenient to recognize Black History Month than Native American History Month. Few want to admit that there's $30 billion in unpaid debt owed to hundreds of tribes, along with increasing BIA budget and allotments for municipal infrastructures, education and health care, all of which are legal obligations based on congressionally ratified treaties. Even the National Museum of the American Indian glosses over the subject of atrocities and treaty violations.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 7/1/2008 1:08:15 PM
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Very few things get my dandruff up worse than so-called "racism." First of all, I don't accept society's term "race" when referring to people of different complexions. We are all one and the same race!
And please do not refer to me as an African-American. I've got FIVE different nationalities that I know of. I'm part Hispanic, part African, part Native American (Cherokee), part French, and part German. Therefore, I like to refer to myself as a Gold American -- which is actually just a little inside joke between family and friends.
Anyway, I thought I should edit this post, because some of the things I initially said were a bit over the top. Then again, I suppose some of it still is over the top, I don't know. Like I said, very few things upset me worse than what they call racism.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 7/3/2008 10:23:44 PM
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PaleHawkWoman
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Taking pride in my culture and people is not being racist. I was raised in a very distinct and different culture than most of my peers, a culture that developed in this land and has been here for tens of thousands of years. I am not white, black, hispanic, or asian, or any sub-culture of these. I'm Cherokee.
Nor do I argue that we are all of the human race- we Native Americans have been saying that since the beginning. We weren't recognized as human beings until 1924 when we were allowed to becomecitizens.
I have no problem with people being from different cultures. It would be ever so boring if everyone was alike. I wish some folks would quit thinking that "different" equates to "bad" and enjoy the variety the God Himself gave us.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 7/3/2008 10:37:32 PM
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solo_soprano22
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Very few things get my dandruff up worse than so-called "racism." First of all, I don't accept society's term "race" when referring to people of different complexions. We are all one and the same race!
And please do not refer to me as an African-American. I've got FIVE different nationalities that I know of. I'm part Hispanic, part African, part Native American (Cherokee), part French, and part German. Therefore, I like to refer to myself as a Gold American -- which is actually just a little inside joke between family and friends.
Anyway, I thought I should edit this post, because some of the things I initially said were a bit over the top. Then again, I suppose some of it still is over the top, I don't know. Like I said, very few things upset me worse than what they call racism.
It's called the one-drop rule. If one drop of you is African... YOU are too (African-American). I'm at least Irish, African, and Cherokee... but you know, I've got that one drop of African, so I'm just black. :)
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 7/3/2008 10:47:14 PM
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MrFribbles
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I have no problem with people being from different cultures. It would be ever so boring if everyone was alike. I wish some folks would quit thinking that "different" equates to "bad" and enjoy the variety the God Himself gave us.
Amen! Remember, in Revelation, we see people from every tongue, tribe and nation coming to praise God! It mentions nothing about all of them suddenly becoming a single culture! God celebrates in the unification of diversity, not a single uniform lock-step culture.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 7/4/2008 1:06:40 AM
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Very few things get my dandruff up worse than so-called "racism." First of all, I don't accept society's term "race" when referring to people of different complexions. We are all one and the same race!
And please do not refer to me as an African-American. I've got FIVE different nationalities that I know of. I'm part Hispanic, part African, part Native American (Cherokee), part French, and part German. Therefore, I like to refer to myself as a Gold American -- which is actually just a little inside joke between family and friends.
Anyway, I thought I should edit this post, because some of the things I initially said were a bit over the top. Then again, I suppose some of it still is over the top, I don't know. Like I said, very few things upset me worse than what they call racism.
It's called the one-drop rule. If one drop of you is African... YOU are too (African-American). I'm at least Irish, African, and Cherokee... but you know, I've got that one drop of African, so I'm just black. :)
That's why God is black, too! All it takes is one drop.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 7/4/2008 7:37:03 AM
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Christi!
I was going to pm you today because I found a product that has been amazing for my daughter's hair. It's Soft and Beautiful Just For Me (yes we have almost the entire line) creme conditioner and hairdress. I put it in her hair after her bath and have no problems combing through. Better than the detangler I've been using. You can buy it anywhere and it was about $3 when my SIL bought it for me in the US.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 7/4/2008 7:45:38 AM
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lexie
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First of all, I don't accept society's term "race" when referring to people of different complexions. We are all one and the same race!
And please do not refer to me as an African-American. I've got FIVE different nationalities that I know of. I'm part Hispanic, part African, part Native American (Cherokee), part French, and part German. Therefore, I like to refer to myself as a Gold American -- which is actually just a little inside joke between family and friends.
Where my husband is from the country's motto is "Out of many, one." It is rare to find someone from there who has a pure line of just one race throughout them. And most people would rather be known by the country, than by the races they are made up of.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 7/7/2008 6:19:14 AM
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If the color of someone's skin makes a difference to you...any difference...you are a fool.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 7/7/2008 1:08:52 PM
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DenimDiva
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If the color of someone's skin makes a difference to you...any difference...you are a fool.
agreed!
