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RE: Mormonism? - 9/2/2006 12:34:28 AM
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What does relationship with God mean to you?
Family. He is my Father in heaven. He is there to hear my prayers and pleadings. He is there to guide and comfort me.
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"If you love Me, you will keep My commandments (1 John 14:15).
I think this scripture is pretty straight forward. He knows I'm human. He knows I strive to do my best. He and I both know I fall short. He also knows my heart.
Yes, indeed. Family. As believers we are the children of God and Christ is our brother. And what's so wonderful about Christ being our brother is that we can have a relationship with Him as real as any relationship we have with our earthly brothers and sisters. The Bible says "‘We love him, because he first loved us". (1 John 4:19). I remember first learning this truth. If it weren't for God first loving me I would never have come to Him. I didn't have it in me to want God. This is the kind of relationship that goes much further than any earthly relationship. I think about that. I may lose friendships, I may lose loved ones, but I will never lose God. I think about how grateful I am to have Christ with me as I go about my life. I never need be lonely ever again. And I honestly believe now that the most important thing in my life is the relationship that I have with God and that I will enjoy this relationship with Him forever. Hell to me is most definitely losing the sweet, dear presence of God in my daily walk with Christ. And to think only ten short years ago I was going through my life with little regard to God or Christ. I knew God as creator, didn't even know Christ was God, and certainly had no concept of a relationship with God. My understanding was that God was far too involved with bigger concerns than me at the time. And then to learn that He wants to relate to me day by day, moment by moment--He listens and responds to me. Why, I'm really not that special a person. I certainly am not perfect. Like you, God knows I want to do my best yet I fall short. He loves me anyway. That's what love is like. Parents have this kind of love for their children. Love for a child is selfless and sacrificial--which is precisely what God did for us through His Son Christ.
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RE: Mormonism? - 9/2/2006 12:43:35 AM
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Huh? Mormons do NOT deny their history of polygamy. I would know this very well considering how my father is Mormon.
The Mormon religion isn't as bad as all those Christians think it out to be.
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RE: Mormonism? - 9/2/2006 12:48:18 AM
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Heres some info for you I got on [Link edited by Admin.]
"When Jesus Christ lived on the earth, He organized His Church so that all people could receive His gospel and return one day to live with God, our Heavenly Father. After Jesus Christ ascended to heaven, His Apostles continued to receive revelation from Him on how to direct the work of His Church. However, after they were killed, members changed the teachings of the Church that He had established. While many good people and some truth remained, this Apostasy, or general falling away from the truth, brought about the withdrawal of the Church from the earth. The Apostle Peter prophesied that Jesus would restore His Church before His Second Coming (Acts 3:19–21).
Jesus Christ began to restore His Church in its fulness to the earth through the Prophet Joseph Smith in 1820. It has grown to become a worldwide Church with over 12 million members. It has the same teachings and basic organization as the Church established by Jesus in New Testament times.
We invite you to learn more about this Church. "
Oh and Mormons aren't mormons, they're LDS. haha
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RE: Mormonism? - 9/2/2006 10:00:03 AM
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Harvest Honey - hi there - after reading your posts, and this is just me talking - just my opinion and not to be judgmental and to be supportive to another soul and fellow poster in the forum (you) -- I think perhaps you may be serving the true and living God. If God be true, and the Bible be true, and the God I serve is supposed to be more powerful and cutting thru the marrow of things, then please allow me to try to tell you something that occurred to me studying Galations and Ephesians. I can get the specific verses if you like but just for sake of discussion -
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As for me and anyone who disagrees with someone, the Word says that if anyone is over taken in a fault, we believers are to restore that person in the spirit of meekness (Galations)...
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OK, now HarvestHoney, if you happen to be in a church that some people disagree with, I think the Lord is greater than any religion or church, and I sense you are sincere and dedicated to the true Lord (the same one I serve) and if you are doing something wrong, God will let you know if you seek Him (same for me).
Anyway, I just wanted to tell ya that to be encouraged. Everyone is welcome here, and I would like to be at least hospitable. I think folks are very passionate about going the right route and maybe some will say Im wrong, but this is just what I wanted to say to you.
Have you read the tenets of faith of the LDS? Do you know their basic beliefs about who Christ is? Do you know their basic beliefs about what happens after death? Do you know about baptism by proxy?
