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RE: Is Alison Krauss a Christian? - 1/22/2008 5:28:35 PM
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krazyxsinner
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With the drugs womanizing, drinking, hedonism et all I would say not a Christian.
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RE: Is Alison Krauss a Christian? - 1/24/2008 5:15:36 AM
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You can't judge a persons heart, but you can judge their works.
Plenty of people claim christianity - but you have to look at the fruit to see how close it matchs up. Faith without works is dead.
Allison Krauss (and Natasha Bedingford) dress and pose suggestivly enough when it suits them. Not saying either or them arn't followers or believers in Jesus Christ, but they both do.
I've never understood why so many christians are so happy to let entertainers get away with blue murder just because they're 'glamorous' christians. Really irritates me.
And both might be 'lite' christians.
But using your body to sell your music is still using your body to sell your music. And both of them do it. (So does Brooke Fraser who also sings with hillsong).
The bible tells us that 'no sexually immoral person will enter the kingdom of God'. If God actually says what he means - then entertainers waving their cleavage and spreading their legs at everyone to sell more albums arn't going to be waltzing in any time soon. - But what's sadder is that other christians encourage them to do it by telling them that it's ok or look in the other direction when it happens. Why? Because they're famous.
You have to wonder who's the more at fault when you see it, the ones doing it or the ones supporting them in it.
God's standards are the same for everyone. They don't change the moment you get your face on a bunch of magazine covers.
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RE: Is Alison Krauss a Christian? - 1/24/2008 6:02:59 AM
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Alison Krauss womanizing? What racy tabloids are you reading? Even if that were possible, it's highly unlikely. As for the Christian aspect, who are we to judge the sincerity of her heart? I highly doubt that she would have featured several songs on her albums written by Ron Block (one of her musicians) which have Christian themes, unless she too were a believer--or, even further, that she would have produced a collaborative gospel album with The Cox Family entitled, "I Know Who Holds Tomorrow"!
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RE: Is Alison Krauss a Christian? - 1/24/2008 7:59:46 AM
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Status: offline Alison Krauss womanizing? What racy tabloids are you reading? Even if that were possible, it's highly unlikely. As for the Christian aspect, who are we to judge the sincerity of her heart? I highly doubt that she would have featured several songs on her albums written by Ron Block (one of her musicians) which have Christian themes, unless she too were a believer--or, even further, that she would have produced a collaborative gospel album with The Cox Family entitled, "I Know Who Holds Tomorrow"!
This was in reference to Elvis. Wake up.
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RE: Is Alison Krauss a Christian? - 1/24/2008 12:50:21 PM
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Elvis Presley recorded gospel songs and I wouldn't consider him a Christian artist. Then you need to do more research. I suggest you rent the "He Touched Me" dvd. I think you'll find Elvis' faith was as strong as anyone else's. But like most of us, the flesh got in the way. I was very surprised at some of the things that were said about his faith by the people he spent the most time with.
One quick story that was told by one of the guys from The Stamps: At a concert one night, an entire row held up a huge banner declaring "Elvis is the King!". Elvis stopped in the middle of the song to tell them "No, Jesus Christ is the only King."
ETA: What gtrdave said! In spades!!!
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RE: Is Alison Krauss a Christian? - 1/24/2008 1:59:57 PM
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Then it's sufficient enough for you and me and Elvis if we're willing to receive it. And if we're fortunate enough to live under that grace, we'd best be willing to extend it to others...the measure that's been extended to us.
We can only hope he accepted on that commode but we will not know this side of Heaven. My mother in law claimed to be a Christian her whole life but hated Jesus. Maybe she accepted before her heart attack but we just don't know.
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RE: Is Alison Krauss a Christian? - 1/25/2008 8:32:53 PM
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Allison Krauss (and Natasha Bedingford) dress and pose suggestivly enough when it suits them. Not saying either or them arn't followers or believers in Jesus Christ, but they both do.
I've never understood why so many christians are so happy to let entertainers get away with blue murder just because they're 'glamorous' christians. Really irritates me.
And both might be 'lite' christians.
But using your body to sell your music is still using your body to sell your music. And both of them do it. (So does Brooke Fraser who also sings with hillsong).
