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RE: Lost Season 4 - 3/15/2008 12:59:09 AM
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The girl jumping... I wondered it if showed, how terrible things really were - how desparate she was. AND, why did she not realize that she was reading a book upside down? Was she faking reading? Seems obvious, but was it because she was leaving little messages for Sayid and Desmond, or because she couldn't read and was faking THAT?
After they showed her jumping, I gathered that the upside-down book was just an indicator of how emotionally disturbed she was, so distracted and preoccupied that to calm down enough to focus on something like reading was impossible.
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Hurley was out of the asylum, so I wonder if this takes place before or after that? And why was he the only one to come? I cried when Sun was "talking" tp Jin at the grave site.
I cried too ... boo-hooed. I don't know if I can take many more of these tear-jerkers. Last season with Charlie dying, and last week with Desmond and Penelope (although that was a happy tear-jerker) and now this! Jin and Sun were my favorite couple on the island. I wish he wouldn't die.
On another note ... I watched a little of last week's rerun before this week's episode, and I thought it was hilarious the way Ben greets Sawyer and Hurley with this Cheshire-cat grin as he passes while they play horse shoes and calls out, "See you at dinner!" How ironic that he was formerly their captor and now acts like they are one big happy family. That's one thing I love about this show--the variety--drama, in-depth character development and then comic relief.
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RE: Lost Season 4 - 3/15/2008 9:45:58 PM
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If they crashed on 9/22, and now it's Christmas Eve, (at least it was when Des called Penny) that's about 92 days after crashing, just like the footnotes tell us. Sun is 8 wks pregnant now, and that makes sense b/c the island had time to heal Jin, and for her to ovulate, and for her and Jin to make up, so all that would take a month. There is no time warp thing with all of that. But if they are saying that Jin died in the crash, or 2 days after the crash, then Sun has some "splainin" to do, b/c she is only 8 wks along and should be at least 12 wks along if everyone thinks Jin died in the crash, and she says the baby is his.
I still think that Kate's Aaron is not Claire's Aaron. He is either the baby of Kate and Sawyer, or he's a baby she had b4 she became a fugitive, and he was in foster care, or the dad had full custody of him or something. She just never talked about him, and they never had her have a flashback about him. It is a coincidence that his name is Aaron. It's a fairly common name anyway.
So now, what do we have, 5 of the 6? Kate, Jack, Hurley, Sayid and Sun. Yes, that's 5. We know the 6th won't be Jin, so who will it be? B4 they revealed Sun, I was rooting for Rose and Bernard to be 5 and 6, but it looks like they both can't make it now.
Good question that the guy brought up about where did they find 324 bodies to fill the fake wreckage with. It's getting curioser and curiouser!
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RE: Lost Season 4 - 3/15/2008 10:15:06 PM
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So now, what do we have, 5 of the 6? Kate, Jack, Hurley, Sayid and Sun. Yes, that's 5. We know the 6th won't be Jin, so who will it be? B4 they revealed Sun, I was rooting for Rose and Bernard to be 5 and 6, but it looks like they both can't make it now.
I believe they showed the last survivor. If I remember it right, the week prior the Sun/Jin episode (last week's) while showing the preview for the upcoming episode...the voice over mentioned something like .... next week or next episode, we will meet the last survivor of the Ocenic 6. So Sun was the last one and that's why most of the viewers were confused seeing Jin in the same episode, only to find out later that Jin's was a flashback not a flashforward. So if Sun was the last survivor then Aaron was Claire's Aaron.
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RE: Lost Season 4 - 3/15/2008 11:17:01 PM
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I still think that Kate's Aaron is not Claire's Aaron. He is either the baby of Kate and Sawyer, or he's a baby she had b4 she became a fugitive, and he was in foster care, or the dad had full custody of him or something. She just never talked about him, and they never had her have a flashback about him. It is a coincidence that his name is Aaron. It's a fairly common name anyway.
Claire's Aaron is Kate's Aaron. Producers Damon Lindelof and Carton Cuse said so in one of the official Lost podcasts. I also read something about it in this weeks tv guide.
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RE: Lost Season 4 - 3/17/2008 6:09:51 PM
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I didn't get the impression that Jin died, unless he died shortly after the baby was born. He presented the panda secretly and then left without seeing his wife and baby. Since we know Sun's father controlled Jin, I was under the impression that Sun's father led her to believe Jin was dead and that Jin somehow went along with the ruse.
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RE: Lost Season 4 - 3/17/2008 8:41:41 PM
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He presented the panda secretly and then left without seeing his wife and baby.
Jin's storyline, I believe, was a flashback. When he was leaving the hospital, he mentioned that he's only been married for 2 months.
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RE: Lost Season 4 - 3/17/2008 9:40:16 PM
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He presented the panda secretly and then left without seeing his wife and baby.
Jin's storyline, I believe, was a flashback. When he was leaving the hospital, he mentioned that he's only been married for 2 months.
