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phosadaud -> RE: Romney a Christian? (1/17/2008 8:52:40 PM)
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ORIGINAL: Stephanos
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What upsets me are people who say they will not vote for him because he is LDS. They may agree with everything else he says, but because he is a mormon, oh cant vote for him. Frankly that is the stupidest logic I may have ever heard, and it will be the thing that gets us either Sen Clinton or Sen Obama as president. And then it will be these same morons who refused to vote for Romney, who complain the loudest, and blame everyone else when THEY were apart of the problem.
I'm not saying I'd never vote for him, but being LDS is a big thing to me. I wouldn't have trouble voting for a Muslim, a Buddhist, an atheist or a Hindu. I do have trouble with Mormons. Why? Because they operate like a cult (secret knowledge, heavy emphasis on finances, hidden agenda, etc). Because they are dishonest and use trickery to recruit new members. Because the religion's basic tenets are extremely sexist (we're not talking about some Mormon's being sexist - I mean their very faith is sexist). Because they change their basic beliefs to suit man (and I'm not talking about realizing they had been wrong in their interpretation and changing how they interpret but suddenly having a "prophecy" in which to change their basic tenets of the faith to please the crowds) such as their views of blacks and how Jesus came to be. Because on the surface they are very pro-family, but how they operate is anything but (I live in an area that is heavily Mormon so I know what I'm talking about). Because if you really look into what they actually believe (something only a good Mormon will know because they hide so much from those who are not in "good standing" with the church), it is downright scary that anyone with basic skills in judgement could believe that garbage. Etc, etc, etc.
You cannot separate your faith from your office - unless you don't really believe the faith your profess. Either way, that doesn't speak well of the person running.
You will not get an argument from me on the errors and evils of the LDS religion. That being said, a Conservative LDS President, would be 1000 times better than Sen. Clinton or Sen. Obama as president. And while I agree that technically you cant separate your faith from your office, also keep in mind that the President, even a LDS one, does not have the power to single handedly force the United States to follow his faith, or in any way use the office to further LDS goals.
People use to have the same problem with Catholics when President Kennedy was running. And while Pre. Kennedy is a bad example for Catholics, when he was president the Pope did NOT control the country as some predicted would happen if he was elected. The same is true with Gov. Romney. While he is a faithful LDS member, that membership will not influence his running of this country. LDS leaders will NOT be pulling the strings or anything like that.
Remember, we are not electing a religious leader. We are electing a civil leader. As such, it is the civil policy of a person that we should look at a lot more than ones faith.
I am proud to say that I will vote for any one, of any faith, of any race, of either gender, if their views on government are close to or the same as mine.
I never said that I thought he would turn everyone into LDS. I said that being LDS, for the reasons I listed above plus more, are things that cause me grave concern and make me extremely hesitant to support him. It has nothing to do with whether I think his religion is right or not. Like I said, I would have no hesitation in voting for a Buddhist candidate. And for the life of me, I don't know why folks are so anti-Catholic. And I'm not saying I would never vote for an LDS candidate, but being LDS is not the same thing as being Catholic... or even Muslim.... I believe that ones faith is the core of who they are and how they view the world. Mormonism isn't just wrong, it's a predatory, deceptive religion that preys on people and tries to trick them into a lie. I find that highly repugnant. Highly.
You may not think it's as big a deal as I do. That's fine. We can agree to disagree. But there are some things that cause me great concern. By your logic, we shouldn't be concerned about Hillary getting elected because she doesn't have that much power. What about someone like Fred Phelps? He's conservative. What about someone from the KKK? You might agree more "politically" with them than you do Hillary Clinton, but are you seriously suggesting that you'd rather vote for the Grand Dragon of the KKK than Obama?
There are lines we must draw and values we must uphold. We each have different ones. Mine is that I find Mormonism a repugnant religion and I have seen the pain it has caused. I find that a great concern. Will Romney convert everyone? Of course not and I never claimed that, but being a part of that troubles me greatly and it's a line I have a hard time crossing. His faith is who he is and I find that troubling.
If Romney gets the nomination, I honestly don't know what I'll do. Maybe I will end up voting for him. Who knows? That doesn't change the fact that a man whose faith is cult-like, is not something I am comfortable with in the White House. Period.
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