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RE: Is Jesus REALLY enough? - 1/31/2008 11:32:32 PM
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kisstheson
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Prayer isn't lining God up with your desires; it's lining your desires up with Him.
ArmyDude--your comment made me think of a verse that I explored and found to be so much
more than it appears on the surface! It is Psalm 37:4-5
"Delight yourself in the LORD;
And He will give you the desires of your heart.
Commit your way to the LORD,
Trust also in Him, and He will do it."
The word 'delight' in the old Strong's Exhaustive Concordance defines the word in the
original Hebrew including a meaning in a context of pottery terms, being 'malleability' as in
working with clay!
If we put the term 'delight' in that context of being 'malleable', it might say:
"If we volunteer our hearts to be available and malleable in His hands, He will form and mold us
to desire the very thing He desires for us, and ultimately for His glory."
I just love that picture! And, I have always loved all the pottery analgies God uses so much in His word
regarding us as His creation!
Wanna paint one like that, kisstheson? It would be awesome!
Thanks for sheding more light on this verse. It's good to have a clear picture on what it really means.
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RE: Is Jesus REALLY enough? - 2/1/2008 10:34:13 AM
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Okay, when He prayed that, He was on the cross. How does that fit in here?
I'm still lost as to why the topic is "Is Jesus really enough" but the subject matter has been mainly about a picture. I'll say it again. Jesus is enough.
A picture of Jesus... can't even start to be enough.
If Jesus were to say this to us what would be our reply:
"Will you love Me without all a display of My miraculous powers and Kingly riches? Will you love Me simply as Myself EVEN if I came bearing no gifts?"
Gifts meaning riches, blessings, deliverence from troubles...
Is Jesus enough?
How can you divide up who He is and say "is this part enough?" Enough for what? Without His miraculous powers and Kingly riches (which are His divine attributes) do you think He would still be the same Jesus? Your putting words into the mouth of the Lord.
Bottom line is could He first love us w/o those attributes. I think no.
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RE: Is Jesus REALLY enough? - 2/1/2008 11:43:23 AM
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Warning:
Do not be lured to a position outside if Christ.
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RE: Is Jesus REALLY enough? - 2/1/2008 11:49:24 AM
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Do not be lured to a position outside if Christ.
I have to ask this... Huh? I've read that three times and I'm still lost.
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RE: Is Jesus REALLY enough? - 2/1/2008 12:49:31 PM
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Warning:
Do not be lured to a position outside if Christ.
I have to ask this... Huh? I've read that three times and I'm still lost.
Warning= hear and take heed lest you fall
do not be lured= enticed, tempted, fooled, coerced
to a position= where you are taking a different stand than the one you based your faith on and that the umbrella of God's protection doesn't cover (your hand in satans apple box)
outside of Christ= Christ's gospel, work accomplishments, revelations of WHO HE IS and what HE STANDS FOR
What part of it don't you understand?
How it relates to this topic is that its not the Christ of the Gospel that it's based on. It's a fragmented Christ like looking thru a busted mirror.
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RE: Is Jesus REALLY enough? - 2/1/2008 12:52:16 PM
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Warning:
Do not be lured to a position outside if Christ.
I have to ask this... Huh? I've read that three times and I'm still lost.
Warning= hear and take heed lest you fall
do not be lured= enticed, tempted, fooled, coerced
to a position= where you are taking a different stand than the one you based your faith on and that the umbrella of God's protection doesn't cover (your hand in satans apple box)
outside of Christ= Christ's gospel, work accomplishments, revelations of WHO HE IS and what HE STANDS FOR
What part of it don't you understand?
How it relates to this topic is that its not the Christ of the Gospel that it's based on. It's a fragmented Christ like looking thru a busted mirror.
What part didnt' I understand? They typo part. The original said "if"... Try as I might my mind would not put the word "of" in there, but now it makes perfect sense. And I agree.
Every once in a while, my brain absolutely refuses to work.
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RE: Is Jesus REALLY enough? - 2/1/2008 12:59:31 PM
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ORIGINAL: cobblestone
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ORIGINAL: armydude
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ORIGINAL: cobblestone
Warning:
Do not be lured to a position outside if Christ.
I have to ask this... Huh? I've read that three times and I'm still lost.
Warning= hear and take heed lest you fall
do not be lured= enticed, tempted, fooled, coerced
to a position= where you are taking a different stand than the one you based your faith on and that the umbrella of God's protection doesn't cover (your hand in satans apple box)
outside of Christ= Christ's gospel, work accomplishments, revelations of WHO HE IS and what HE STANDS FOR
What part of it don't you understand?
