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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 7/10/2008 7:55:08 AM
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Personally, I don't understand the point of asking some one's race on a job application.
1 - It is required by law to ensure that racial discrimination is not going on it the hiring practices of companies.
2 - Tax breaks are availiable for hiring significant numbers of certain minority groups.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 7/10/2008 8:08:55 AM
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1. Who is we?
2. I have no guilt because I have never done anything to any person of color or ethnicity.
3. I have not asked the people's who conquored Ireland or England to reimburse me or to apologise to me.
4. Would saying I am sorry for something I had no part of...help minorities out today? I am not sure the ones fighting for "equality" just want an apology, legitimate or not.
Dan 9:1 In the first year of Darius the son of Ahasuerus, of the seed of the Medes, who was made king over the realm of the Kasdim,
Dan 9:2 in the first year of his reign I, Daniel, understood by the books the number of the years about which the word of the LORD[1] came to Jeremiah the prophet, for the accomplishing of the desolations of Jerusalem, even seventy years.
Dan 9:3 I set my face to the Lord God, to seek by prayer and petitions, with fasting and sackcloth and ashes.
Dan 9:4 I prayed to the LORD my God, and made confession, and said, Oh, Lord, the great and dreadful God, who keeps covenant and loving kindness with those who love him and keep his commandments,
Dan 9:5 we have sinned, and have dealt perversely, and have done wickedly, and have rebelled, even turning aside from your precepts and from your ordinances;
Dan 9:6 neither have we listened to your servants the prophets, who spoke in your name to our kings, our princes, and our fathers, and to all the people of the land.
Dan 9:7 Lord, righteousness belongs to you, but to us confusion of face, as at this day; to the men of Judah, and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and to all Israel, who are near, and who are far off, through all the countries where you have driven them, because of their trespass that they have trespassed against you.
Dan 9:8 Lord, to us belongs confusion of face, to our kings, to our princes, and to our fathers, because we have sinned against you.
Dan 9:9 To the Lord our God belong mercies and forgiveness; for we have rebelled against him;
Dan 9:10 neither have we obeyed the voice of the LORD our God, to walk in his laws, which he set before us by his servants the prophets.
Dan 9:11 Yes, all Israel have transgressed your law, turning aside, that they should not obey your voice: therefore the curse and the oath written in the Torah of Moses the servant of God has been poured out on us; for we have sinned against him.
Dan 9:12 He has confirmed his words, which he spoke against us, and against our judges who judged us, by bringing on us a great evil; for under the whole sky, such has not been done as has been done to Jerusalem.
Dan 9:13 As it is written in the Torah of Moses, all this evil is come on us: yet have we not entreated the favor of the LORD our God, that we should turn from our iniquities, and have discernment in your truth.
Daniel did not commit personally any of that, but identified himself with all that that his countrymen did. Why should we not have that same attitude of humility?
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 7/10/2008 8:57:49 AM
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The highlighted vs are no different for our world to day. His people still do this. I don't think we can equate racism with these vs in Daniel. There are many differences between then and now. Daniel's point then was to "return" the people back to God. During all of the past "race wars" (used for lack of a better term) had absolutely nothing to do with God. God was not in the forefront of the people who committed the atrocities.
The NT is about responsibility and accountability. EX:
I am responsible for telling the Gospel, however I am not responsible for their salvation.
I am responsible for knowingly, willingly and continually committing a sin, not my brother's sin, mine alone.
I will be held accountable to God for committing a present day sin against my brother. My sister isn't going to stand before God and explain it away to Him.
Jesus stands in the gap for us as He did during the atrocities. He also forgave those who requested forgiveness for committing these sins as well.
The focus should be not on what was done, but what does God want us to do with this knowledge now.
Think about the holocaust survivors. I've have read so many authors and heard speakers, who were the most gracious, loving and most certainly forgiving people. Truly heartwarming.
Holding on to something that you can not change, creates a bitterness in you, a poison. Feeling like we are owed something and nobody ever pays up, contaminates not only you, but those who are around you-it gets passed on. What are your children learning from you? To love and forgive or do they see you bitter and hateful?
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 7/10/2008 9:52:58 AM
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This discussion has become about as legalistic as possible, so I need to ask a question. I am part Indian and part other stuff. Do I owe someone an apology? Do others owe me an apology? Perhaps, I should just apologize to myself.... 