I agree...artists shouldn't be using their body or looks to sell their music, and yet it's done all the time, even in Christian music. I wouldn't necessarily put them in or out of the kingdom of God either, just based on their clothing choices, but believers should strive for modesty (and that can differ from person to person...there's black, white and grey when it comes to clothing choices.)
Granted, I don't see CCM artists spreading their legs out or flashing a lot of cleavage...but there are quite a few attractive CCM singers who have at least looked "glamorous"....
...I mean to say that we, the listeners, are often attracted to our favorite artists by the way they look, as well as how talented they are.
My question to myself....would I still be a big Alison Krauss fan if she happened to be unattractive? I don't have an easy answer for that.
How many top CCM female singers are plain or unattractive? Can't think of any offhand. There may be a singer out there ten times more talented than any current star, but might not have the looks to be a "star" themselves....sad to say.
No CCM star dresses immodestly, as far as I an tell, but there are some very attractive ladies out there (Natalie Grant, Nicole Nordeman, Joy Williams, etc. come to mind).
Lastly, while I agree that Alison has adopted a "sexier", more glamorous look designed to showcase her feminine charm (and sell more albums, I'm sure), I have never seen her wear something truly immodest (never seen her spreading legs and flashing cleavage, etc.). I wouldn't call her sexually immoral for wearing a glamorous, yet tasteful gown...but I would guess it is to enchance her appeal and sell more albums...which is a shame, really, because her talent alone should be enough.
I'm speaking as a man, of course.....yes, I admit that looks do enhance things a bit...but as a music lover, they really don't matter.
I think there's nothing wrong with looking attractive without crossing the line into immodesty, but if it's just to sell more records...I don't have an easy answer to that one.
I've rambled enough on the subject! Thanks for all your input.
If I'm off base on this subject, let me know.
Blessings!
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RE: Is Alison Krauss a Christian? - 1/25/2008 8:38:52 PM
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...and I might as well add Cheri Keaggy to the list of female CCM singers that are "easy on the eyes"...I saw her in concert a long time ago, and I confess being smitten by her looks as well as her abilities.
Just trying to keep it real. Here's another thought: since CCM is marketed and produced by the big record labels now, is that why looks seem more important nowadays?
I mean, the secular record labels are looking to sell as many albums as they can, bottom line, and if that means "sexing" it up a bit and watering down lyrics a bit, so be it..
Do I paint an accurate picture, or do I exaggerate? It makes me wonder.
Blessings yet again, and thanks for all the input, as usual!
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RE: Is Alison Krauss a Christian? - 1/25/2008 8:43:46 PM
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...my apologies for any typos or grammatical errors in the last two posts.
For those who are concerned about that type of thing.
Blessings.
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RE: Is Alison Krauss a Christian? - 1/25/2008 10:13:43 PM
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Lastly, I actually like Natasha Bedingfield. I bought her first album for my daughter, and I listen to it more than she does! It's well-crafted pop with decent lyrics...I have also heard that she is a Christian...I read somewhere that she was on a Hillsong UK praise and worship album (not that recording such an album makes one a Christian, but...) ...anyway, my facts are sketchy at best, but that's what I heard.
I used to live in Britain. Last year Bedingfield did an interview with a British magazine where she stated that she was a Christian and enjoyed attending church.
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Alison Krauss is a beautiful lady with a beautiful voice who has made some enjoyable and memorable music...I guess that's all I can say at this point!
Blessings to all!
I, personally, don't care whether she's a Christian. I enjoy listening to many secular singers. If Kraus is a Christian, though, then I don't hold it against her for not wearing her faith on her sleeve. Like it or not, CCM does not have a good reputation, even among some Christians (like me). Maybe Kraus feels that she'll be a more effective witness if she doesn't associate herself with those stereotypes.
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RE: Is Alison Krauss a Christian? - 1/26/2008 11:29:05 PM
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Are we debating Alison Krauss or CCM in general, if the latter, then I have to add my 2 cents:
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No CCM star dresses immodestly, as far as I an tell, but there are some very attractive ladies out there (Natalie Grant, Nicole Nordeman, Joy Williams, etc. come to mind).
Thats because according to Shania Twain, Nashville has a dress code.
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RE: Is Alison Krauss a Christian? - 1/28/2008 3:45:37 AM
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Allison Krauss (and Natasha Bedingford) dress and pose suggestivly enough when it suits them. Not saying either or them arn't followers or believers in Jesus Christ, but they both do.
