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Romney a Christian? - 1/16/2008 1:31:36 PM
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Rick4Him
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We've all heard the many times Mitt claims to be a Christian. I know many Mormons attempt to claim the LDS church is a Christian denomination. If you have been a Christian for a while and looked into this false religion you know it is far from Christian, even if Joel Osteen says he is.
Did you know Romney held the top level state position for the Mormon church at one time? He's a temple Mormon. He knows all the in's and out's of the religion to include the secret stuff and the all important departure from the Jesus of scripture. Now if he claims to be a Christian just like any other follower of "Christ alone", then he is decieving us.
I just heard a poll from today that nationally Romney held a small lead over Huckabee from the evangelicals. WOW!! I'll asume it is because they are voting the issues instead of their religion. Or is it that evangelicals really don't know what Mormons believe?
My question is, how can you vote for soemone who appears to be very dishonest about his beliefs, just to get elected?
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RE: Romney a Christian? - 1/16/2008 2:44:42 PM
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I don't believe any evangelicals think Mormons are Christian and, depite the well-oil LDS PR machine, I think Americans generally know that Mormons are a separate religion.
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My question is, how can you vote for soemone who appears to be very dishonest...?
Two words:
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Clinton
'Nuff said?
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RE: Romney a Christian? - 1/16/2008 4:08:02 PM
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Is Gov. Romney a true Christian? No
Will I vote for him if he is the Republican nominee for President? Yes.
A Mormon can be a good Conservative President even if he is not saved. And if it is Romney vs Clinton or Obama then I REALLY would rather have a Mormon president rather than one of those two.
What upsets me are people who say they will not vote for him because he is LDS. They may agree with everything else he says, but because he is a mormon, oh cant vote for him. Frankly that is the stupidest logic I may have ever heard, and it will be the thing that gets us either Sen Clinton or Sen Obama as president. And then it will be these same morons who refused to vote for Romney, who complain the loudest, and blame everyone else when THEY were apart of the problem.
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RE: Romney a Christian? - 1/16/2008 4:19:17 PM
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Is Romney a Christiam: no? Will he promote a conservative agenda: yes.
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RE: Romney a Christian? - 1/16/2008 4:38:19 PM
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We voted for Bush and he is not a Christian so I guess we can vote for Romney who is kind of Conservative. Then again Bush was kind of conservative and look where we are now.
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RE: Romney a Christian? - 1/16/2008 4:56:31 PM
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No, he's not Christian. The Mormon founder(s) basically latched onto the term "Christ" for the sole purpose of giving the false movement credibility...and to gain a following more easily. I bet the Church leaders are playing with magic rocks right now, claiming Romney's a chosen prophet....just like ol' Joseph Smith, who ran for President himself.
The Mormons are a dangerous organization / cult. They view actual Christians in the same light as Islamic extremists. Don't vote for this man!!! Mormons would not hesitate to destroy the fabric and foundation of Christian America, to further the Mormon cause. I'd vote for an atheist over a Mormon in a heartbeat.
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RE: Romney a Christian? - 1/16/2008 5:23:48 PM
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The Mormons are a dangerous organization / cult. They view actual Christians in the same light as Islamic extremists. Don't vote for this man!!! Mormons would not hesitate to destroy the fabric and foundation of Christian America, to further the Mormon cause. I'd vote for an atheist over a Mormon in a heartbeat.
This seems unlikely - I mean presumably Romney in his term as Governor of Mass. had on staff at least a few Christians, and I know he works now with a number of others - can you imagine someone who thinks Christians are the equivalent of Islamic extremists doing that?
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RE: Romney a Christian? - 1/16/2008 8:37:01 PM
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What upsets me are people who say they will not vote for him because he is LDS. They may agree with everything else he says, but because he is a mormon, oh cant vote for him. Frankly that is the stupidest logic I may have ever heard, and it will be the thing that gets us either Sen Clinton or Sen Obama as president. And then it will be these same morons who refused to vote for Romney, who complain the loudest, and blame everyone else when THEY were apart of the problem.
I'm not saying I'd never vote for him, but being LDS is a big thing to me. I wouldn't have trouble voting for a Muslim, a Buddhist, an atheist or a Hindu. I do have trouble with Mormons. Why? Because they operate like a cult (secret knowledge, heavy emphasis on finances, hidden agenda, etc). Because they are dishonest and use trickery to recruit new members. Because the religion's basic tenets are extremely sexist (we're not talking about some Mormon's being sexist - I mean their very faith is sexist). Because they change their basic beliefs to suit man (and I'm not talking about realizing they had been wrong in their interpretation and changing how they interpret but suddenly having a "prophecy" in which to change their basic tenets of the faith to please the crowds) such as their views of blacks and how Jesus came to be. Because on the surface they are very pro-family, but how they operate is anything but (I live in an area that is heavily Mormon so I know what I'm talking about). Because if you really look into what they actually believe (something only a good Mormon will know because they hide so much from those who are not in "good standing" with the church), it is downright scary that anyone with basic skills in judgement could believe that garbage. Etc, etc, etc.