How it relates to this topic is that its not the Christ of the Gospel that it's based on. It's a fragmented Christ like looking thru a busted mirror.
What part didnt' I understand? They typo part. The original said "if"... Try as I might my mind would not put the word "of" in there, but now it makes perfect sense. And I agree.
Every once in a while, my brain absolutely refuses to work.
oh ok, ya spellings everything. I can understand your concern but to me it would still mean the same thing. aaah maybe not.
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RE: Is Jesus REALLY enough? - 2/1/2008 3:26:23 PM
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I would like to Interduce mysalf, My Faith of Jesus is enough! Proverbs 3; 5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart do not depend on your own understanding. You all have a Bless Day... from Don I just open my account with you!
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RE: Is Jesus REALLY enough? - 2/1/2008 8:02:29 PM
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I would like to Interduce mysalf, My Faith of Jesus is enough! Proverbs 3; 5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart do not depend on your own understanding. You all have a Bless Day... from Don I just open my account with you!
Hey Don! Welcome! I appreciate the verse you shared.
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RE: Is Jesus REALLY enough? - 2/1/2008 8:16:31 PM
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Paul is an example of someone for whom Jesus alone was enough. Jesus was enough EVEN when He did not bless Paul with material possessions or deliver him from difficult circumstances. In fact Paul considered all things lost for the sake of knowing Christ. he was one who saw perfect balance in jesus. He wanted to "know christ in the power of His resurrection (all His kingly attributes, healing powers, riches and blessings) AND in the fellowship of His sufferings.) Philippians 3
Here's how we know Jesus was enough for Paul:
"Are they ministers of Christ? (I speak as a fool) I am more; in labors more abundant, in stripes above measure, in prisons more frequent, in deaths oft,
Of the Jews five times received I forty stripes save one,
Thrice was I beaten with rods, once was I stoned, thrice I suffered shipwreck, a night and a day I have been in the deep;
In journeyings often, in perils of waters, in perils of robbers, in perils by mine own countrymen, in perils by the heathen, in perils in the city, in perils in the wilderness, in perils in the sea, in perils among false brethren;
In weariness and painfulness, in watchings often, in hunger and in thirst, in fastings often, in cold and nakedness.
Beside those things that are without, that which cometh upon me daily, the care of all the churches".
2 Cor. 11:22-23
All for Jesus!
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RE: Is Jesus REALLY enough? - 2/1/2008 9:43:08 PM
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Paul is an example of someone for whom Jesus alone was enough. Jesus was enough EVEN when He did not bless Paul with material possessions or deliver him from difficult circumstances. In fact Paul considered all things lost for the sake of knowing Christ. he was one who saw perfect balance in jesus. He wanted to "know christ in the power of His resurrection (all His kingly attributes, healing powers, riches and blessings) AND in the fellowship of His sufferings.) Philippians 3
Here's how we know Jesus was enough for Paul:
"Are they ministers of Christ? (I speak as a fool) I am more; in labors more abundant, in stripes above measure, in prisons more frequent, in deaths oft,
Of the Jews five times received I forty stripes save one,
Thrice was I beaten with rods, once was I stoned, thrice I suffered shipwreck, a night and a day I have been in the deep;
In journeyings often, in perils of waters, in perils of robbers, in perils by mine own countrymen, in perils by the heathen, in perils in the city, in perils in the wilderness, in perils in the sea, in perils among false brethren;
In weariness and painfulness, in watchings often, in hunger and in thirst, in fastings often, in cold and nakedness.
Beside those things that are without, that which cometh upon me daily, the care of all the churches".
2 Cor. 11:22-23
All for Jesus!
Wonderful post, kisstheson, and may I add this also from Paul:
Philippians 4:11-12 "..for I have learned to be content in whatever circumstances I am.
I know how to get along with humble means, and I also know how to live in prosperity;
in any and every circumstance I have learned the secret of being filled and going hungry,
both of having abundance and suffering need."
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"We cannot appreciate God's mercy until we realize He is first the God of justice!"
"O taste and see that the LORD is good;
How blessed is the one who takes refuge in Him!"
Psalm 34:8
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RE: Is Jesus REALLY enough? - 2/1/2008 11:23:47 PM
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kisstheson
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Thanks for adding that scripture Janis! I was thinking of the same veres but didn't know where it was. I sure would like to have Paul's attitude.
