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RE: Do we need an UNNatural childbirth support and disc... - 3/1/2008 5:12:01 PM
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manda59
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The sad part is that I wanted to have a C-sect. I explained that I had a previous C-section and that I was feeling a burning along the area of the scar. My uterus ruptured and had to be repaired. Due to the added scar tissue, I could no longer carry a baby.
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Are you saying that they wouldn't let you have a C-section, even though you wanted one?
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RE: Do we need an UNNatural childbirth support and disc... - 3/1/2008 6:47:38 PM
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It all seems a bit strange to me, very different to how I'd expect things to be done for someone who'd already had one section. The fact that you'd already had a Caesarean should have meant that you were closely monitored in labour to make sure that your scar wasn't in danger of rupturing. When I was in labour with my 2nd child, my scar was regularly checked by the registrar for any problematic signs. I was also given an epidural, so that if there were any early signs of problems with the scar, they could whip me in right away for a section.
I am sorry things weren't done as they should have been done for you.
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RE: Do we need an UNNatural childbirth support and disc... - 3/2/2008 10:52:59 AM
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It all seems a bit strange to me, very different to how I'd expect things to be done for someone who'd already had one section. The fact that you'd already had a Caesarean should have meant that you were closely monitored in labour to make sure that your scar wasn't in danger of rupturing. When I was in labour with my 2nd child, my scar was regularly checked by the registrar for any problematic signs. I was also given an epidural, so that if there were any early signs of problems with the scar, they could whip me in right away for a section.
I am sorry things weren't done as they should have been done for you.
It was '93. I had already stated that I wanted to attempt a VBAC and VBACs were all the rage. In fact, in our area, a mom who didn't attempt a VBAC was somehow looked down on. I don't know why. Drs. who didn't encourage VBACs were considered money hungry. I'm glad that women have the choices available to them now, natural, medications, epidurals, C-sects, VBACs, etc. Afterall, the most important thing is to do what is best for baby and mom. A woman isn't more heroic just because she had all of her babies in a cabin in the woods, miles from any medical assistance. Also a woman who trusts her dr and her body and goes with whatever medical procedures is still a woman and a mom. Every woman has to decide what is best for her baby and herself. If she does the best thing for both of them, then that is what makes her heroic.
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RE: Do we need an UNNatural childbirth support and disc... - 3/11/2008 4:24:44 PM
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I could be wrong, but I think a intrathecal is basically a spinal. The give you one single injection into the spinal column to numb you. With an epidural a catheter is placed in your back and it is a continuous drip and the nurses can control it, like turning it off when it is time to push so you are able to regain some feeling. Again I could be wrong, but I do think this is the big difference between the two.
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RE: Do we need an UNNatural childbirth support and disc... - 3/11/2008 4:28:23 PM
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PrincessDonna
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What is the difference between intrathecal and epidural? My hospital currently does not do epidurals and is looking into possibly doing them. They do currently do intrathecal.
I have had both. My hospital did not do epidurals until I had Hannah. I have had essentially the same effects from both an intrathecal and an epidural. I know they aren't exactly the same thing, but the effect on me was pretty close. I had relief from pain, but could still feel pressure and the urge to push.
It was a long time ago (8 years), but I *think* I remember that the intrathecal will run out after a certain amount of time, where the epidural they can set to have a constant amount of medication. By the time the intrathecal stopped working for me, it was time to push, so that was fine with me. Both of my epidurals have lost their effectiveness at that same time also.
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RE: Do we need an UNNatural childbirth support and disc... - 4/8/2008 6:54:48 PM
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I have to admit, this thread made me laugh. I think anybody who pushes out something the size of a watermelon through a 10 cm hole has done it naturally. Or anybody who allows their stomach to be cut open for the sake of a baby's life deserves respect. Just because you had drugs does not mean it wasn't natural. I don't think there is a crown in heaven for going through this without drugs. I've done it both ways with my four children, and there was no difference in the health and welfare of my children and it certainly didn't make me feel like more of a woman because of the lack of drugs. The Lord has blessed our society with the knowledge to help make our lives better and easier, and for that I am extremely thankful. Whenever people talk of home-births, I shudder, because if my son had been born at home, he would have died.
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RE: Do we need an UNNatural childbirth support and disc... - 4/8/2008 9:28:08 PM
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I didn't read all the posts...but just had to add my two cents worth...one thing women too often forget is that childbirth is NOT a pass/fail class.....the whole point is to get baby into the world as healthy as possible and for mother to be as healthy as possible...and sometimes that means medical intervention in many different forms...be it medication, inducement or c-section.
The whole point is to bring that baby wailing into the world....and thank God that C-sections exist for those times when the mom's body or the baby needs the help.
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RE: Do we need an UNNatural childbirth support and disc... - 4/9/2008 9:50:30 PM
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I didn't read all the posts...but just had to add my two cents worth...one thing women too often forget is that childbirth is NOT a pass/fail class.....the whole point is to get baby into the world as healthy as possible and for mother to be as healthy as possible...and sometimes that means medical intervention in many different forms...be it medication, inducement or c-section.
The whole point is to bring that baby wailing into the world....and thank God that C-sections exist for those times when the mom's body or the baby needs the help.
