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ORIGINAL: Piff.
essentially, is this a thread full of orthodox Christians discussing Mormon doctrines?

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ORIGINAL: Piff.

just out of curiousity, how many of these ideas and notions discussed in this thread are actually from the mouth (err, fingers) or a practicing Mormon?

essentially, is this a thread full of orthodox Christians discussing Mormon doctrines?

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ORIGINAL: cybrjewls

Greetings! It is written in Hebrews regarding how Jesus is High Priest Forever according to the order of Melchezidek. Which means that Melchezidek ordered it to be so; therefore it must have been Christ Jesus as well for Only The Father Could Order Such a Fulfillment Prophecy as thus who was indwelling the Son of Man directly. No one knows The Father except The Son, and no one knows The Son of Man except The Father; and those to whom HE chooses to reveal. For instance, the Desolation Decrees in revelation are By The Order of God Most High; himself; written for us to take warning ahead of time!

The Disciples did not recognize His ascended form from hades return to earth although their hearts were burning when He Spoke to them. The Romans and the Sanhedrin could not recognize Him for He could walk right through them if it Was The Father's Will.

Christ can take on any personal traits; for it is written: you have done this to Me, when you did it to someone else. Especially regarding those of The Holy Faith in Christ Jesus. Christ is One With The Father in Heaven as written and, therefore, OmniPresent ideas should Present themselves..... Where Christ is still present over hades in the parable of the rich man and lazarus as written and can be communcated with. I Will Be With You, even to the end of age..... until the 'raptura' event into The Millennium and able to carry in on through Armageddon on to The Great And Terrible Day of The Lord before The Judgment Seat of He Who Reigns Most Highly Exalted Above All.

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ORIGINAL: harvesthoney

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ORIGINAL: cybrjewls

Also, The Priest of Jerusalem called Melchezidek was, in fact the 'preincarnate' Jesus; is my understanding as well. For it is also written how God spoke with Abraham directly concerning Soddom and Gammorah.

I'm confused..."The Priest of Jerusalem called Melchezidek was, in fact the 'preincarnate' Jesus;" Who teaches this???

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ORIGINAL: crankius

Here is a collection of helpful quotes on what mormonism teaches about the birth of Jesus. After they list the many quotes, they conclude:

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You might ask, "How can Mormons say that Christ was born of a virgin when leaders have consistently described an act common to the reproductive process?" This is accomplished by changing the definition of the word virgin. Since Mormonism teaches Mary did not have sexual relations with a mortal man, but instead was impregnated by an immortal man, some Mormons feel that they can still use the phrase virgin birth. As Bruce McConkie said,

"For our present purposes, suffice it to say that our Lord was born of a virgin, which is fitting and proper, and also natural, since the Father of the Child was an immortal Being." (The Promised Messiah, p. 466; emphasis added)

"Our Lord is the only mortal person ever born to a virgin, because he is the only person who ever had an immortal Father." (Mormon Doctrine, 2nd ed., p. 822; emphasis added)

"Mary was a virgin... until after the birth of our Lord. Then, for the first time, she was known by Joseph, her husband; and other children, both sons and daughters, were then born to her. (Matt. 13:55-56; Mark 6:3; Gal. 1:19.) She conceived and brought forth her Firstborn Son while yet a virgin because the Father of that child was an immortal personage." (Doctrinal New Testament Commentary, vol. 1, p. 82; emphasis added)

As president Joseph F. Smith said,

"Mary, the virgin girl, who had never known mortal man, was his mother." (Box Elder Stake conference of December 20, 1914; emphasis added)

When one considers that the LDS Church also teaches that every human born on earth is a literal child of God, the above quotes become even more blasphemous. Mormon leaders have maintained that all humans, Mary included, were born first in a spiritual state known as the pre-existence. If Mormon leaders are telling the truth when they say that God physically impregnated Mary, then we have no other recourse than to assume the Jesus of Mormonism was created by way of an incestuous relationship.

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ORIGINAL: Piff.

Where do YOU fit in these different groups?

what a very direct question, and interesting the emphasis you placed on the word "you". is this an attempt to "smoke out" any mormons in hiding?

i am christian, thank you very much.

honestly, i dont see the point in me identifying myself in terms of presonal beliefs... what if i was mormon, would that automatically discredit my opinion... would you treat me differently? i must say, it's quite revealing that the first question you have posed to me is to basically state my religions affiliation.

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Also, I would appreciate it if in the future, rather than trying to coerce me to state an opinion or stance, if you would merely ask me directly for clarification on my posts or statements. I'm a pretty open guy.

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ORIGINAL: JimboFletch

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ORIGINAL: cybrjewls

Jesus said I condemn no one, I Judge only as I Hear. Jesus said not to condemn lest you too be condemned.

If you believe that then you do not understand scripture or how to handle it, much less how teach it. Jesus clearly taught that we are to discern and expose the wicked and perverters of the Gospel. Nowhere does He tell us to accept those that change the Gospel of Grace purchased by His precious blood into a religion of works that replaces His redemption.