The fact of the matter is that the time has passed when someone can point a finger and say that this person or that person is the great-great-great-great-great-grandchild or whatever of someone who stole Indian land or owned slaves. Also, the directives in the bible were directed to people who were Christians or who claimed to be thus. It was never a proclamation to secular society, and to make it so will benefit nothing because society on the whole does not subscribe to biblical teachings. As for me, I truly hope that none of my ancestors took lands or killed or enslaved people. If they did, I am sorry for that, but I would not even know who to be sorry to. Make sense?
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 7/10/2008 10:01:43 AM
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1 - It is required by law to ensure that racial discrimination is not going on it the hiring practices of companies.
I often wonder how much discrimination happens because of it. My husband has applied a few times to one company who has publicly stated that they need more black employees. He checks the box on the application that says he is a visible minority (they don't ask specific race here, just visible minority). In the three years he has applied, he has never even received an interview. Same with a few other black people he knows. They are all as qualified as any other applicant, and you would think they would at least receive an interview.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 7/10/2008 10:14:03 AM
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1 - It is required by law to ensure that racial discrimination is not going on it the hiring practices of companies.
I often wonder how much discrimination happens because of it. My husband has applied a few times to one company who has publicly stated that they need more black employees. He checks the box on the application that says he is a visible minority (they don't ask specific race here, just visible minority). In the three years he has applied, he has never even received an interview. Same with a few other black people he knows. They are all as qualified as any other applicant, and you would think they would at least receive an interview.
Just a quick interjection, please. I receive the exact same treatment for government jobs where I am. My degree, intelligence, skills, experience, etc. count for nothing.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 7/10/2008 1:13:45 PM
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I often wonder how much discrimination happens because of it. My husband has applied a few times to one company who has publicly stated that they need more black employees. He checks the box on the application that says he is a visible minority (they don't ask specific race here, just visible minority). In the three years he has applied, he has never even received an interview. No matter what the law says, some will find a way to get around it; occasionally even a legal way.
That is the difference between the law being on the books and the law being in one's heart.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 7/10/2008 1:31:44 PM
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1 - It is required by law to ensure that racial discrimination is not going on it the hiring practices of companies.
I often wonder how much discrimination happens because of it. My husband has applied a few times to one company who has publicly stated that they need more black employees. He checks the box on the application that says he is a visible minority (they don't ask specific race here, just visible minority). In the three years he has applied, he has never even received an interview. Same with a few other black people he knows. They are all as qualified as any other applicant, and you would think they would at least receive an interview.
Is he actually qualified for the job? Are there other ways that he may be undercutting his chances? Race may not be the only factor. Qualifications such as skills, abilities, education, presentation are among the possibilities. There are some blacks I have worked with who were squeezed out or fired because they had rotten attitudes. One was an alcoholic but you wouldn't necessarily have known it until you got to know him. Of course, they were probably convinced that race was the reason. Fact is, race was the actual reason they were hired and they were actually given preferential jobs because they were black.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 7/10/2008 4:03:08 PM
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Is he actually qualified for the job? Are there other ways that he may be undercutting his chances?
He is, and the others, are qualified for the job. You need a specific educational degree for it. He actually has the same job with another company, but can't get an interview with this one, that is in the news talking about how they want more black employees.
Anyways, I'm not saying this is the reason why he can't get an interview, but you do have to question if it is a possiblity when you are seeing it happen to more than one person. We're not saying he deserves a job because of his race, but you would think he would at least get a chance with an interview.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 7/10/2008 4:39:20 PM
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Red and yellow, black and white, they are precious in His sight.
Welcome to the One Stop thread for all things related to racial issues.
Do they exist? Yes
Why do they exist?
How can they be overcome? Probably Not
What should be done about past offenses? Nothing
Discuss these as well as other questions that may come up... all things racial.
[Admin's Note: Please refrain from personal attack.]
Personal Responsibility
I think that african/black-americans like myself first need to stop blaming everyone for their inability to function in this world today.
It is horrible that our history was stripped from us and we were forced to conform to the ways of the caucasian, but at the same time..its time for us to take personal responsibility and move on!
Its not "The Man's" fault that you didn't get hired for a particular job..etc. I say that because a lot of my peers always want to blame "the white man" for their miserable life..and that's what sucks!!