I've never understood why so many christians are so happy to let entertainers get away with blue murder just because they're 'glamorous' christians. Really irritates me.
And both might be 'lite' christians.
But using your body to sell your music is still using your body to sell your music. And both of them do it. (So does Brooke Fraser who also sings with hillsong).
I agree...artists shouldn't be using their body or looks to sell their music, and yet it's done all the time, even in Christian music. I wouldn't necessarily put them in or out of the kingdom of God either, just based on their clothing choices, but believers should strive for modesty (and that can differ from person to person...there's black, white and grey when it comes to clothing choices.)
Granted, I don't see CCM artists spreading their legs out or flashing a lot of cleavage...but there are quite a few attractive CCM singers who have at least looked "glamorous"....
...I mean to say that we, the listeners, are often attracted to our favorite artists by the way they look, as well as how talented they are.
My question to myself....would I still be a big Alison Krauss fan if she happened to be unattractive? I don't have an easy answer for that.
How many top CCM female singers are plain or unattractive? Can't think of any offhand. There may be a singer out there ten times more talented than any current star, but might not have the looks to be a "star" themselves....sad to say.
No CCM star dresses immodestly, as far as I an tell, but there are some very attractive ladies out there (Natalie Grant, Nicole Nordeman, Joy Williams, etc. come to mind).
Lastly, while I agree that Alison has adopted a "sexier", more glamorous look designed to showcase her feminine charm (and sell more albums, I'm sure), I have never seen her wear something truly immodest (never seen her spreading legs and flashing cleavage, etc.). I wouldn't call her sexually immoral for wearing a glamorous, yet tasteful gown...but I would guess it is to enchance her appeal and sell more albums...which is a shame, really, because her talent alone should be enough.
I'm speaking as a man, of course.....yes, I admit that looks do enhance things a bit...but as a music lover, they really don't matter.
I think there's nothing wrong with looking attractive without crossing the line into immodesty, but if it's just to sell more records...I don't have an easy answer to that one.
I've rambled enough on the subject! Thanks for all your input.
If I'm off base on this subject, let me know.
Blessings!
If a picture [is provocative] regardless of whether it's blatant or subtle - the person is using sex to sell something. Plain and simple.
You might not find anything wrong with these pictures - but do you think people deliberatly posing like this to sell albums are doing nothing wrong in God's books? Do you think he wouldn't view it as 'sexually immoral'?
Can anyone be forgiven? Yes. But they can't do it by claiming 'special case - I'm famous'.
To follow christ you have to actually follow christ. I've seen the one in red of natasha in a christians magazine as a role model thing for christian women. What a joke. I can't believe that some people think this is 'fine'. Is it as bad as normal secular standards across the board? No. But does that make it right? No.
Would christ take his shirt off, sling his trousers low on his hips and hang around outside the carpentry shop winking at girls to whip up business. "Hey sugar, want me to build you a bedframe"?
My point is that christians who support it and do it, are both walking in pretty hypocritical territory. And it doesn't say much for our witness to non-believers when we pull a cover over it and claim it's ok.
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RE: Is Alison Krauss a Christian? - 1/28/2008 9:41:36 AM
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I agree. In my opinion, Natasha seems more guilty of this than Alison...but it is what it is. I like their music, but no, they shouldn't be "sexing" it up to sell albums....if they are indeed Christians.
Exactly what is proper attire for a female entertainer? Maybe it's not the wearing of a glamorous gown or dress, but the way one poses...the attitude conveyed by the picture.
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My point is that christians who support it and do it, are both walking in pretty hypocritical territory.
I consider myself someone who enjoys Alison Krauss as a musician and singer....if I buy her CD's and listen to her music, am I supporting her poor wardrobe choices as well?
I have no issue whatsoever with her music (except for maybe one song, "Let Me Touch You").
I choose to look past her image at this point, and just enjoy the music. Believe me, I'm not listening to her music because she wears a sexy dress. When the music becomes "sexed up", that's when I quit.
I started this thread because I was wondering if she might be a believer....that's all. If she is, does she struggle with the whole image thing? Does she regret "sexing things up"? Is this something she needs to repent of, and rein things in a bit?
The only ones who know the answers to those questions are Alison and God. She doesn't have to be perfect for me to acknowledge her talent and enjoy her music. If she claims to be a believer though, she should be mindful of her image and the effect it has on people.