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RE: Is Jesus REALLY enough? - 2/2/2008 3:39:59 PM
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thanks you Kisstheson for that. I read it song of solomon and for a time, I was there! Walking in the garden, It was Beautiful, so i thank-you.... here one that stand out for me! Luke 4: 5:12 just think our god die for us....
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RE: Is Jesus REALLY enough? - 2/2/2008 4:49:10 PM
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id love to know your view of fulfilling aspect in thought or rather what complements Christ if hes insufficient to your pshycological world:
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RE: Is Jesus REALLY enough? - 2/2/2008 5:58:44 PM
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kisstheson
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id love to know your view of fulfilling aspect in thought or rather what complements Christ if hes insufficient to your pshycological world:
He IS sufficent and not just in my pshycological world!
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RE: Is Jesus REALLY enough? - 2/2/2008 6:01:17 PM
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kisstheson
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thanks you Kisstheson for that. I read it song of solomon and for a time, I was there! Walking in the garden, It was Beautiful, so i thank-you.... here one that stand out for me! Luke 4: 5:12 just think our god die for us....
You're welocme and its nice to hear form a fellow fan of the SOS. His garden is beautiful indeed! The sciptures from Luke were right on too.
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RE: Is Jesus REALLY enough? - 2/3/2008 11:35:17 AM
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Just wanted to say good-morning to all. How great is are god... God rescued me from the grave, and now my life is filled with light.... Job 33:28 each and every morning I get up and thank Jesus for what he has done for us on the cross!!!... you how a bless day...And remanber EMANUEL is allways with us.....Amen!
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RE: Is Jesus REALLY enough? - 2/3/2008 12:35:12 PM
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Just as G-d Himself could be the only perfect sacrifice for all Men's sins for all time.... Only G-d Himself can be the reward that fulfilles and satisfies all our needs and wants.
"After these things the word of the LORD came unto Abram in a vision, saying, Fear not, Abram: I am thy shield, and thy exceeding great reward." Genesis 15:1
For a visual representation, I like this one.
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RE: Is Jesus REALLY enough? - 2/4/2008 12:42:20 AM
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Jesus is certainly enough for everything, anything and all things.
If we do not think Jesus is enough then we have a wrong concept of having a relationship with the LORD. Yes we are to tithe study and pray and we are to ask the LORD for all things. However we need to rely on Him for all things from Him and what makes a person think they should have green lights all tlhe way to church if ya get there late so be it if it bothers you to be late then leave earlier. He never said He would make you rich He said He would supply your needs. And by the way He knows your needs much better than you do. And if those who complain about the way the LORD answers prayers and controls things then perhaps they need to examine their hearts to see if they are His or not for if He is Lord of your life then you have no right to complain on anything. For if He is Lord of your life then it is not your life anymore it is His. And as for all the deal with the picture perhaps if you wanted the topic to be 'Is Jesus REALLY enough?' then perhaps you should have not used the picture at all and spent so much time on it perhaps you would have better used it in another post.
Just my humble opinion of course as a small town preacher.
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RE: Is Jesus REALLY enough? - 2/4/2008 11:27:04 AM
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nice I enjoy that!... I opened my bible and Philippians, jump out, I always pray for you, and I make my requests with a heart full or joy.. because you have been my partners in spreading the GOOD NEWS about Christ from the time you first heard it until now. and I SURE THAT God, who began the good work within you, will continue his work until it is finally finished on that day went Christ jesus comes back again....Philippians 1:4-6 you have a bless day!!  reply to bible 7
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RE: Is Jesus REALLY enough? - 2/4/2008 11:29:34 AM
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I was reply to bible7
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RE: Is Jesus REALLY enough? - 2/4/2008 1:24:52 PM
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YES JESUS IS ENOUGH! it is all we have, in this world. for example...I was working at a rubber manufactureing company. my arm was breaking out. so i started praying of a another job.... i went in and gived my notice. and has he close one door. my JESUS OPEN A ANOTHER ONE..... right down the street from were i live... 
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RE: Is Jesus REALLY enough? - 2/4/2008 2:19:15 PM
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Song of Solomon 8:5 says "who is this maiden, leaning on her beloved?" If He wasn't enough she wouldn't be able to lean on Him. If He wasn't enough he would need to lean on her. The 2 have become one. Eve led in leaving Eden, "for this reason man shall leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife" now the second Adam leads in bringing her home to the Father with her cleaving to Him. The prodigal daughter returns.
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