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bob97 -> RE: America In Prophecy (3/8/2008 6:24:02 PM)

IC, please quote one post or scripture that would prove America is either doomed or not doomed. I'm not trying to be disrespectful to anyone.

I think most who have posted here are searching for decrement and are laying out possibilities, not making predictions Would you not agree?

Bob



bob97 -> RE: America In Prophecy (3/8/2008 6:25:57 PM)

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An agenda huh.....care to share? I am still totally amazed at how we are so obsessed with our own doom.


Hi Two,

I actually do have an agenda and that is to be transformed as much as I possibly can to the will of my God.

Myself, I am not obsessed with either my doom or that of this nation and if you agree then we have that in common.

Bob



AllForIsrael -> RE: America In Prophecy (3/8/2008 6:28:08 PM)

Then we got something in common........



cybrjewls -> RE: America In Prophecy (3/9/2008 10:15:18 PM)

Greetings! The will of God is this: that He, the son of man, will raise them up on the last day before The Great White Throne Judgment of God.
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ORIGINAL: bob97

quote:

An agenda huh.....care to share? I am still totally amazed at how we are so obsessed with our own doom.


Hi Two,

I actually do have an agenda and that is to be transformed as much as I possibly can to the will of my God.

Myself, I am not obsessed with either my doom or that of this nation and if you agree then we have that in common.

Bob



cow451 -> RE: America In Prophecy (3/11/2008 10:56:53 AM)

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ORIGINAL: IC.InChrist

Hey All & Hi Bob,,


quote:

my point is, unless we can prove something with scripture why should we guess? The point of this thread was, is the fate of America stated in prophecy and so far all we have are guesses.


Prophetica
Sinner-Saint
FurGodWurLivin
Awaken
Ntech
Saved-To-Serve


All the names that are mentioned above are people who have placed some scripture on the table either for or against America being in prophecy in this thread alone.

So i do question why you would say one thinig while the proof
suggests that your above comment is in fact wrong and misleading.

A guess can go either way not just for America being in prophecy but also that it isn't. Yet most here have made comments that America isn't in or part of endtime prophecy without any scripture at all.

So i gotta ask who is guessing?


Capture the Dream,
yours In Christ,,

God Bless

I went through several translations of the Bible and could find nothing about America. There is no scripture to "place on the table". That's my point.



sunshinesoprano -> RE: America In Prophecy (3/11/2008 1:22:02 PM)

I would like to propose that the key phrase I'm seeing in most of the posts is "I THINK." Everyone can make a conjecture about what scripture means, but no one knows (except Ronald Wienland, who thinks he does, but we won't go there) and so all we can really do is hold on. We still don't know what the lights and wheels were in Ezekiel, so who are we to think we can actually decipher John's revelation?

America has made a mess of many things, there's no question. However, I do think it's a little odd to make our archictectural structures fit into something that means something scripturally. That again is another conjecture that is equivocal, in my opinion, to fitting silly putty in a hole.



bob97 -> RE: America In Prophecy (3/11/2008 1:36:23 PM)

Let me put forth a postulate to everyone…this is; the actual percent of Christians in relationship to the population of the United States has not changed in the last 200 odd years. This nation is no less a Christian nation today then it was yesterday. You either belong to Christ or you don’t…there is no almost being a Christian.

What has occurred is that the immorality of the general population is more evident today than it was yesterday. [8|]

Bob



cybrjewls -> RE: America In Prophecy (3/11/2008 1:36:50 PM)

