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RE: Do we need an UNNatural childbirth support and disc... - 6/4/2008 11:33:41 PM
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PrincessDonna
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I hate even a heplock. If I have one of those, I might as well have a full IV. I've been told that once an IV is in, it should not hurt, but I have never had one that didn't hurt the entire time it was in. I've also been laughed at by more than one nurse when I tell them I canNOT use my IV hand to do anything. 
Last baby, I was GBS+, so I had to have an IV as soon as I got there, and for 12 hours afterward. Hoping to avoid that this time, but it's not something I'm willing to not get and risk the baby getting sick, so if I have to, I have to.
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RE: Do we need an UNNatural childbirth support and disc... - 6/4/2008 11:39:11 PM
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I hate even a heplock. If I have one of those, I might as well have a full IV.
Yup, and that's the part I didn't quite get. If you have a heplock, you DO have an IV. It's just not hooked up. So honestly, what difference does it make if it's hooked up?
But it seems like in most places it doesn't make a difference...you can still walk, etc.
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RE: Do we need an UNNatural childbirth support and disc... - 6/5/2008 2:06:10 AM
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TammyIsBlessed
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Ugh, the IV was almost the worst part of it all!
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RE: Do we need an UNNatural childbirth support and disc... - 6/5/2008 7:52:04 AM
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And, especially when I read the natural thread, I feel really bizarre about this....but I'm not looking for a "birth experience." At this point I don't feel as if I have any expectation other than to get the baby out, and have me and baby both healthy in the end. I'm pretty laid back in general, so maybe that's part of it? I'm not sure. Reading some things makes me feel like I should care more. But I just kind of look at labor and delivery as something I have to do to get the end result...my baby.
No need to feel bizarre - and certainly don't let anyone else make you feel bizarre.
I never was into the whole "natural childbirth" thing - not before my first child, after my first child, or after my second child.
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RE: Do we need an UNNatural childbirth support and disc... - 6/16/2008 10:34:20 PM
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And, especially when I read the natural thread, I feel really bizarre about this....but I'm not looking for a "birth experience." At this point I don't feel as if I have any expectation other than to get the baby out, and have me and baby both healthy in the end. I'm pretty laid back in general, so maybe that's part of it? I'm not sure. Reading some things makes me feel like I should care more. But I just kind of look at labor and delivery as something I have to do to get the end result...my baby.
No need to feel bizarre - and certainly don't let anyone else make you feel bizarre.
I never was into the whole "natural childbirth" thing - not before my first child, after my first child, or after my second child.
Sometimes I think natural childbirth should sound appealing to me in general (not like I'm planning on having kids or anything), but I think I would identify with those women who feel safer in a hospital and following their orders unless they're outrageous. I know a lot of women who know that they can birth at home and that they might not NEED everything that might happen at a hospital, but they feel better going that route. I think I'd be one of those (although I tend naturally toward UNnatural modern medicine, lol). I might be safe at home; I think I'd feel safer and more at ease at a hospital. I've heard other women say the same, and they're educated plenty.
I was going to say to purejoy though about: "I'm pretty laid back in general, so maybe that's part of it? I'm not sure. Reading some things makes me feel like I should care more." Some women (like my sister) don't make a big issue of it...and I don't think they're bad women. My sis just wanted her baby alive and her alive. I know some want a spiritual experience, etc. but she was never like that. She's laid back and non-chalant...just went to the hospital and had the baby whatever way they did it. It's not that you don't care enough... you're just different, and that's okay.
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RE: Do we need an UNNatural childbirth support and disc... - 6/16/2008 11:25:28 PM
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Thanks, gals.
I guess that's the funny part...I'm not uneducated. In fact, I'm very educated in both areas. And I am totally and completely fine with a hospital birth. I know certain things I don't want from a hospital birth, and certain things I do want.
Maybe it's partly because I'm laid-back-not-looking-for-a-birth-experience, and partly because in general I'm very comfortable with hospitals. They don't scare me, so there isn't that aspect of it, either. I know why they're doing what they're doing, and if I don't, I will ask. I know when to say yes, when to say no, when to ask for something different. So I don't feel like things will be forced on me.
Like I said, I'm not sure exactly why I am this way, but that's just where I'm at. To be perfectly honest, I am not scared of labor and delivery, but I'm not looking forward to it...it just is what it is. I AM looking forward to my baby!!! 