You cannot separate your faith from your office - unless you don't really believe the faith your profess. Either way, that doesn't speak well of the person running.
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RE: Romney a Christian? - 1/16/2008 11:36:42 PM
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What upsets me are people who say they will not vote for him because he is LDS. They may agree with everything else he says, but because he is a mormon, oh cant vote for him. Frankly that is the stupidest logic I may have ever heard, and it will be the thing that gets us either Sen Clinton or Sen Obama as president. And then it will be these same morons who refused to vote for Romney, who complain the loudest, and blame everyone else when THEY were apart of the problem.
I'm not saying I'd never vote for him, but being LDS is a big thing to me. I wouldn't have trouble voting for a Muslim, a Buddhist, an atheist or a Hindu. I do have trouble with Mormons. Why? Because they operate like a cult (secret knowledge, heavy emphasis on finances, hidden agenda, etc). Because they are dishonest and use trickery to recruit new members. Because the religion's basic tenets are extremely sexist (we're not talking about some Mormon's being sexist - I mean their very faith is sexist). Because they change their basic beliefs to suit man (and I'm not talking about realizing they had been wrong in their interpretation and changing how they interpret but suddenly having a "prophecy" in which to change their basic tenets of the faith to please the crowds) such as their views of blacks and how Jesus came to be. Because on the surface they are very pro-family, but how they operate is anything but (I live in an area that is heavily Mormon so I know what I'm talking about). Because if you really look into what they actually believe (something only a good Mormon will know because they hide so much from those who are not in "good standing" with the church), it is downright scary that anyone with basic skills in judgement could believe that garbage. Etc, etc, etc.
You cannot separate your faith from your office - unless you don't really believe the faith your profess. Either way, that doesn't speak well of the person running.
You will not get an argument from me on the errors and evils of the LDS religion. That being said, a Conservative LDS President, would be 1000 times better than Sen. Clinton or Sen. Obama as president. And while I agree that technically you cant separate your faith from your office, also keep in mind that the President, even a LDS one, does not have the power to single handedly force the United States to follow his faith, or in any way use the office to further LDS goals.
People use to have the same problem with Catholics when President Kennedy was running. And while Pre. Kennedy is a bad example for Catholics, when he was president the Pope did NOT control the country as some predicted would happen if he was elected. The same is true with Gov. Romney. While he is a faithful LDS member, that membership will not influence his running of this country. LDS leaders will NOT be pulling the strings or anything like that.
Remember, we are not electing a religious leader. We are electing a civil leader. As such, it is the civil policy of a person that we should look at a lot more than ones faith.
I am proud to say that I will vote for any one, of any faith, of any race, of either gender, if their views on government are close to or the same as mine.
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RE: Romney a Christian? - 1/17/2008 7:58:51 AM
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I am proud to say that I will vote for any one, of any faith, of any race, of either gender, if their views on government are close to or the same as mine. As it should be. 
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RE: Romney a Christian? - 1/17/2008 10:28:07 AM
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The Mormons are a dangerous organization / cult. They view actual Christians in the same light as Islamic extremists. Don't vote for this man!!! Mormons would not hesitate to destroy the fabric and foundation of Christian America, to further the Mormon cause. I'd vote for an atheist over a Mormon in a heartbeat.
This seems unlikely - I mean presumably Romney in his term as Governor of Mass. had on staff at least a few Christians, and I know he works now with a number of others - can you imagine someone who thinks Christians are the equivalent of Islamic extremists doing that?
I meant they view Christians as infidels, not as terrorists. Yes, I can imagine him working with "infidels"...people do it all the time. However, a President that views the majority of people in the country as an infidel is not good...to say the least.
The Mormon Church is a fraud. They bleed tax payers. The book of Mormons is poorly written and quite funny to read (it angers me that they added to the Scriptures). We don't even have to discuss the polygamy, pedophile and incest issues to know they are askew. The mainstream LDS Church, like Romney, condemn this practice - however, it was ordained by their prophet Joseph Smith to be a directed revelation from God. Joseph Smith "bedded" a lot of 13 year olds..great guy, eh?. I think he had like 30 wives. If Romney condemns this practice, he is in essence condemning the words of his prophet and the whole Mormon Church with it. He's a fraud, and a poor Governor. To think of a Mormon in the White House gives me chills....the ship is already going down (thanks to GWB, Clinton, et al) so Romney would just be icing on the cake.