Honeyharvest was raised LDS. She is not in need of restoration, she needs salvation. That is my prayer for her and her household.
The Word says: There is one Way to the Father. There are many deceptive roads. Let's not encourage this dear heart to continue down the wrong one.
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RE: Mormonism? - 9/2/2006 10:30:28 AM
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Huh? Mormons do NOT deny their history of polygamy. I would know this very well considering how my father is Mormon.
The Mormon religion isn't as bad as all those Christians think it out to be.
Yes, I agree. I went to their church for a time and for a half a year, participated in their "seminary" which is a program for teenagers that they must go for rigorous bible verse memorisation and study of the Book of Mormon and the Bible.
Even though they did try to make me "understand that this is the Truth, and feel that God will make me know the truth" through two or three pairs of missionaries, I suddenly hurt a friend when I told him that I could never convert. "I just couldn't." I flatly told him, and I knew he was hurt by it.
Of course, as a "Christian" sect as they claim to be, they are blasphemous. Yet as a separate religion, for a prophet who has made many claims that never appeared during the time of the Church Fathers nor of the Apostles, they are actually not bad.
They have truthful devotion to their church and a faith that my Catholic brothers and sisters of my generation have fallen away from. Their church, although quite traditional (I don't like the segregation of the sexes in their "Mutual Activities" since they encourage a very narrow way of activities and no in-between - boys do basketball and hiking, and girls do jewellery making and baking o_o, and if the doors close during sacrament meeting and people are late, the men can still enter but the women can't!), and really is an inspiring religion based on family values, and many of them takes this to heart so much that they are very kind people with tight families together.
Which explains the whole rejection if one member goes to another faith. Then they won't be in the same Heaven, or in the Glory of the Father (3 Heavens make the gods quite merciful ones) and such is one of their goals, alongside becoming gods and goddesses.
Actually, I'm still a little mad that although they teach that one has a loving Mother in Heaven, a goddess to make all these spirit children which is us, they never mention her and never even thank her in prayer. It makes God seem either very protective or jealous, even though I believe as a goddess, would she not be powerful enough anyways? *sigh*
Ah well. Mormons, they are an adorable bunch, even if their beliefs are blasphemous! ^^
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RE: Mormonism? - 9/2/2006 11:06:32 AM
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landabee, yes i understand what you're saying,, but something in harvest honey's last couple of posts seemed to say that she is beleiving in God, who is One higher than a mere church,, God is more powerful to cut thru anything that would come between Him and her. I always recommend someone reach for God, and not let a church get in the way. God is big enough to reach out to anyone who seeks Him and cut thru religion.
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RE: Mormonism? - 9/2/2006 11:28:29 AM
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IMAChristian --
Interesting way of looking at it. I guess it really comes down to what HH believes about Christ, and how much room to "err" there is on other things.
I know that a LOT of evangelical Christians have a lot of bad theology -- heck, we're all wrong on at least one big issue! But that doesn't mean we're not saved because we trust in Christ's work alone for our salvation.
If a given Mormon does that too, even if most of their other beliefs are seriously messed up, is there room for salvation?
I guess that's for God to decide. But I would expect Him to lead the person to a church that is rather more Biblically based ...
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RE: Mormonism? - 9/2/2006 12:07:37 PM
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IMA CHRISTIAN - I get what you are saying. In my talks with my LDS friends, I find that there is no doubt that they believe in God and that they study the Bible and they believe along the same lines as we do. But this is where the deception lies. I'm not saying LDS are practicing deception in the sense that they are trying to deceive us, I think they have been deceived themselves.
I explained to my friends that I am saved through the grace of Jesus Christ. That there was no other way for me to be saved and that is why He was nailed to the cross, with my sins nailed there right along with him. It is only through His grace and mercy that I have the hope of attaining eternal life. I asked my friends if they believe I am saved. While they did not come out and say no, they gave me an around the way explanation of how while that is true because its what the Bible says, I can only be truly saved if I came to Christ through Joseph Smith.
I agree with what PolarBear said, that there is a lot of bad theology out there. We need to realize that there is no church and no man on earth that can save us, only Christ can.
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RE: Mormonism? - 9/2/2006 12:46:53 PM
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Huh? Mormons do NOT deny their history of polygamy. I would know this very well considering how my father is Mormon.
The Mormon religion isn't as bad as all those Christians think it out to be.