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There are plenty of articulate, well-educated black folks out here..but on the news what do you see - that ghetto lady with no teeth, who can't speak properly on T.V. and then you got joe blow in the background smilin and grinnin.. In my opinion blacks are always gonna be portrayed as something negative, it hurts me as an black woman..but it also pushes me to work that much harder to beat the odds and rise above the persecution.
Its wonderful to see a black man able to run for presidency, even if he doesn't win.. I'm grateful that I am alive today to see it!! I'm sure in the years to come their will be Hispanic-American, Asian-American and host of other americans given the chance to run...(as long as their ideas, policies and campaign money can rise to the occassion..lol)
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 7/10/2008 4:44:15 PM
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Red and yellow, black and white, they are precious in His sight.
Welcome to the One Stop thread for all things related to racial issues.
Do they exist? Yes
Why do they exist?
How can they be overcome? Probably Not
What should be done about past offenses? Nothing
Discuss these as well as other questions that may come up... all things racial.
[Admin's Note: Please refrain from personal attack.]
Personal Responsibility
I think that african/black-americans like myself first need to stop blaming everyone for their inability to function in this world today.
It is horrible that our history was stripped from us and we were forced to conform to the ways of the caucasian, but at the same time..its time for us to take personal responsibility and move on!
Its not "The Man's" fault that you didn't get hired for a particular job..etc. I say that because a lot of my peers always want to blame "the white man" for their miserable life..and that's what sucks!!
Society
There are plenty of articulate, well-educated black folks out here..but on the news what do you see - that ghetto lady with no teeth, who can't speak properly on T.V. and then you got joe blow in the background smilin and grinnin.. In my opinion blacks are always gonna be portrayed as something negative, it hurts me as an black woman..but it also pushes me to work that much harder to beat the odds and rise above the persecution.
Its wonderful to see a black man able to run for presidency, even if he doesn't win.. I'm grateful that I am alive today to see it!! I'm sure in the years to come their will be Hispanic-American, Asian-American and host of other americans given the chance to run...(as long as their ideas, policies and campaign money can rise to the occassion..lol)
I do not beleve I have ever heard it said any better than that. If more people, red and yellow, black and white, had your attitude most of the problem would be solved.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 7/10/2008 5:31:26 PM
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Anyways, I'm not saying this is the reason why he can't get an interview, but you do have to question if it is a possiblity when you are seeing it happen to more than one person. We're not saying he deserves a job because of his race, but you would think he would at least get a chance with an interview.
As you note, there may be other reasons than race for their failure to interview or hire him.
1) They may want to hire but hiring someone new might not be in their budget, no matter how badly they want one.
2) There may be a conflict in the hierarchy of the company. For example, HR may be trolling for candidates but the comptroller may be gumming up the works.
3) There may be other factors besides race that are either equally as discriminatory or nearly so, like age. That affects insurance costs. We recently hired someone 19 years old because the company was paying $600/ month for insurance premiums. Fifty year old employees have more health problems. So no matter how much experience and education and how good their skills are, they may cost more than they benefit. Those are factors we don't know.
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We're not saying he deserves a job because of his race, but you would think he would at least get a chance with an interview.
They have his resume don't they? If they want to hire him, they will interview him--or not.
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Anyways, I'm not saying this is the reason why he can't get an interview, but you do have to question if it is a possibility when you are seeing it happen to more than one person.
Have they hired no one? Or are they just excluding black people?
It is simply not good financial policy to exclude people on account of race. I'm sure there's a reason even if you don't know what it is. I realize that suspicion is the first refuge of the black community with regard to employment, but there are other reasons to. When white people don't get the jobs they think they should get, racial discrimination is not an option. But where there is someone to blame, people tend to pick something, even if they have little to base it on.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 7/10/2008 6:04:34 PM
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Another possibility is that they simply may not be hiring. I have known companies to post ads inviting people to put their applications and resumes in, even when they weren't hiring. Sometimes they do that to get a good stock of possible applicants. We often assume if there is an ad, they must intend to hire someone.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 7/10/2008 9:12:13 PM
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Ok I'll clarify a bit.
My husband is a teacher. It is a school board he is applying to. The school board interviews and hires a certain amount of people each year. My husband (and friends of his) have applied every year for three years with no luck. They have since been hired by others.