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RE: Do we need an UNNatural childbirth support and disc... - 6/16/2008 11:34:14 PM
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Sounds normal to me! I loved delivering at 2 of the 3 hospitals I gave birth in. And the 3rd one I just didn't like because of the post pardum setup - had nothing to do with the doctors. Well, except for the fact that because it was a training hospital everything took forever because I had to keep waiting for the resident doctor before every little thing.
With the first 3 I had an IV because of being induced. With #4 I let them do a heplock (my dr felt very strongly about that because during residency she witnessed a woman totally crash during labour and how difficult it was to get an IV into her because the veins clamp down or something). Anyway, I was fine with that, though it was uncomfortable. Ended up having to have pitocin after the cytotec anyway, so IV again!
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RE: Do we need an UNNatural childbirth support and disc... - 6/17/2008 7:24:47 PM
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The thing about an infusing IV is it too easy for the nurse to add fluids or meds that you didn't plan on getting.
At the birth that I observed recently, the nurse gave meds after the mother had given birth, without really explaining anything well to any one, I really felt like the nurse took advantage of the situation to quickly pop up a bag of IV fluids with Pitocin in it( I think). Then I wasn't comfortable that she really was keeping a close eye on how much meds the mother got. But thats just my observation.
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RE: Do we need an UNNatural childbirth support and disc... - 6/17/2008 7:32:30 PM
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The thing about an infusing IV is it too easy for the nurse to add fluids or meds that you didn't plan on getting.
At the birth that I observed recently, the nurse gave meds after the mother had given birth, without really explaining anything well to any one, I really felt like the nurse took advantage of the situation to quickly pop up a bag of IV fluids with Pitocin in it( I think). Then I wasn't comfortable that she really was keeping a close eye on how much meds the mother got. But thats just my observation.
That is the big problem I have with IVs during labour ... the nursing staff add stuff at the doc'c request (or of their own free will at times) without telling the labouring woman or her support people ... in one case, the inducing OB thought my friend was being 'too dramatic' about the labour and was being 'too loud' (she was trying to make sounds to relieve some of the pressure she was feeling ...) so told the nurse to give her something for the pain to make her shut up ... and what the OB ordered (and what the nurse gave) was Demerol ... neither of them bothered checking her chart ... she is very allergic to Demerol and went into anaphylactic shock. Several doses of Epi later, she ended up being fine, but baby ended up having to be born via emergency c-section due to crashing vitals.
(And for the record, nothing ever came of the medical negligence of both the OB and the RN ... my friend was traumatized, and still is ... she never wants to have another child, lest this happen again!)
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RE: Do we need an UNNatural childbirth support and disc... - 6/17/2008 7:34:13 PM
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Brandy, I was induced with cervadil/rupture of membranes/pitocin. *My* recommendation would be to have them keep the Pitocin at the LOWEST possible or just have your water broken. Personally, my body was not entirely ready for labor and it still took 17 hours from when my water was broken until when Gabby was born. However, if they break your water you can't really "take it back", ya know? But if it's an induction for low amniotic fluid then they obviously want her out regardless so they aren't going to let you go home if the pitocin doesn't work.
Anyway, I am rambling.
1) Low pitocin
2) Rupture of membranes and NO pitocin or a low, low level of it if your contractions don't start on their own, which, since you are already over due they most likely will do.
ETA- Do you know what your Bishop Score is?
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RE: Do we need an UNNatural childbirth support and disc... - 6/17/2008 7:37:11 PM
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OK ladies, there's a chance I may be induced tonight.
We will discuss the how's later tonight but she may want to start with a cervix med and then proceed to Pit.
My question..
How do I help to make sure I don't go from Pit induction to c-section? If baby is in danger I will go for it, but I just worry with all that I've seen/read with Pit inductions with moms needing the C 'to save the baby' because of the side effects of the Pit itself, not because baby was ill or in danger prior to the Pit itself.
I don't know the answer to that because I was never induced and I had #1 and #2 natural (no time for pain meds!), #3 was an emergency C and #4 was a VBAC took her time coming. I was in labor for 2.5 days - pain meds ----- oh yeah!!
I will be in prayer for you though!
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RE: Do we need an UNNatural childbirth support and disc... - 6/17/2008 7:49:34 PM
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Brandy
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C-sections are common after pit inductions because of failure to progress. That means nothing happens at all, something happens too slowly, or labor starts then stalls. This is more common than babies experiencing duress during labor.