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 7/7/2008 1:12:15 PM
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rcjames
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Less obvious is how problematic our existence is. There is no doubt that the abduction and enslavement of Africans was morally abhorrent. Yet they were enslaved to help the US expand and prosper. Conversely, the US entered into hundreds of legally binding treaties with the First Nations, very few of which have been honored properly. They have not been honored because doing so would have interfered with the expansion and prosperity of the US.
I am sorry c_h_b, but I fail to understand your distinction; you say blacks were enslaved to help the Us to expand and proster. I must ask (that no matter how horrid it was) were not the treaties not kept for the same reason; expansion and prosperity.
But most of the Native Americas are getting ther come-upance (at least here in Oklsahoma) one pull at a time on their slot machines from the evil oberbearing white man.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 7/7/2008 11:22:17 PM
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But most of the Native Americas are getting ther come-upance (at least here in Oklsahoma) one pull at a time on their slot machines from the evil oberbearing white man.
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Um. Not the dead ones.
Those who own casinos are the decendants of a fraction of the original population, many of whom were killed, or sent to boarding schools (motto: kill the indian, save the man) that attempted to destroy culture (too often through sexual abuse).
I wouldn't call this "come-uppance."
Reconciliation might not be possible, given the extent of our (I am speaking as a white American) sin. Admitting our guilt is probably a good first step.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 7/8/2008 2:30:26 PM
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rcjames
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But most of the Native Americas are getting ther come-upance (at least here in Oklsahoma) one pull at a time on their slot machines from the evil oberbearing white man.
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Um. Not the dead ones.
Those who own casinos are the decendants of a fraction of the original population, many of whom were killed, or sent to boarding schools (motto: kill the indian, save the man) that attempted to destroy culture (too often through sexual abuse).
I wouldn't call this "come-uppance."
Reconciliation might not be possible, given the extent of our (I am speaking as a white American) sin. Admitting our guilt is probably a good first step.
So what would "Admitting our guilt" do fore those that are dead indians for they are either in Heaven and the past doesn't matter, or they are wishing they would have listened to the "White Man's Missionaries".
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 7/8/2008 4:00:37 PM
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PhunkD
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It won't do much for them.
But it will be good for us.
And a good way to start repairing our relationship with their descendants.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 7/8/2008 7:06:20 PM
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PaleHawkWoman
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But most of the Native Americas are getting ther come-upance (at least here in Oklsahoma) one pull at a time on their slot machines from the evil oberbearing white man.
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RC
Only a few of the federally-recognized tribes have casinos and only a few of those are turning more than a modest profit. State-recognized tribes are not allowed to have casinos or gambling ventures and neither are federally-recognized tribes in states which do not allow gaming/gambling or which have not agreed to allow the federally-recognized tribes within their borders to operate said gaming ventures. By federal law, the tribe and the state must enter into a gaming compact which often means that the tribe must pay taxes on the revenues from gaming to the state, must pay taxes on employees who are not tribal members, and must pay sales taxes for all supplies and goods purchased from off-reservation vendors.
It is definitely not a free ride.
I have objections to gaming from a traditional standpoint, but I can understand that the decades and centuries of deprivation and disenfranchisement we've had to live in, the denial of human rights and mistreatment we've endured have made gaming seem all the more attractive as a quick way to raise revenues for needed services(and DO NOT think that we get even adequate healthcare, education, or housing from the gov't) as well as to invest in other income-generating ventures and to raise political clout.
No one is forcing white folks-or anyone else- to hit the tribal casino and blow their paychecks any more than anyone is forcing Indians to hit the just-off-the-reservation liquor stores and blow theirs. When I see an effort by white folks to close those liquor stores down because they victimize Native American families by catering to an addiction, then I will be whole-heartedly in favor of closing down casinos both on and off the rez because they also victimize people's addictions.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 7/8/2008 7:39:51 PM
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Reconciliation might not be possible, given the extent of our (I am speaking as a white American) sin. Admitting our guilt is probably a good first step.
What am I guilty of that I need to admit to? I didn't make those choices way back when. I am not responsible for those choices people made then either. What was done is done. We absolutely can not change the past. What we can change is how we do things today! i am not a racist, nor does skin color even effect me. I find hate crimes absolutely atrocious. On that same scale is the mentality is that we owe people something for the sins of our fathers. As long as this mentality remains, racism will still exist. Alot of racism exist within the mind. People growing up hearing about how bad such and such group is and what they did. We change how and what we say to our kids now, that generation will not face the same racial issues we have been battling for years. The change starts with each one of us and accepting our own responsibility for spreading love, not hate.
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