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RE: Romney a Christian? - 1/17/2008 12:13:43 PM
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I think it was Luther, who said he would rather be ruled by a wise Turk, than an ignorant Christian.
Exactly, and this is the principle that will guide my vote, and I think it should guide others.
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RE: Romney a Christian? - 1/17/2008 12:17:16 PM
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Rick4Him
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I don't believe any evangelicals think Mormons are Christian and, depite the well-oil LDS PR machine, I think Americans generally know that Mormons are a separate religion.
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My question is, how can you vote for soemone who appears to be very dishonest...?
Two words:
Bill
Clinton
'Nuff said?
Come on Jim, I believe there are plenty of people who call themselves Christians who know nothing about Mormonism accept for what they get from TV and Radio. And that is that they are Christians.
Rick
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RE: Romney a Christian? - 1/17/2008 12:28:14 PM
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Rick4Him
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I have always voted for the politican, who has the biggest, blackest, Bible, in their photo-op, leaving church.
Then you must have voted for Bill Clinton, he alwyas was aired by reporters entering church Sunday morning carrying his big black bible. If would have only read it and followed it.
Rick
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RE: Romney a Christian? - 1/17/2008 12:39:50 PM
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I don't believe any evangelicals think Mormons are Christian and, depite the well-oil LDS PR machine, I think Americans generally know that Mormons are a separate religion.
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My question is, how can you vote for soemone who appears to be very dishonest...?
Two words:
Bill
Clinton
'Nuff said?
Come on Jim, I believe there are plenty of people who call themselves Christians who know nothing about Mormonism accept for what they get from TV and Radio. And that is that they are Christians.
Rick
That's true. There are even people that call themselves Christians who know nothing about Christianity! GWB..nuff said.
Politicians frequently "appear" to be something they aren't. GWB was a great example. He and the Bush family were known swindlers....from the S&L rip off to GWB's Ranger Stadium deal, right up to the present day with Haliburton and his banker buds. They don't want taxpayer dollars spent on social programs, they want taxpayer dollars in their pockets!
Hopefully, a strong Independent or 3rd party candidate enters the race.
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RE: Romney a Christian? - 1/17/2008 2:08:11 PM
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I have always voted for the politican, who has the biggest, blackest, Bible, in their photo-op, leaving church.
Then you must have voted for Bill Clinton, he alwyas was aired by reporters entering church Sunday morning carrying his big black bible. If would have only read it and followed it.
Rick
Yes, that's exactly who I was thinking of when I wrote that. I think that was the "Hey Look At Me" edition of the scriptures,he was carrying, published by Al Sharpton Press, availible only inside the beltway(extra freight charges because of the size).
When on Glenn Beck's show, not long before his death, Jerry Fallwell was asked if he could support a Mormon for POTUS. He replied that he was not voting for his Sunday School teacher. Works for me. It's the policy and the agenda of the candidate, period.
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RE: Romney a Christian? - 1/17/2008 8:52:40 PM
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What upsets me are people who say they will not vote for him because he is LDS. They may agree with everything else he says, but because he is a mormon, oh cant vote for him. Frankly that is the stupidest logic I may have ever heard, and it will be the thing that gets us either Sen Clinton or Sen Obama as president. And then it will be these same morons who refused to vote for Romney, who complain the loudest, and blame everyone else when THEY were apart of the problem.
I'm not saying I'd never vote for him, but being LDS is a big thing to me. I wouldn't have trouble voting for a Muslim, a Buddhist, an atheist or a Hindu. I do have trouble with Mormons. Why? Because they operate like a cult (secret knowledge, heavy emphasis on finances, hidden agenda, etc). Because they are dishonest and use trickery to recruit new members. Because the religion's basic tenets are extremely sexist (we're not talking about some Mormon's being sexist - I mean their very faith is sexist). Because they change their basic beliefs to suit man (and I'm not talking about realizing they had been wrong in their interpretation and changing how they interpret but suddenly having a "prophecy" in which to change their basic tenets of the faith to please the crowds) such as their views of blacks and how Jesus came to be. Because on the surface they are very pro-family, but how they operate is anything but (I live in an area that is heavily Mormon so I know what I'm talking about). Because if you really look into what they actually believe (something only a good Mormon will know because they hide so much from those who are not in "good standing" with the church), it is downright scary that anyone with basic skills in judgement could believe that garbage. Etc, etc, etc.
You cannot separate your faith from your office - unless you don't really believe the faith your profess. Either way, that doesn't speak well of the person running.