However, like I said before, we're not saying that his race has to do with him not getting an interview, but after a while you have to wonder if stating your race on an application has the reverse effect of getting minorities hired.
Especially when the school board is opening Afro-centric schools, publicly stating that they want more black teachers, starting progams in black communities to get children to go into teaching, but yet they aren't giving qualified black applicants interviews.
Anyways, this school board has a specific hiring policy, one we are familiar with because we know quite a few people who have gone through it. And people who work for the board and have worked with my husband aren't quite sure why he hasn't gotten an interview (people who have given my husband references.) So who knows what their reasoning is.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 7/10/2008 9:24:52 PM
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Hi Clarity888 and welcome to the forums!!
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That is the difference between the law being on the books and the law being in one's heart.
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I have a question for whomever wishes to answer.
In the late '60s and early '70s my sister and I were placed in an orphanage that was all African Americans. We were beat up by the other kids because of our skin color and our Comanche heritage. The adults treated us very poorly as well. How many black people have to apologize to me to right that wrong? I'm not angry over the issue anymore, but if I was, how many blacks would have to apologize before I should consider forgiving and moving past the anger?
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 7/10/2008 11:36:32 PM
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Ok I'll clarify a bit.
My husband is a teacher. It is a school board he is applying to. The school board interviews and hires a certain amount of people each year. My husband (and friends of his) have applied every year for three years with no luck. They have since been hired by others.
However, like I said before, we're not saying that his race has to do with him not getting an interview, but after a while you have to wonder if stating your race on an application has the reverse effect of getting minorities hired.
Especially when the school board is opening Afro-centric schools, publicly stating that they want more black teachers, starting progams in black communities to get children to go into teaching, but yet they aren't giving qualified black applicants interviews.
Anyways, this school board has a specific hiring policy, one we are familiar with because we know quite a few people who have gone through it. And people who work for the board and have worked with my husband aren't quite sure why he hasn't gotten an interview (people who have given my husband references.) So who knows what their reasoning is.
I understand the frustration. I work in an Accounting office. They seem to think that I can do interviews for other people in other areas (vocational instructor, etc.), but I cannot qualify for an interview for Budget Officer. I spent 13 years doing budget projections and running businesses to maintain budget restrictions.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 7/11/2008 12:15:34 AM
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Especially when the school board is opening Afro-centric schools, publicly stating that they want more black teachers, starting progams in black communities to get children to go into teaching, but yet they aren't giving qualified black applicants interviews.
Is it their position that only black teachers can encourage black students to go into the teaching profession?
I find the above quoted paragraph to be...incredulous.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 7/11/2008 12:25:02 AM
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OK Wes and others, so you say you personally haven't done anything against others... how do you know? Do you live in an area with few or no minorities? Do you know minority folks but not associate with them? Doyou actually have a relationship with someone of a different ethnicity than yourselves? If the answers are no, then you certainly haven't helped either.
And what of people who've been hurt by centuries of oppression and injustice that IS STILL GOING ON? What do you do, toss a prayer their way every once in a while and pat yourself on the back for being such wonderful servants of God? Or do you go to them, ask how you can help, and listen as they speak their hearts, then stick around to serve them with love?
Do you know that on some reservations the suicide rate for teens is anywhere from 5 to 10 times the national average? That going to town makes you a target for hate crimes and even small Native children are not spared? That job discrimination against Indians is still business as usual in many places near reservations and that neither the DOJ or DOL is willing to prosecute offenders? That the police are far less likely to assist Natives who are victims of crime and often tell them so? That the poorest county in the nation is Shannon County South Dakota, where the Pine Ridge Lakota Reservation is(average yrly income $2500)? That the US Govt has "lost" $10-15 billion or more in Indian trust funds by failing to collect royalties and rents on Indian lands and resources contracted out by the Gov't to timber, mining, oil, and ranching industries? Or that it literally takes an act of Congress for any tribe to get some of its own money to use as start-up capital for economic growth and that said approval can take decades? Or that tribes are still having to fight with the Fed's and the States over tribal resources, especially water?