Thank you so much for that. I have wanted to say the same...but since I do not post much in this folder, don't have much "sway".
I have seen posters talk about birthing any way other than "natural" as failing.
Sad.
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RE: Do we need an UNNatural childbirth support and disc... - 4/10/2008 11:50:27 AM
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Thank you so much for that. I have wanted to say the same...but since I do not post much in this folder, don't have much "sway".
I have seen posters talk about birthing any way other than "natural" as failing.
Sad.
Posting much has nothing to do with 'sway'. All are welcome here as well as all opinions...
I've never seen *anyone* on here post that a c-section means that a woman has failed as a mother, woman, or in the birthing process...not sure where you've seen that.
I have seen lots of advice for education, love and encouragement shown to mothers who've had birth experiences that did not line up with what they wanted...or were not told all the facts before having to undergo a vacuum extraction (like my first birth), or with a c-section, or with any other type of intervention that the momma later came to realize wasn't absolutely necessary.
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RE: Do we need an UNNatural childbirth support and disc... - 4/10/2008 1:16:05 PM
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landabee
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Clag4Christ, I am pm-ing you...
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RE: Do we need an UNNatural childbirth support and disc... - 4/10/2008 1:32:09 PM
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landabee
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Posting much has nothing to do with 'sway'. All are welcome here as well as all opinions...
I respectfully disagree. LOL. But it's all good.
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I've never seen *anyone* on here post that a c-section means that a woman has failed as a mother, woman, or in the birthing process...not sure where you've seen that.
I'd rather not go "out-ing" posters, as I respect their individual convictions, preferences and choices. I only wish that all women of childbearing age that post here were afforded the same consideration.  Why on earth would we need this thread otherwise? 
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I have seen lots of advice for education, love and encouragement shown to mothers who've had birth experiences that did not line up with what they wanted...or were not told all the facts before having to undergo a vacuum extraction (like my first birth), or with a c-section, or with any other type of intervention that the momma later came to realize wasn't absolutely necessary.
I concur that there is a wealth of knowledge shared in this folder among the women. I also strongly agree with being informed. I also feel that many births are overly managed. But the occurrence of c-section, epidurals, etc are not automatically to be assumed unnecessary.
Once again, that is why apparently this UNnatural birth thread was created and is needed. Not to fight with natural birth... but to acknowledge that there are a myriad of means of birthing babes. And that not all births go according to plan for a myriad of reasons. Some valid, and some sadly not.
Be blessed.
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RE: Do we need an UNNatural childbirth support and disc... - 4/10/2008 1:34:36 PM
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I concur that there is a wealth of knowledge shared in this folder among the women. I also strongly agree with being informed. I also feel that many births are overly managed. But the occurrence of c-section, epidurals, etc are not automatically to be assumed unnecessary.
Absolutely agree!
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RE: Do we need an UNNatural childbirth support and disc... - 4/10/2008 1:34:47 PM
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I agree that there is defintely some unwritten rule that moms who go it natural *must* be better, and deserve a medal 
I have done both. I have run the gauntlet from natural, to epidural, to induction, to semi-natural.
I am all for natural childbirth, but not in the way most think. What I mean when I say natural, is women being educated about their own bodies, making informed decisions, and doing what is best for them and thier child, based on thier own unique situation, and BEING EDUCATED. That's what's natural. Women being treated like ignorant cattle who are too stupid and emotional to make thier own choices is not natural.
Sandy
This post from early in the thread says it so much clearer than I did. So I re-posted it.
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RE: Do we need an UNNatural childbirth support and disc... - 4/10/2008 8:53:17 PM
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I think that some women have very rigid ideas about labor and birth before they actually get to the real labor and birth. I have seen women lambast others who needed induction and c-sections and then they ended up having the same thing. Things become different when we actually walk in those shoes, though.
Everyone has a right to be wrong, right?
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RE: Do we need an UNNatural childbirth support and disc... - 4/14/2008 9:58:20 PM
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I just thought I would bring this up again as we have alot of women about to give birth and alot of this info was good :)
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RE: Do we need an UNNatural childbirth support and disc... - 4/16/2008 7:56:54 PM
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I was wondering what experiences people have had of pethidine (demerol) during labour? Did it help, not help at all? Did you have any side effects/some kind of reaction to it?
Pethidine gave me tactile hallucinations, made me say weird things, and also gave me the feeling of rising up above my hospital bed and looking down on myself (still in pain). I also had a feeling of my skin crawling and being trapped.
That was with the delivery of my first child. I so wanted to avoid that that I opted for an epidural for my second delivery. And even though it was only effective for part of the time, I am so glad that I went for it and didn't have pethidine again. I've now had it written on my medical notes that I am not ever to be given pethidine.
(the reason I knew the reactions came from the pethidine was this:some months later I was having a wrist operatio and was given my pre-med. All of a sudden I had those same feelings rushing through my body; before I went to "sleep" under the anaesthetic I kept telling myself to remember to ask them, when I woke up, what the pre-med was. When I came to, I asked - and lo and behold it was pethidine.  When I had my other wrist operated on, I asked for a different pre-med.)
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RE: Do we need an UNNatural childbirth support and disc... - 4/16/2008 8:34:03 PM
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This last time the only drug I used (even with a pitocin induction) was laughing gas. It helped just enough!
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