Yes, I agree. I went to their church for a time and for a half a year, participated in their "seminary" which is a program for teenagers that they must go for rigorous bible verse memorisation and study of the Book of Mormon and the Bible.
Even though they did try to make me "understand that this is the Truth, and feel that God will make me know the truth" through two or three pairs of missionaries, I suddenly hurt a friend when I told him that I could never convert. "I just couldn't." I flatly told him, and I knew he was hurt by it.
Of course, as a "Christian" sect as they claim to be, they are blasphemous. Yet as a separate religion, for a prophet who has made many claims that never appeared during the time of the Church Fathers nor of the Apostles, they are actually not bad.
They have truthful devotion to their church and a faith that my Catholic brothers and sisters of my generation have fallen away from. Their church, although quite traditional (I don't like the segregation of the sexes in their "Mutual Activities" since they encourage a very narrow way of activities and no in-between - boys do basketball and hiking, and girls do jewellery making and baking o_o, and if the doors close during sacrament meeting and people are late, the men can still enter but the women can't!), and really is an inspiring religion based on family values, and many of them takes this to heart so much that they are very kind people with tight families together.
Which explains the whole rejection if one member goes to another faith. Then they won't be in the same Heaven, or in the Glory of the Father (3 Heavens make the gods quite merciful ones) and such is one of their goals, alongside becoming gods and goddesses.
Actually, I'm still a little mad that although they teach that one has a loving Mother in Heaven, a goddess to make all these spirit children which is us, they never mention her and never even thank her in prayer. It makes God seem either very protective or jealous, even though I believe as a goddess, would she not be powerful enough anyways? *sigh*
Ah well. Mormons, they are an adorable bunch, even if their beliefs are blasphemous! ^^
First off, seminary isn't rigorous. There are no tests or homework. You just go there and learn about the Gospel.
Blasphemous? Really? Is it because we have Prophets and Apostes? If so you must discard the whole Bible as blasphemous, because these Prophets have the same power and authority as the Prophets of old.
"and if the doors close during sacrament meeting and people are late, the men can still enter but the women can't"   Are you kidding me? This is totally false. Anyone can come into our sacrement meetings at any time.
I have to go right now, but I'll be back later.
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RE: Mormonism? - 9/2/2006 2:09:51 PM
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Ask a Mormon who they believe Jesus was and ask him the same question about Satan?
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RE: Mormonism? - 9/2/2006 6:24:19 PM
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IMAChristian --
Interesting way of looking at it. I guess it really comes down to what HH believes about Christ, and how much room to "err" there is on other things.
I was raised with Christian teachings and I was not saved until I was an adult at age 43. Having truth taught to me did not ensure my salvation. That was totally between God and me. That's good because I totally missed the Jesus is God truth. Yet God saved me even though my knowledge was severely lacking! I came to the place in my life when I needed God and He was there to receive me with open arms. It wasn't about what I knew but Who I wanted to know. And then God set to the business of clearing up any mistruths I had accumulated along the way. The same is true of all of us. To all those who truly want a relationship with God, He's patiently waiting and will receive each and every one.
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RE: Mormonism? - 9/2/2006 9:05:51 PM
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If you marry a non member that is not willing to baptize, they don't urge you to leave your wife, Mormons believe in families, and it's very important, above all that you have a strong family.
They also believe in mutiple marriages as well. See, while this religion may have that family focus, (and this is what lures people who do not know no better to it), their docterine and twisting of scripture make people confused.
I was reading through the thread and I found this. Polygamy or "multiple marriages" has been banned since 1890. Any member caught in a polygmist relationship will be swiftly excommunicated.
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RE: Mormonism? - 9/2/2006 9:09:06 PM
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I just saw a 2 hour documentary on A&E (it might be on again) all about the Mormons and polygamy and how they are. It was appalling and amazing. They featured about 5 families, the father has sex with his 5 year old and 16 year old to teach them about being ready for their husband, they beat their wives and kids, the wives have no say so in any matter, in order to cope with jealousy the wives have to suppress their feelings, one wife saw her husband have sex with her "sister wife" right in front of her so that she "wouldn't feel bad about getting anything different"
They are all in a very bad place, they are in a cult, when they try to escape, they are threatened they will go to hell, and have to leave their 11 children behind, the kids (aged 10 and 8) were talking about how they want to have 3 wives just like daddy,
oh and since they inbreed, the kids come out with clubbed feet and no kneecap on this one child and they refuse to do corrective surgery "because thats the way God let them be born so its God's will they be handicapped" ... One father married his niece.