Greetings In Christ! The Lord said that no one knows the day or the hour of The Lords coming and it is not for you to know the times or the seasons or dates which the Father has set by His own authority. Therefore, Christ did not tell us, specifically, by name which Empires would arise on the earth but provided Us with a framework in which we could discern what was determined to take place on earth before the coming of The Lord to Jerusalem and the Millennial rule.
We see what nations exist today and we know what God has ordained for the nations of the past a little through history. That is how we can discern the prophecies spoken of by God to Daniel regarding the kingdoms that would arise on the earth. The seventh head of the beast from the sea is the time framework in which we live today. Where the ordained 'powers that be' in the spiritual realm that rule over the kingdoms of the earth by agreement from God until His words are fulfilled continue to arise in Sovereignly ordained succession according to what The Almighty has determined. These are the completion kingdoms that complete the time periods in which lucifers dark spiritual kingdom continues to exercise its authority on earth over the nations on earth. That is why it says the dragon stood at the shore of the sea awaiting for the fulfillment of his deal with God as it comes to pass. Lucifer will be bound, then, in the bottomless pit for a thousand years as it is written. And, The Lord will Reign at Jerusalem for one thousand years over the nations and the kingdoms on earth.
The Lord maintains sole authority over lucifers kingdom at this time, and Governs in the affairs of men and peoples on earth.

It is for us to know what is written in revelation; for He gave it to us so that we may understand what was to take place.
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ORIGINAL: sunshinesoprano

I would like to propose that the key phrase I'm seeing in most of the posts is "I THINK." Everyone can make a conjecture about what scripture means, but no one knows (except Ronald Wienland, who thinks he does, but we won't go there) and so all we can really do is hold on. We still don't know what the lights and wheels were in Ezekiel, so who are we to think we can actually decipher John's revelation?

America has made a mess of many things, there's no question. However, I do think it's a little odd to make our archictectural structures fit into something that means something scripturally. That again is another conjecture that is equivocal, in my opinion, to fitting silly putty in a hole.



sunshinesoprano -> RE: America In Prophecy (3/11/2008 1:43:21 PM)

Good point, bob.

Prophetica...my point exactly. But, there is no possible way anyone can KNOW what Revelation or any of the prophecies actually mean. I think it's a little arrogant of anyone to think they do.



.ABBA. -> RE: America In Prophecy (3/11/2008 5:26:25 PM)

Hey All & Hi Bob,,


My Apologies Bob,, for my post the other day.

You are correct ,, that all we can do is lay out possibilites about what we think may happen in the days ahead of us. If one of those things that we mention however becomes true in some way, then was it a guess afterall. I guess that's what i was trying to say the other day to some degree.

I was also pointing out the difference between the posts. Where some bring scripture to the table, while others just troll past adding one liners and never adding anything with meat. That was my other point.

Capture the Dream,
yours In Christ,,

God Bless.



AllForIsrael -> RE: America In Prophecy (3/11/2008 5:46:34 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: cow451

quote:

ORIGINAL: IC.InChrist

Hey All & Hi Bob,,


quote:

my point is, unless we can prove something with scripture why should we guess? The point of this thread was, is the fate of America stated in prophecy and so far all we have are guesses.


Prophetica
Sinner-Saint
FurGodWurLivin
Awaken
Ntech
Saved-To-Serve


All the names that are mentioned above are people who have placed some scripture on the table either for or against America being in prophecy in this thread alone.

So i do question why you would say one thinig while the proof
suggests that your above comment is in fact wrong and misleading.

A guess can go either way not just for America being in prophecy but also that it isn't. Yet most here have made comments that America isn't in or part of endtime prophecy without any scripture at all.

So i gotta ask who is guessing?


Capture the Dream,
yours In Christ,,

God Bless

I went through several translations of the Bible and could find nothing about America. There is no scripture to "place on the table". That's my point.


Cow its kind of tricky to be honest you got to read between the lines Ezekial 37-38 I forgot the reference that could mean the US, notice I said reference......And Bob as far as the US being doomed as I have said before somewhere we are dooming ourselves. This peace accord that the US is pushing Israel to take is not in the best interest of Israel in my opinion and is opening the door for something terrible to happen what I do not know. Bottom line is our doom will be much later how much don't know I ain't a prophet and don't claim to be.



bob97 -> RE: America In Prophecy (3/11/2008 8:28:40 PM)

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This peace accord that the US is pushing Israel to take is not in the best interest of Israel in my opinion


Hi AllForIsrael, you could be very right but how many Presidents have attempted the same effort? How would any President be judged if he adopted the attitude of not trying?

Did it ever occur to you that this effort towards peace could be the will of God? I'm not saying it is but God has predicted the end and who knows the will of God?

