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RE: Reading Job, 2 huge questions - 1/29/2008 1:41:43 PM
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hoodleehoo
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Totally agree! :)
Like everyone, I'm in the middle of the search for truth. I'm not 100% sold on one side, but from the information I have at the moment I'm leaning heavily toward what you just said. I don't think we can take many stories like this from the OT literally. They were most likely based on real events, but the stories are VERY different and exaggerated from years of oral tradition and picking up other stories from other cultures and meshing them together.
I totally believe that God has spoken to many people through the book of Job and used it to help them. Same with everything in the bible. :)
There's a historical account in the area of Sumeria and Mesopotamia of a story very similar to Noah that seems a possible genesis for the stories. It's quite a bit different and MUCH smaller of a scale. I would imagine the same could be true of Job, with the God/devil part added in from other Mesopotamian stories and poems.
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RE: Reading Job, 2 huge questions - 1/29/2008 1:56:54 PM
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"The first two chapters of Genesis conflict with each other as they give two different versions of the creation story. Most likely, they are from two different sources."
"Conflict" is in the eye of the beholder. Two "different" versions due not demand that the word "conflict" be used. Our finite minds may only "perceive" the accounts as different...
As for what is literal and what is not, that is a slippery slope. One must be very careful about that. One theologian says this, another says something different. One must make up one's own mind.
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RE: Reading Job, 2 huge questions - 1/29/2008 3:03:29 PM
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hoodleehoo
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Well, they conflict in that they say conflicting things. They don't agree on the order of days and when and how man and woman were created.
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RE: Reading Job, 2 huge questions - 9/9/2008 8:59:35 AM
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LoyalGypsy
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ORIGINAL: cantckaja
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while reading Job I came across 2 things that made me stop and think and I'd like someone elses thoughts.
1. Job 1:12 - The the Lord said to Satan "Behold, all that he has is in your power, only do not put forth your hand on him". Satan then goes on to inflict diseases, etc on Job. Question - does Satan normally have this power or was this a unique situation? I read it almost as if God's saying "go do your thing" which raises the question - if Satan can give people diseases, if I get cancer tomorrow how do I know if the cancer is from God or from Satan?
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Question - does Satan normally have this power or was this a unique situation?
Job 3:20-26
20 "Why is light given to him who is in misery, And life to the bitter of soul, 21 Who long for death, but it does not come, And search for it more than hidden treasures; 22 Who rejoice exceedingly, And are glad when they can find the grave? 23 Why is light given to a man whose way is hidden, And whom God has hedged in? 24 For my sighing comes before I eat, And my groanings pour out like water. 25 For the thing I greatly feared has come upon me, And what I dreaded has happened to me. 26 I am not at ease, nor am I quiet; I have no rest, for trouble comes."
According to verse 25 >25 For the thing I greatly feared......this is not a unique situation, we all are afflicted.
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2. How much of Job is to be taken seriously? My Bible notes say Job is exaggerating some things, but what are exaggerations and how much is wisdom?
Example - Job 4:18 Job says "He (God) puts no trust even in his servants, and against His angels He charges error". Now we know from Satan that God would have reason to not trust angels, but is this statement by Job wisdom and insight into the spiritual realm, or the nonsensical ramblings of someone on the verge of death?
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2. How much of Job is to be taken seriously?
All of it, or better yet we can just look in the mirror and relate to Job.
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Example - Job 4:18 Job says "He (God) puts no trust even in his servants, and against His angels He charges error"
If God hates sin ...and... there is no sin in Him, then… what part of the example above don’t you understand?
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RE: Reading Job, 2 huge questions - 9/15/2008 8:37:56 PM
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The whole purpose for God allowing Job to go through these sufferings is found in the final chapter of the book in 42:5 where he says: "I had heard of You by the hearing of the ear, But now my eye sees You."
It is what the suffering produced in Job that is the key here.
....quite possibly one of the best comments on this thread.
Jn 9:2-3 "And His disciples asked Him, saying, Master, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind? Jesus answered, Neither has this man nor his parents sinned, but that the works of God might be revealed in him."
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