ITS NUTS OUT THERE!!
Ya know its all about one rather ugly man who wants to build up a kingdom (their words not mine),, its all about him getting sex with his choice of 4-8 women. One guy said he lives in a house with his 4 wives. how he handles satisfying them is he makes a schedule who he will have sex with that night, and then he goes from room to room having sex with each of these women.. What a life!!! and they justify all this by the Bible.
The government cant put them in prison coz they'd have to put half the state of Utah citizens in jail.
theres more but this is the major things I saw on this show.. I hope it will be on again.
These "mormons" are not members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. Again there is no polygamy in the LDS Church
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RE: Mormonism? - 9/2/2006 10:02:07 PM
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RE: Mormonism? - 9/2/2006 10:25:28 PM
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I was reading through the thread and I found this. Polygamy or "multiple marriages" has been banned since 1890. Any member caught in a polygmist relationship will be swiftly excommunicated.
Interesting that Joseph Smith thought God permitted multiple wives and got his own 48 in before the practice was banned. Better late than never I always say.
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RE: Mormonism? - 9/2/2006 10:42:12 PM
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hey everyone!! Just in case, Look to Jesus for everything, not any church!
(((just my friendly Saturday nite warning :))))))
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RE: Mormonism? - 9/2/2006 11:03:42 PM
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Harvest Honey - hi there - after reading your posts, and this is just me talking - just my opinion and not to be judgmental and to be supportive to another soul and fellow poster in the forum (you) -- I think perhaps you may be serving the true and living God. If God be true, and the Bible be true, and the God I serve is supposed to be more powerful and cutting thru the marrow of things, then please allow me to try to tell you something that occurred to me studying Galations and Ephesians. I can get the specific verses if you like but just for sake of discussion -
no person comes to the Lord, but its God who opens up our hearts and minds to receive salvation. God chooses us and reveals Himself to us, Jesus came to seek and save who is lost.. God pursues us, we didn't pursue Him. And we cannot receive the Lord until He speaks to our hearts and minds. When we first begin walking with the Lord in our life, we might be doing some weird things thinking we are right, but then as we grow, God shows us where we need to be improved, and Im talking about all kinds of church people (even the good Baptists & Lutherans :)
As for me and anyone who disagrees with someone, the Word says that if anyone is over taken in a fault, we believers are to restore that person in the spirit of meekness (Galations)...
how did the early church brethren help each other straighten out? the early church Apostles were dealing with people who never heard of Jesus, thought he was a mere man or prophet, the citizens were Romans, pagans, idol worshippers, some were just of John the Baptist's gospel because they had not yet heard of Jesus.... because the Gospel had not yet been preached in that region. But the Apostles spoke the Word (they didn't even have Bibles,, some had Pauls' letters to the churches), and then God came in very mighty and totally bowled them over with conviction and wasn't it 3,000 souls were saved (Book of Acts).
OK, now HarvestHoney, if you happen to be in a church that some people disagree with, I think the Lord is greater than any religion or church, and I sense you are sincere and dedicated to the true Lord (the same one I serve) and if you are doing something wrong, God will let you know if you seek Him (same for me).
Anyway, I just wanted to tell ya that to be encouraged. Everyone is welcome here, and I would like to be at least hospitable. I think folks are very passionate about going the right route and maybe some will say Im wrong, but this is just what I wanted to say to you.
Read through Galations, I think I get your point.
I have been to a Christian bible study, it was very enlightening. I have a pretty good understanding of the differences of LDS doctrine and Christian beliefs, therefore, I very much understand the passion and frustration of many(if not all) of the posters here have regarding the LDS church.
I also appreciate the knowledge, faith, and conviction of the members here. I have learned a lot from them. That's why I hang around.
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RE: Mormonism? - 9/2/2006 11:07:46 PM
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I was reading through the thread and I found this. Polygamy or "multiple marriages" has been banned since 1890. Any member caught in a polygmist relationship will be swiftly excommunicated.
Interesting that Joseph Smith thought God permitted multiple wives and got his own 48 in before the practice was banned. Better late than never I always say.