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ORIGINAL: Piff.

just out of curiosity, how many of these ideas and notions discussed in this thread are actually from the mouth (err, fingers) or a practicing Mormon?

essentially, is this a thread full of orthodox Christians discussing Mormon doctrines?

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Spreading false lies about other people is worthless gossip and faultfinding which is written regarding busybodies. Blessed are they that are so treated because of Jesus is written; for their rewards are great is written. Knowledge was nothing to Paul is written; add to Faith knowledge OF (from) God is written.

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ORIGINAL: davemiller7

Sorry, God may have spoken through Melchezidek to Abraham, but that is far different from Melchezidek being "the preincarnate Jesus." Melchizedek was a human, king of Salem, and a priest, not The Christ.

Gen 14:18
Then Melchizedek king of Salem brought out bread and wine. He was priest of God Most High,
(NIV)

-Dave

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ORIGINAL: cybrjewls

Greetings! It is written in Hebrews regarding how Jesus is High Priest Forever according to the order of Melchezidek. Which means that Melchezidek ordered it to be so; therefore it must have been Christ Jesus as well for Only The Father Could Order Such a Fulfillment Prophecy as thus who was indwelling the Son of Man directly. No one knows The Father except The Son, and no one knows The Son of Man except The Father; and those to whom HE chooses to reveal. For instance, the Desolation Decrees in revelation are By The Order of God Most High; himself; written for us to take warning ahead of time!

The Disciples did not recognize His ascended form from hades return to earth although their hearts were burning when He Spoke to them. The Romans and the Sanhedrin could not recognize Him for He could walk right through them if it Was The Father's Will.

Christ can take on any personal traits; for it is written: you have done this to Me, when you did it to someone else. Especially regarding those of The Holy Faith in Christ Jesus. Christ is One With The Father in Heaven as written and, therefore, OmniPresent ideas should Present themselves..... Where Christ is still present over hades in the parable of the rich man and lazarus as written and can be communcated with. I Will Be With You, even to the end of age..... until the 'raptura' event into The Millennium and able to carry in on through Armageddon on to The Great And Terrible Day of The Lord before The Judgment Seat of He Who Reigns Most Highly Exalted Above All.

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ORIGINAL: harvesthoney

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ORIGINAL: cybrjewls

Also, The Priest of Jerusalem called Melchezidek was, in fact the 'preincarnate' Jesus; is my understanding as well. For it is also written how God spoke with Abraham directly concerning Soddom and Gammorah.

I'm confused..."The Priest of Jerusalem called Melchezidek was, in fact the 'preincarnate' Jesus;" Who teaches this???

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Welcome to the forums.

Your curiosity can be put to rest by reading the whole thread. It addresses many differences between mormonism and Christianity.

At the moment, the thread has one professing mormonism participating. The rest of us are Christians of various mainstream, mostly Protestant denominations. Much earlier in the thread there have been other mormons discussing their belief system.

Once you have read the thread, you will see that dialogue has been presented by Christians against the false teachings of mormonism.
Scriptural support of our beliefs have been provided. It isn't merely opinion, or feeling or even a "burning bosom testimony". It is the Word of God.

Why do you ask?

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If there is truly discussion of worth in this thread then I will gladly take the take to look thru this 66 page thread. however, if it merely is just one group of people commenting on how "untrue" a specific group of people's beliefs are, then i'm not so interested.

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ORIGINAL: Piff.

correct, i did state as such. it should be noted, the reponse i gave in a previous thread was in response to being asked to interpret a scripture for the purposes of, again, identifying my religious affiliation.

however, i wasn't offended by a direct question nor was i offended in general... i merely made a behaviorial observation based on the fact that i was immediately asked to identify myself after making an initial post in this thread.

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ORIGINAL: Piff.

not to contribute to the topic deviation but...

if the purpose of the above scripture is to allude to the possibility of me being "ashamed" or unwilling to proclaim the gospel of Jesus Christ and Jesus Christ as my savior and redeemer... then it is done so under unwarranted pretenses. upon being asked, i proclaimed myself a follower of Christ (post #1629) without hesitation.

however, the posts i made following that one pertain to the notion that in order for my comments to have meaning or to possibly be respected were subject to the beliefs which i subscribed to... this idea was confirmed to be true of jimbofletch. which personally, i feel to be troubling and i dont feel there should be a criteria for a person's opinion to be of worth or even valid.

but that's just me.

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ORIGINAL: Fritzpw_Admin

Melchizedek isn't the topic for this thread.

Please continue that discussion in a different thread.

Thanks!

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ORIGINAL: Piff.

understood.

my use of the word "worth" was merely confined to the purposes of discussion, not of worth in general.

if you would like to get into docrtine and things of that nature, by all means... start another thread.

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ORIGINAL: Piff.
...however, the posts i made following that one pertain to the notion that in order for my comments to have meaning or to possibly be respected were subject to the beliefs which i subscribed to... this idea was confirmed to be true of jimbofletch. which personally, i feel to be troubling and i dont feel there should be a criteria for a person's opinion to be of worth or even valid.

but that's just me.