Just wanted to throw that tid-bit out there so you don't go into an induction with fears about your baby handling it.
If you hear a wisper, threat, or suggestion that the baby is not doing well - DEMAND that the pit be turned off immediately. There is a great chance your body will continue to labor on it's own without the drug and it's effects. For some reason many Drs don't like to do that, but they have to comply with your wishes.
Pit can be turned back on if your labor stops completely.
((Brandy))
Ya, I've told hubby that he may have to get forceful with them turning Pit off if I ask for it and they dismiss me, he's all prepared to be mean man.
So far the midwives have been VERY supportive, she said she doesn't want to induce, she likes spontaneous labor much more. I like that direction.
The nurse that treated me in L&D talked to me about how they handle things, they are there to support us and help us as needed, they aren't there to push their agenda. So as long as I do ok there won't be an OB lingering with scalpel ready.
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RE: Do we need an UNNatural childbirth support and disc... - 6/17/2008 7:55:42 PM
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I agree with Ryanne...if you agree to pit, make them keep it low and turn it off at the slightest problem with baby. I think I would push for vigorously stripping the membranes tonight and hopefully that will work on its own. Sounds like your cervix is already favorable, so it shouldn't take much to get it going.
I have had some pitocin with all of my births, and no c-sections. My labors just take forever and keep stalling. I also have to have mega doses of it afterwards because of my history of hemorrhaging with my first.
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RE: Do we need an UNNatural childbirth support and disc... - 6/17/2008 8:02:21 PM
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I was actually told by a local OB (a really nice one, too) that the Pitocin during labour was most likely part of the cause of my post-partum hemorrhaging ... too much uterine stimulation causing tears within. I'm had post-partum problems with all of them (all were augmented with Pit) This time around, I am going to demand to be Pit-free ... even if it means I have to deliver out in the back woods surrounded by bears!!! We'll see if there is any difference at all.
What gets me is that you are supposed to have a window of 24 hours from water breaking to delivery ... but local policy (both hospital and midwives -- legislation, aargh!) is that if you are not averaging 1cm per hour, labour must be augmented. Which means instead of 24 hours to deliver, you really have 10 at the most before they intervene.
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RE: Do we need an UNNatural childbirth support and disc... - 6/17/2008 8:03:34 PM
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I was actually told by a local OB (a really nice one, too) that the Pitocin during labour was most likely part of the cause of my post-partum hemorrhaging ... too much uterine stimulation causing tears within.
I know for a fact this was not the problem in my case. Just so ya know...
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RE: Do we need an UNNatural childbirth support and disc... - 6/17/2008 8:05:37 PM
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I was actually told by a local OB (a really nice one, too) that the Pitocin during labour was most likely part of the cause of my post-partum hemorrhaging ... too much uterine stimulation causing tears within.
I know for a fact this was not the problem in my case. Just so ya know...
I know that usually the opposite is true ... he just made that comment in regards to my very wonky system ... I'm also the one who has severe hemorrhagic periods which need to be controlled by heavy duty coagulating meds. So what is the 'norm' for most people is usually the reverse for my body.
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RE: Do we need an UNNatural childbirth support and disc... - 6/17/2008 8:05:50 PM
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I was actually told by a local OB (a really nice one, too) that the Pitocin during labour was most likely part of the cause of my post-partum hemorrhaging ... too much uterine stimulation causing tears within.
I know for a fact this was not the problem in my case. Just so ya know...
Mine either, and I had the legal limit of Pitocin for about 12 hours 
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RE: Do we need an UNNatural childbirth support and disc... - 6/17/2008 8:11:18 PM
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PrincessDonna
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Okay, Kara. I just didn't want Brandy or anyone else to think that was the normal. Have you ever been diagnosed with a bleeding or clotting disorder?
With my first, I had placenta accreta, confirmed by emergency surgery afterward. The other deliveries had no trouble (PRAISE GOD!!!), but the mega-loads of pitocin afterward are a precaution I am willing to deal with. It's not that bad once the baby is out anyway. I could sleep through it then.
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Hospital policy is that if you have an IV, you stay in bed, and I didn't want to be kept in bed. 
My "experience" is last on my list of reasons to avoid interventions.