JS died in 1844 way before the practice was banned. 48 wives??? Have to check that out. BY had the most wives I believe.....and children.
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RE: Mormonism? - 9/2/2006 11:09:22 PM
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Ask a Mormon who they believe Jesus was and ask him the same question about Satan?
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RE: Mormonism? - 9/3/2006 1:31:54 PM
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Harvest Harmony,
Perhaps you can illuminate your thoughts on what I am saying here. In church today as we were singing praises to God, God spoke to my heart through one of the songs we were singing.
One of the songs we sang spoke of God counting and knowing the stars by name. From reading about the LDS God, I was wondering how you think about your God the Father and what He is capable of knowing. From what I've read, He seems rather limited since He was created prior to His being a God. How can your God count all the stars and know them by name, limited as He is? Ps 147:4 "He determines the number of the stars and calls them each by name." When I read this verse, it speaks to me that God is above all humans in knowledge. He also counts all the hairs on our heads. Matthew 10:30 "And even the very hairs of your head are all numbered." Your God is created and not likely to have the kind of knowledge that the Bible speaks of God having.
The LDS also teaches that man can be as God is now. From my perspective God is a God that I want to be submissive and respectful towards forever. I don't want to be His peer. I don't want to know all the stars by name or be able to count the hairs on a person's head or be aware of every bird that falls from the sky. I want to leave those details with God where they belong. I am the created, He is the creator, and I want to be in submission to Him all my life, both here and forever, leaving Him in charge of all that is. I just can't imagine desiring wanting to be a God in charge of other worlds. That's not a submissive role at all. And not a very positive one to look forward too, either in my opinion.
The Bible states that after this life we live, those who go on to be with the Lord will no longer have any tears. Revelations 21:4 "He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away." It is clear to me that the possibility of discontent and sorrow for not only people (that is men turned Gods) but God Himself is likely to continue forever. There is no end to suffering and pain and tears as each world that is inhabited will begin again the cycle all over. I can't even fathom why this possibility is attractive to those who say they love God. I may still sin in this life, but when I do I grieve for God deep in my heart. I imagine all the grief we humans put God through with our sin and wanting to be the ones in charge of our own lives and destiny here in this world. The world is full of people who wont submit to God--read the newspapers for those who question this truth. How our sin grieves our God. And to think it is to go on forever, that God will not take it all away after we go to be with Him, but we will be part of the continuing cycle. No, I choose my Christian God Who sent us Jesus to take away the sin of the world. After we leave this world to be with God, there will be no more pain and suffering. And I for one will be very pleased not only for my own personal benefit from a sinless existence, but for my God Who every time I and others sin is saddened. I long for His joy as well as my own.
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RE: Mormonism? - 9/3/2006 11:26:51 PM
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Harvest Harmony,
Perhaps you can illuminate your thoughts on what I am saying here. In church today as we were singing praises to God, God spoke to my heart through one of the songs we were singing.
One of the songs we sang spoke of God counting and knowing the stars by name. From reading about the LDS God, I was wondering how you think about your God the Father and what He is capable of knowing. From what I've read, He seems rather limited since He was created prior to His being a God. How can your God count all the stars and know them by name, limited as He is? Ps 147:4 "He determines the number of the stars and calls them each by name." When I read this verse, it speaks to me that God is above all humans in knowledge. He also counts all the hairs on our heads. Matthew 10:30 "And even the very hairs of your head are all numbered." Your God is created and not likely to have the kind of knowledge that the Bible speaks of God having.
The LDS also teaches that man can be as God is now. From my perspective God is a God that I want to be submissive and respectful towards forever. I don't want to be His peer. I don't want to know all the stars by name or be able to count the hairs on a person's head or be aware of every bird that falls from the sky. I want to leave those details with God where they belong. I am the created, He is the creator, and I want to be in submission to Him all my life, both here and forever, leaving Him in charge of all that is. I just can't imagine desiring wanting to be a God in charge of other worlds. That's not a submissive role at all. And not a very positive one to look forward too, either in my opinion.