You will not get an argument from me on the errors and evils of the LDS religion. That being said, a Conservative LDS President, would be 1000 times better than Sen. Clinton or Sen. Obama as president. And while I agree that technically you cant separate your faith from your office, also keep in mind that the President, even a LDS one, does not have the power to single handedly force the United States to follow his faith, or in any way use the office to further LDS goals.
People use to have the same problem with Catholics when President Kennedy was running. And while Pre. Kennedy is a bad example for Catholics, when he was president the Pope did NOT control the country as some predicted would happen if he was elected. The same is true with Gov. Romney. While he is a faithful LDS member, that membership will not influence his running of this country. LDS leaders will NOT be pulling the strings or anything like that.
Remember, we are not electing a religious leader. We are electing a civil leader. As such, it is the civil policy of a person that we should look at a lot more than ones faith.
I am proud to say that I will vote for any one, of any faith, of any race, of either gender, if their views on government are close to or the same as mine.
I never said that I thought he would turn everyone into LDS. I said that being LDS, for the reasons I listed above plus more, are things that cause me grave concern and make me extremely hesitant to support him. It has nothing to do with whether I think his religion is right or not. Like I said, I would have no hesitation in voting for a Buddhist candidate. And for the life of me, I don't know why folks are so anti-Catholic. And I'm not saying I would never vote for an LDS candidate, but being LDS is not the same thing as being Catholic... or even Muslim.... I believe that ones faith is the core of who they are and how they view the world. Mormonism isn't just wrong, it's a predatory, deceptive religion that preys on people and tries to trick them into a lie. I find that highly repugnant. Highly.
You may not think it's as big a deal as I do. That's fine. We can agree to disagree. But there are some things that cause me great concern. By your logic, we shouldn't be concerned about Hillary getting elected because she doesn't have that much power. What about someone like Fred Phelps? He's conservative. What about someone from the KKK? You might agree more "politically" with them than you do Hillary Clinton, but are you seriously suggesting that you'd rather vote for the Grand Dragon of the KKK than Obama?
There are lines we must draw and values we must uphold. We each have different ones. Mine is that I find Mormonism a repugnant religion and I have seen the pain it has caused. I find that a great concern. Will Romney convert everyone? Of course not and I never claimed that, but being a part of that troubles me greatly and it's a line I have a hard time crossing. His faith is who he is and I find that troubling.
If Romney gets the nomination, I honestly don't know what I'll do. Maybe I will end up voting for him. Who knows? That doesn't change the fact that a man whose faith is cult-like, is not something I am comfortable with in the White House. Period.
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RE: Romney a Christian? - 1/20/2008 4:10:31 PM
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its obvious that his mormonism is a concern to many christians, my sister was a mormon that came into the light. 
One thing to think about is that he has a public record to look at in helping make a decision on electing him to another public office.
I know that if it is Romney against (fill in democrat name) Im voting for Romney. Not voting may as well be a vote in the direction of socialsim. THE THING I find amazing is how many people dont see that, THAT is what honestly scares me.
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RE: Romney a Christian? - 1/21/2008 4:42:54 PM
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What upsets me are people who say they will not vote for him because he is LDS. They may agree with everything else he says, but because he is a mormon, oh cant vote for him. Frankly that is the stupidest logic I may have ever heard, and it will be the thing that gets us either Sen Clinton or Sen Obama as president. And then it will be these same morons who refused to vote for Romney, who complain the loudest, and blame everyone else when THEY were apart of the problem.
I'm not saying I'd never vote for him, but being LDS is a big thing to me. I wouldn't have trouble voting for a Muslim, a Buddhist, an atheist or a Hindu. I do have trouble with Mormons. Why? Because they operate like a cult (secret knowledge, heavy emphasis on finances, hidden agenda, etc). Because they are dishonest and use trickery to recruit new members. Because the religion's basic tenets are extremely sexist (we're not talking about some Mormon's being sexist - I mean their very faith is sexist). Because they change their basic beliefs to suit man (and I'm not talking about realizing they had been wrong in their interpretation and changing how they interpret but suddenly having a "prophecy" in which to change their basic tenets of the faith to please the crowds) such as their views of blacks and how Jesus came to be. Because on the surface they are very pro-family, but how they operate is anything but (I live in an area that is heavily Mormon so I know what I'm talking about). Because if you really look into what they actually believe (something only a good Mormon will know because they hide so much from those who are not in "good standing" with the church), it is downright scary that anyone with basic skills in judgement could believe that garbage. Etc, etc, etc.
You cannot separate your faith from your office - unless you don't really believe the faith your profess. Either way, that doesn't speak well of the person running.
All the above are equally enemies of God and not worthy of a vote from someone who claims God... All false religions are evil to such a degree that it renders the person who follows them unworthy to rule of men. How can a Christian vote for someone who hates God?
John
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