Question (I can probably check because I still have it recorded.): Did you hear the familiar "whoosh" that you get with the flashbacks?? Where I live you can see last week's episode with written narrations along the bottom. In one of them, it explained that flash-forwards lack the familiar "whoosh" and flashbacks have them. That's a signal to the viewer that it's a flash-forward. I don't remember any "whoosh," so I don't believe it was a flash-back but a flash-forward.
Besides. We aren't really seeing any more flashbacks in the original Oceanic passenger's lives. We saw all of those in seasons 1-3.
I believe Jin was lying to the receptionist in order that no one would suspect that the baby's real father had been there. Remember, he indicated that the baby and mother he was looking for--they weren't there and that he was mistaken.
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RE: Lost Season 4 - 3/17/2008 10:29:27 PM
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He presented the panda secretly and then left without seeing his wife and baby.
Jin's storyline, I believe, was a flashback. When he was leaving the hospital, he mentioned that he's only been married for 2 months.
Question (I can probably check because I still have it recorded.): Did you hear the familiar "whoosh" that you get with the flashbacks?? Where I live you can see last week's episode with written narrations along the bottom. In one of them, it explained that flash-forwards lack the familiar "whoosh" and flashbacks have them. That's a signal to the viewer that it's a flash-forward. I don't remember any "whoosh," so I don't believe it was a flash-back but a flash-forward.
Besides. We aren't really seeing any more flashbacks in the original Oceanic passenger's lives. We saw all of those in seasons 1-3.
I believe Jin was lying to the receptionist in order that no one would suspect that the baby's real father had been there. Remember, he indicated that the baby and mother he was looking for--they weren't there and that he was mistaken.
Well, the episode recap on the Lost site on abc.com says Jin's part is a flashback and Sun's is a flash forward. But even without that confirmation, everything points to it: jin looks younger, he has an older model cell phone, the baby he goes to see is a boy rather than a girl, the lady holding the baby he sees when he peeks in is not Sun.
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RE: Lost Season 4 - 3/17/2008 11:10:22 PM
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woosh? Will have to start listening for it.
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RE: Lost Season 4 - 3/18/2008 7:04:24 AM
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Whoever wrote those recap/summaries is confusing viewers because they didn't stick to the rules. They are calling saying "whoosh" to events that are current for the episode and some for flash forwards.
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"WHOOSH to a delivery room where the doctor tells Sun they have to do a C-section. Sun says no, they need to wait for Jin. They doctor tells her he is not there, that they have no choice. Suddenly the baby crowns, and the doctor tells Sun to push. Sun cries out in pain and pushes. Her baby is born, and the doctor places it in Sun's arms. It's a little girl, just like Jin wanted. Sun begins to cry."
This is clearly a flash forward but the recap inserts a "whoosh." Does anyone else remember the bottom line captions explaining that flash forwards contain no "whoosh"?
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RE: Lost Season 4 - 3/18/2008 8:14:07 AM
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I can't say that I remember whether or not there was a "whoosh", but Wayfaring_Stranger has it right. Jin's part was definitely a flashback to when he worked for Sun's father, while Sun's part was a flash forward. However, I don't believe Jin is dead in the future. I think he stayed on the island for some reason, and the headstone is a memorial put up when he supposedly died in the crash. Since I don't read Korean, I don't know if it was just his name on the headstone or if both his and Sun's were on there.
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RE: Lost Season 4 - 3/18/2008 8:37:22 AM
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Also have to remember that when Jack was on Kate's trial he mentioned that there were only a few of them who survived from the crash - 'can't remember if he said 8- and that Kate was the one who took care of all of them. So for the rest of the world, most of the people died but the Oceanic 6 and a couple of people died prior to the rescue and which would be Claire and Jin. Claire, of course, had to deliver Aaron so she would have been alive after the crash-- then Jin since Sun got pregnant in the island. The rest-- Locke, Sawyer and others, as far as the outside of the island's concern, they died right after the crash.
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RE: Lost Season 4 - 3/18/2008 12:25:32 PM
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However, I don't believe Jin is dead in the future.
I don't either. They had a closeup of Sun at the end, and she did not look grieved in that shot, it was almost like she had a small smile.
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RE: Lost Season 4 - 3/18/2008 12:34:57 PM
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The "woosh" being absent refers to Desmond's time-travels.....not flash backs or flash forwards. And yeah, it did mention it in the captions.
I think Jin being dead is part of the cover-up.
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RE: Lost Season 4 - 3/18/2008 12:37:37 PM
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I'd be willing to bet Jin is still alive too, but stuck on the island for some reason or another. I think there are plenty of people still alive on the island. . .otherwise why would Jack want to go back?
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RE: Lost Season 4 - 3/18/2008 3:33:58 PM
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However, I don't believe Jin is dead in the future.
I don't either. They had a closeup of Sun at the end, and she did not look grieved in that shot, it was almost like she had a small smile.