The Bible states that after this life we live, those who go on to be with the Lord will no longer have any tears. Revelations 21:4 "He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away." It is clear to me that the possibility of discontent and sorrow for not only people (that is men turned Gods) but God Himself is likely to continue forever. There is no end to suffering and pain and tears as each world that is inhabited will begin again the cycle all over. I can't even fathom why this possibility is attractive to those who say they love God. I may still sin in this life, but when I do I grieve for God deep in my heart. I imagine all the grief we humans put God through with our sin and wanting to be the ones in charge of our own lives and destiny here in this world. The world is full of people who wont submit to God--read the newspapers for those who question this truth. How our sin grieves our God. And to think it is to go on forever, that God will not take it all away after we go to be with Him, but we will be part of the continuing cycle. No, I choose my Christian God Who sent us Jesus to take away the sin of the world. After we leave this world to be with God, there will be no more pain and suffering. And I for one will be very pleased not only for my own personal benefit from a sinless existence, but for my God Who every time I and others sin is saddened. I long for His joy as well as my own.
I like Harvest Harmony so much better than Harvesthoney. I might change it.
First of all, I can't answer your questions fully due to the possible violations of the TOS. Second, if I could answer them you still won't be satified. Right??
So my question to you is: Why are you so interested in the LDS faith??? Is it to learn something or just bash everything about it??
There are other websites/forums/message boards you can go to with your questions and get detailed answers. I believe the purpose of Crosswalk is to uplift and edify not tear down and bash.
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RE: Mormonism? - 9/4/2006 10:22:26 AM
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First of all, I can't answer your questions fully due to the possible violations of the TOS. Second, if I could answer them you still won't be satified. Right??
So my question to you is: Why are you so interested in the LDS faith??? Is it to learn something or just bash everything about it??
There are other websites/forums/message boards you can go to with your questions and get detailed answers. I believe the purpose of Crosswalk is to uplift and edify not tear down and bash.
I'm sorry I ruffled your feathers, but this is a Christian website and you are here where Christians gather to share what God is teaching them, not me at a LDS website. My intention is not to bash your beliefs but to understand them in light of what I believe. Personally, I have the same question of you. Why are you here? Are you questionning what you have been taught, has God brought you here and He's trying to speak to you through this site? I don't think God brought you here to witness to us and change our way of believing. The TOS requirements prevent your doing so. So what good is it of you to be here if you can't witness to Christians? Hopefully truth is all any of us here are trying to share--including not only me but you, too.
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RE: Mormonism? - 9/4/2006 2:06:43 PM
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I'm sorry I ruffled your feathers, but this is a Christian website and you are here where Christians gather to share what God is teaching them, not me at a LDS website. My intention is not to bash your beliefs but to understand them in light of what I believe. Personally, I have the same question of you. Why are you here? Are you questionning what you have been taught, has God brought you here and He's trying to speak to you through this site? I don't think God brought you here to witness to us and change our way of believing. The TOS requirements prevent your doing so. So what good is it of you to be here if you can't witness to Christians? Hopefully truth is all any of us here are trying to share--including not only me but you, too.
No, you haven't ruffled my feathers, but I have given it a lot of thought as to why I come to this site. The people here are people of faith. I can relate to that. They are also very knowlegable about the bible here. I feel I can learn from them (which I have). This isn't the only thread at Crosswalk I visit or post on. Although I appreciate your intention of trying to understand my faith in light of what you believe, it just can't happen here.
The LDS church uses the KJV Bible along with other texts that are considered scripture. So trying to answer questions or explain certain doctrinal points fully is very difficult without referencing these other texts.
I don't feel I need to witness to Christians because they already know Christ.
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RE: Mormonism? - 9/4/2006 3:41:51 PM
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I don't feel I need to witness to Christians because they already know Christ.
Yes, I agree Christians on this forum already know Christ, but Mormons come to people's homes witnessing whether the person claims to be a Christian or not. They don't accept the Christian's declaration that they know Christ.
My question to you is do you know Christ? It seems to me that you believe you do. And of course just because a person is here on this forum or attends a church, whether it be a Christian church or not, doesn't a Christian make. I attended church as a child and religious classes growing up, but didn't get saved until ten years ago. I considered myself a Christian when I wasn't. You very well could be saved already even in a LDS church. It's possible. God knows your heart. I hope for your sake that you do have a relationship with Jesus. And this leads to this question:
Who is Christ? Do you believe Jesus is God? And to clarify, the question is not is Jesus A god, but rather is He THE God. Are He and the Father one? If you say yes, then you believe what Christians believe. If not, then that's a problem. Perhaps you believe it doesn't really matter if you believe Christ is God or not, but it does matter.
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