The Indian Wars never stopped and since you live here in the USA you ARE responsible for what IS going on today. Sticking your head in the sand and pretending that it was all a long time ago doesn't absolve anyone from doing something about injustice. And if you want to know how bad it really is, get to know some Indians and spend sometime in our world. If you want to be really daring, go in disguise as a Native person and walk down the street in Rapid City SD or Flagstaff AZ or even up in Connecticut or Upstate NY one evening and see what happens to you. I would advise you to not include your wives or daughters in such an experiment as they would likely be sexually assaulted. Native American women are 5 times more likely to be victims of sexual assault than all other races combined and the DA's are unlikely to even seek an indictment against the perp(s) in those cases even with air-tight evidence.
Oh, and white folks who hang out with Indians are likely to get beaten up right along with their Indian friends. Whites who help Indians with justice issues are likely to find themselves on the FBI's radar as well as find their phones tapped, their computers hacked into, and their bank accounts messed with, not to mention harassed by local law enforcement. Being a friend to the Native community is definitely not for sissies.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 7/11/2008 12:42:48 AM
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Do you live in an area with few or no minorities? Do you know minority folks but not associate with them? Doyou actually have a relationship with someone of a different ethnicity than yourselves? If the answers are no, then you certainly haven't helped either.
As a white person I am the minority in my neighborhood. If I had no relationships with "minorities" I wouldn't have any relationship. I don't look at people as hispanic or black or whatever. I look at them as people.
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And what of people who've been hurt by centuries of oppression and injustice that IS STILL GOING ON?
These things do happen..and there are laws to deal with them. Unfortunatley, its difficult to prove in most cases and I would bet some descriminitory suits have poor basis as well. I do not believe institutionalized racism still exists today.
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The Indian Wars never stopped and since you live here in the USA you ARE responsible for what IS going on today
No, I am not. I have never done anything to a native american/indian/whatever is politically correct stupidity to determine someone. IF...there are great injustcies being perpetrated on an institutional level...and you know aboput them....YOU are responsible to get them out. I can tell you, the plight of "indians" is not national news.
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That job discrimination against Indians is still business as usual in many places near reservations and that neither the DOJ or DOL is willing to prosecute offenders? That the police are far less likely to assist Natives who are victims of crime and often tell them so?
I think most minorities claim, or go through this as well.
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The Indian Wars never stopped
Hmmm, I thought we were at war with Iraq, not the Indian. This is news to me.
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And if you want to know how bad it really is, get to know some Indians and spend sometime in our world.
I don't know any. South Florida is a very diverse community and I meet many different people everyday...and I have absolutley no interest in knowing wether or not they are indian or Indian or columbian or hatian or muslim or white or whatever.
I DO NOT LOOK AT PEOPLE AS SOME LABEL.
You do know....not all black people are the same? Not all indians are the same? ETC.?????????
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 7/11/2008 8:28:34 AM
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Granddaughter, Skyler Lynn was born July 1, 2008.
Congratulations, Larry, on your new granddaughter!!! She's adorable! 
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 7/11/2008 9:18:58 AM
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Is it their position that only black teachers can encourage black students to go into the teaching profession?
While they have never stated their position as such, their programs seem to show that they believe that black students will only take their encouragement from black teachers. It really seems like they are saying one thing to please the community but doing another thing behind closed doors (again, we know quite a few people who are behind those closed doors that are baffled by what is going on.)
The Afrocentric schools have been a big debate here. In the school system, 40% of black students don't finish high school. The proposed solution is voluntary schools that teach Afro-centric curriculum. A student of any race can attend, but these schools are in neighbourhoods that are predominantly black. And they want to put black teachers in the schools so that the kids have role models.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 7/11/2008 9:28:34 AM
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Why do you insist that racial problems are partly my fault?
I would never ever try to diminish what people go through, but I really don't understand why I am at fault. Because my skin colour is white I automatically take on the fault of others who look like me?
I go through this with my family. My inlaws still talk about how they don't like white people because of slavery and that's why they don't treat me in the same way they treat others. I can trace my family history on both sides to before slavery. Trust me, we were not involved. Even though we came from a country that had a part in it, we were labourers so we weren't involved.
I've married a black man, my daughter is half black (leaning towards my husbands side). I live in a Muslim/black neighbourhood. I have friends of every race. At what point, am I no longer at fault. I speak up for my neighbours who are being taken advantage of because they are new to the country. I've been involved with panel discussions on racial issues in this country. At what point, am I looked at in the context of myself and not the colour of my skin (hmm.. my husband asks the same questions about himself.)
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 7/11/2008 9:33:58 AM
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ORIGINAL: lexie
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