If Sun knew Jin is not dead at the end then why would she even bother to be going in the graveyard? I guess I just don't get it, even if it's for dramatic effect. Why talk to his grave and be in tears? She could have just looked on Jin's picture and talked to his picture. I think, some did decide to stay in the island and some eventually did die. Some still thinks that Charlie did not die.
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RE: Lost Season 4 - 3/18/2008 3:34:57 PM
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If Sun knew Jin is not dead at the end then why would she even bother to be going in the graveyard?
Maybe she doesn't know...or wait.... she would know the date is wrong though wouldn't she? My head hurts.
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RE: Lost Season 4 - 3/18/2008 3:40:18 PM
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If Sun knew Jin is not dead at the end then why would she even bother to be going in the graveyard? I guess I just don't get it, even if it's for dramatic effect.
The only thing I can think of is for show, like her dad. But why would Hurley go with her? I don't know either.
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RE: Lost Season 4 - 3/18/2008 4:40:09 PM
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The "woosh" being absent refers to Desmond's time-travels.....not flash backs or flash forwards. And yeah, it did mention it in the captions.
No. That's not what the narrator's captions said. The particular notes that I am talking about appeared in the episode of Kate's trial. I don't remember Desmond's time travel occurring in that episode.
I edited my post because I think I said something wrong.
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I think Jin being dead is part of the cover-up.
I agree.
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RE: Lost Season 4 - 3/18/2008 4:46:05 PM
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I can't say that I remember whether or not there was a "whoosh", but Wayfaring_Stranger has it right. Jin's part was definitely a flashback to when he worked for Sun's father, while Sun's part was a flash forward. However, I don't believe Jin is dead in the future. I think he stayed on the island for some reason, and the headstone is a memorial put up when he supposedly died in the crash. Since I don't read Korean, I don't know if it was just his name on the headstone or if both his and Sun's were on there.
So what was the point of intermingling Jin's purchase of the panda for the baby? Just to confuse us? That would be the most ridiculous writing that I can think of--to deliberately intermingle a past where Jin is not the father with a future where Sun has her baby.
The only reasonable explanation is that Jin was not allowed to see Sun--either her father forbids it or is made to believe that Jin is dead in order to protect him. Or, some deal that Jin made with her father to benefit the two of them.
As to whether or not Sun believes Jin is dead in that future, I think she does. There would be no point in Sun and Hurley going to a graveside if they didn't think Jin was dead. To fool whom? Whoever might be watching them?
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RE: Lost Season 4 - 3/18/2008 4:58:18 PM
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The "woosh" being absent refers to Desmond's time-travels.....not flash backs or flash forwards. And yeah, it did mention it in the captions.
No. That's not what the narrator's captions said. The particular notes that I am talking about appeared in the episode of Kate's trial. I don't remember Desmond's time travel occurring in that episode.
I haven't watched the enhanced version of 'eggtown' (the one with Kate's trial) yet. But I just watched the first 10 min or so of 'the constant' again. And when Desmond is on the helicopter and goes back to boot camp it does say this: "You may have notice the absence of the familiar "woosh" sound effect. That is because this is not a flashback, but rather, Desmond is time traveling."
I'll have to look at the enhanced version of eggtown and see what the captions say on that one.
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RE: Lost Season 4 - 3/18/2008 5:20:40 PM
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The "woosh" being absent refers to Desmond's time-travels.....not flash backs or flash forwards. And yeah, it did mention it in the captions.
No. That's not what the narrator's captions said. The particular notes that I am talking about appeared in the episode of Kate's trial. I don't remember Desmond's time travel occurring in that episode.
I haven't watched the enhanced version of 'eggtown' (the one with Kate's trial) yet. But I just watched the first 10 min or so of 'the constant' again. And when Desmond is on the helicopter and goes back to boot camp it does say this: "You may have notice the absence of the familiar "woosh" sound effect. That is because this is not a flashback, but rather, Desmond is time traveling."
I'll have to look at the enhanced version of eggtown and see what the captions say on that one.
Wow. I may be mistaken. Thanks for finding the quote for me. Sorry.
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RE: Lost Season 4 - 3/18/2008 5:27:01 PM
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The Panda thing-- when that door opened and it wasn't Sun, my thought was while Jin was walking out that hospital, there will be a 'boom', like Jin implanted something inside the Panda -- like a bomb and that he was also doing the same thing Sayid was doing but then when I realized that it was a flashback, then I thought maybe it was Sun's father who sent that Panda to an enemy of his that he wants dead.
Okay...now I have a headache too...pass the Advil this way.
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RE: Lost Season 4 - 3/19/2008 10:46:31 AM
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So what was the point of intermingling Jin's purchase of the panda for the baby? The panda was for a Chinese ambassador, not Sun. The baby he bought it for was a boy, and he specifically called the man in the hospital "Ambassador". He also said it was a representation of how much his boss wanted to do business with China. So yeah, it was probably just a red herring to confuse us.
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