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and those who insist on making distinctions between Jew and Gentile today are effectively mocking God and mocking the New Covenant.

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For those interested, I espouse New Covenant Theology (NCT). It is the only thing in almost 30 years of studying about the law and the various theologies, i.e, covenant, dispensationalism and all of the off shoots of both, that makes sense.

Here is an overview of NCT, and btw, this sound of grace website is just an awesome resource. I highly, highly recommend it.

http://www.soundofgrace.com/v11/n7/nct_gdl_117.htm

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I wonder, too, if everyone here has read Galations 5:18 in context, in Greek, with emphasis on the word law?

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ORIGINAL: bzirk

Thank you for the link. I'll read it sometime soon. It will be interesting to see how they deal with such things as Gal. 5.

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ORIGINAL: bzirk
Thank you for the link. I'll read it sometime soon. It will be interesting to see how they deal with such things as Gal. 5.

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I don't think believers in the Lord should be separated.

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By his death he ended the whole system of Jewish law that excluded the Gentiles. His purpose was to make peace between Jews and Gentiles by creating in himself one new person from the two groups. Eph 2.15

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[ORIGINAL: ces

By his death he ended the whole system of Jewish law that excluded the Gentiles. His purpose was to make peace between Jews and Gentiles by creating in himself one new person from the two groups. Eph 2.15

Why even talk about something that has ended? Just seems to me that some wish to resurrect the law, IMHO.

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ORIGINAL: a-lily

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[ORIGINAL: ces

By his death he ended the whole system of Jewish law that excluded the Gentiles. His purpose was to make peace between Jews and Gentiles by creating in himself one new person from the two groups. Eph 2.15

Why even talk about something that has ended? Just seems to me that some wish to resurrect the law, IMHO.

11Therefore remember that formerly you, the Gentiles in the flesh, who are called "Uncircumcision" by the so-called "Circumcision," which is performed in the flesh by human hands--
12remember that you were at that time separate from Christ, excluded from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world.
13But now in Christ Jesus you who formerly were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ.
14For He Himself is our peace, who made both groups into one and broke down the barrier of the dividing wall,
15by abolishing in His flesh the enmity, which is the Law of commandments contained in ordinances, so that in Himself He might make the two into one new man, thus establishing peace,” Ephesians 2 11-15




“ordinances” in the Greek is “dogma” in other words the “traditions of man”

So the traditions of man are abolished not the Torah/Law of God.

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There were in the time of Christ and Paul the traditions of man/dogma that separated the Jews and Gentiles. The Jews had even put up a physical wall that kept the Gentiles from going into the Temple. This wall was not mandated by God in the Torah, it was a work of man. Yeshua did away with this wall. Verse 12 confirms that I as a Gentile now may worship along side my believing Jewish brothers and sisters., without having to go through a conversion ritual because the dogma that separated me as a Gentile is abolished.

Shalom
Joy

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ORIGINAL: a-lily

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[ORIGINAL: ces

By his death he ended the whole system of Jewish law that excluded the Gentiles. His purpose was to make peace between Jews and Gentiles by creating in himself one new person from the two groups. Eph 2.15

Why even talk about something that has ended? Just seems to me that some wish to resurrect the law, IMHO.

11Therefore remember that formerly you, the Gentiles in the flesh, who are called "Uncircumcision" by the so-called "Circumcision," which is performed in the flesh by human hands--
12remember that you were at that time separate from Christ, excluded from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world.
13But now in Christ Jesus you who formerly were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ.
14For He Himself is our peace, who made both groups into one and broke down the barrier of the dividing wall,
15by abolishing in His flesh the enmity, which is the Law of commandments contained in ordinances, so that in Himself He might make the two into one new man, thus establishing peace,” Ephesians 2 11-15


So the traditions of man are abolished not the Torah/Law of God.


Shalom
Joy

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Verse 12 confirms that I as a Gentile now may worship along side my believing Jewish brothers and sisters., without having to go through a conversion ritual because the dogma that separated me as a Gentile is abolished.

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ORIGINAL: micah4

Does it have a mode that will auto-shut off if you put pork chops in it?

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ORIGINAL: a-lily

I didn't offer Eph 2 as a prooftext, ces did.

The Greek says what it says.

Shalom
Joy

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The Council at Jersualem

1Some men came down from Judea and began teaching the brethren, "Unless you are circumcised according to the custom of Moses, you cannot be saved."

2And when Paul and Barnabas had great dissension and debate with them, the brethren determined that Paul and Barnabas and some others of them should go up to Jerusalem to the apostles and elders concerning this issue.

3Therefore, being sent on their way by the church, they were passing through both Phoenicia and Samaria, describing in detail the conversion of the Gentiles, and were bringing great joy to all the brethren.

4When they arrived at Jerusalem, they were received by the church and the apostles and the elders, and they reported all that God had done with them.

5But some of the sect of the Pharisees who had believed stood up, saying, "It is necessary to circumcise them and to direct them to observe the Law of Moses."

6The apostles and the elders came together to look into this matter.

7After there had been much debate, Peter stood up and said to them, "Brethren, you know that in the early days God made a choice among you, that by my mouth the Gentiles would hear the word of the gospel and believe.

8"And God, who knows the heart, testified to them giving them the Holy Spirit, just as He also did to us;

9and He made no distinction between us and them, cleansing their hearts by faith.

10"Now therefore why do you put God to the test by placing upon the neck of the disciples a yoke which neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear?

11"But we believe that we are saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, in the same way as they also are."

12All the people kept silent, and they were listening to Barnabas and Paul as they were relating what signs and wonders God had done through them among the Gentiles.

James's Judgment

13After they had stopped speaking, James answered,
saying, "Brethren, listen to me.

14"Simeon has related how God first concerned Himself about taking from among the Gentiles a people for His name.

15"With this the words of the Prophets agree, just as it is written,
16'AFTER THESE THINGS I will return,
AND I WILL REBUILD THE TABERNACLE OF DAVID WHICH HAS FALLEN,
AND I WILL REBUILD ITS RUINS,
AND I WILL RESTORE IT,

17SO THAT THE REST OF MANKIND MAY SEEK THE LORD,
AND ALL THE GENTILES WHO ARE CALLED BY MY NAME,'

18SAYS THE LORD, WHO MAKES THESE THINGS KNOWN FROM LONG AGO.

19"Therefore it is my judgment that we do not trouble those who are turning to God from among the Gentiles,

20but that we write to them that they abstain from things contaminated by idols and from fornication and from what is strangled and from blood.

21"For Moses from ancient generations has in every city those who preach him, since he is read in the synagogues every Sabbath."

22Then it seemed good to the apostles and the elders, with the whole church, to choose men from among them to send to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas--Judas called Barsabbas, and Silas, leading men among the brethren,

23and they sent this letter by them, "The apostles and the brethren who are elders, to the brethren in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia who are from the Gentiles, greetings.

24"Since we have heard that some of our number to whom we gave no instruction have disturbed you with their words, unsettling your souls,

25it seemed good to us, having become of one mind, to select men to send to you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul,

26men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.

27"Therefore we have sent Judas and Silas, who themselves will also report the same things by word of mouth.

28"For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay upon you no greater burden than these essentials:

29that you abstain from things sacrificed to idols and from blood and from things strangled and from fornication; if you keep yourselves free from such things, you will do well. Farewell."