Blessings.
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RE: Is Alison Krauss a Christian? - 1/28/2008 1:33:39 PM
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Not being familiar at all with Brooke Fraser, I looked her up.....yes, she is attractive and at the very least, "glamorous"...now I realize some women are just flat out attractive and you can't hide that fact, even with modest apparel.
That said, as a Christian, she too has to watch herself in this area....is this a marketing ploy by the record company, coupled with poor judgment / naivete on her part? Or does she know exactly what she's doing, stubbornly refusing any correction?
Never heard her sing, so I cannot comment on her talents.
Blessings yet again.
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RE: Is Alison Krauss a Christian? - 1/29/2008 12:35:14 PM
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Now i'm not a country/bluegrass music fan, but have heard some of Allison Krauss's music (mostly in cracker barrell lol). When talking about why she may have recorded a 'out of character' song, something came to my mind. Sometimes in an artist contract they are contractually obligated to do such and such song. That could have been the reason.
Many artists have started with gospel music...i want to say Faith Hill started with a southern gospel group. I could be mixing it up...so feel free to correct me.
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RE: Is Alison Krauss a Christian? - 1/29/2008 8:24:03 PM
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I'm currently listening to the Songs 4 Worship "Country" CD which features artists like Diamond Rio (one of my fav country bands), Rascal Flatts, Bryan White (where's he been?), The Oak Ridge Boys, Charlie Daniels and others.
I wonder if any of them are Christians? I mean, you know, REAL Christians...not the kind that sing a gospel song or a worship song here and there but then live a sinner's life... 
Charlie Daniels, Oak Ridge Boys, Bryan White, and Ricky Scaggs definitely are.
The guys from Rascal Flatts are as well. The only one that ain't to open about it is Joe Don.
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RE: Is Alison Krauss a Christian? - 2/9/2008 1:18:06 AM
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Not being familiar at all with Brooke Fraser, I looked her up.....yes, she is attractive and at the very least, "glamorous"...now I realize some women are just flat out attractive and you can't hide that fact, even with modest apparel.
That said, as a Christian, she too has to watch herself in this area....is this a marketing ploy by the record company, coupled with poor judgment / naivete on her part? Or does she know exactly what she's doing, stubbornly refusing any correction?
Never heard her sing, so I cannot comment on her talents.
Blessings yet again.
Brooke Fraser is a beautiful singer/songwriter. Her lyrics are pure poetry. And she's beautiful. I don't believe there's anything wrong with women dressing feminine and beautiful. They don't have to dress to hide all their skin and dress like the quakers did.
Plus Brooke has a voice to kill for. It's very unusual, as are her looks. I wish she'd make into the U.S. scene sometime.
I love Alison Krauss. Women were created curvy by God and sometimes when you're doing a photo shoot and taking tons of photos there's no way you can or should have to hide the way you are formed. It's not a big deal.
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RE: Is Alison Krauss a Christian? - 2/11/2008 10:32:37 PM
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I think it's nice when someone famous lets the public know they are a christian. Will I enjoy their music more? Maybe. Is it any of our business? Not really, but when has that stopped anybody from wanting to know anything?
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RE: Is Alison Krauss a Christian? - 6/26/2008 10:27:19 AM
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I think that all of you are perhaps too moralist. Alison cannot be atheistic neither nihilist. Perhaps she is not Catholic, because I've not seen/listen a song about the Virgin, that is a great inspiration fountain for us, the catholics.
If she speak about the sex (let me touch) I can't judge her. Sex is a part of the human being, and the song is not a lie about the sex, sometimes I could sing this song thinking in my wife. There are examples in the catholic literature more sex-y than this lyric. (Sorry by my english, I'm from spain).
A lot of spanish writers of sXVII, all of them fervorous catholics, have books, novels that includes episodies more hot than this song. All of these books were aproved by the "Inquisición".
So, if the Inquisición didn't burned them, please, be more charitative with Alison.
And don't "burn" me virtually because my poor english, or because I'm catholic. It can acelerate the Climate Change ;-)
If you want to find more people that lives the Christianism (catholic) without censuring the life, look for a CL comunity in your city. I know some in LA, NY, Washington, ... http://www.comunioneliberazione.org/FirstPage.htm
I like a lot your country music.
Thanks.
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