Bob



cybrjewls -> RE: America In Prophecy (3/11/2008 8:43:33 PM)

Greetings! Blessed are the peace makers for they will be called the Sons of the Living God.
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ORIGINAL: bob97

quote:

This peace accord that the US is pushing Israel to take is not in the best interest of Israel in my opinion


Hi AllForIsrael, you could be very right but how many Presidents have attempted the same effort? How would any President be judged if he adopted the attitude of not trying?

Did it ever occur to you that this effort towards peace could be the will of God? I'm not saying it is but God has predicted the end and who knows the will of God?

Bob



bob97 -> RE: America In Prophecy (3/12/2008 12:19:04 AM)

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My Apologies Bob,, for my post the other day.


Not a problem IC, I understand where you are coming from.

Bob



AllForIsrael -> RE: America In Prophecy (3/12/2008 11:37:54 AM)

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ORIGINAL: bob97

quote:

This peace accord that the US is pushing Israel to take is not in the best interest of Israel in my opinion


Hi AllForIsrael, you could be very right but how many Presidents have attempted the same effort? How would any President be judged if he adopted the attitude of not trying?

Did it ever occur to you that this effort towards peace could be the will of God? I'm not saying it is but God has predicted the end and who knows the will of God?

Bob

Jimmy Carters half hearted attempt in the Iran hostage crisis was a vain attempt at trying to deal with a Radical Islamic regime that did not work. I agree that G-ds will is being played out in the Middle East but it should not be at the expense of Israel which I do not believe that is happening. G-ds covenant with the Jews is unbreakable....there can never be peace as long as the US, UN and others expect the State of Israel to give up land that does not belong to anyone but them....you make a good argument though....



cow451 -> RE: America In Prophecy (3/12/2008 12:57:20 PM)

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ORIGINAL: AllForIsrael

quote:

ORIGINAL: cow451

quote:

ORIGINAL: IC.InChrist

Hey All & Hi Bob,,


quote:

my point is, unless we can prove something with scripture why should we guess? The point of this thread was, is the fate of America stated in prophecy and so far all we have are guesses.


Prophetica
Sinner-Saint
FurGodWurLivin
Awaken
Ntech
Saved-To-Serve


All the names that are mentioned above are people who have placed some scripture on the table either for or against America being in prophecy in this thread alone.

So i do question why you would say one thinig while the proof
suggests that your above comment is in fact wrong and misleading.

A guess can go either way not just for America being in prophecy but also that it isn't. Yet most here have made comments that America isn't in or part of endtime prophecy without any scripture at all.

So i gotta ask who is guessing?


Capture the Dream,
yours In Christ,,

God Bless

I went through several translations of the Bible and could find nothing about America. There is no scripture to "place on the table". That's my point.


Cow its kind of tricky to be honest you got to read between the lines Ezekial 37-38 I forgot the reference that could mean the US, notice I said reference......And Bob as far as the US being doomed as I have said before somewhere we are dooming ourselves. This peace accord that the US is pushing Israel to take is not in the best interest of Israel in my opinion and is opening the door for something terrible to happen what I do not know. Bottom line is our doom will be much later how much don't know I ain't a prophet and don't claim to be.

At least you admit it is "tricky".



AllForIsrael -> RE: America In Prophecy (3/12/2008 1:17:12 PM)

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At least you admit it is "tricky".


Oh no doubt about it. Modern day prophets and dooms day sayers make millions every year forecasting this stuff. Question is, how many are right?



bob97 -> RE: America In Prophecy (3/12/2008 2:10:24 PM)

Hi AllForIsrael,

quote:

I agree that G-ds will is being played out in the Middle East but it should not be at the expense of Israel which I do not believe that is happening. G-ds covenant with the Jews is unbreakable.


Would you not agree that it is Gods intent to test Israel by fire and only the righteous will prevail?

Zec 13:9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God.

Yes Gods covenant with Israel is unbreakable and will be fulfilled but only those of Israel who acknowledge Christ;

Mat 23:39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.


Bob



Lapidoth -> RE: America In Prophecy (3/12/2008 5:24:16 PM)

Here's another one-liner, or maybe two. lol.

There will never be peace in the Middle East until the
Prince of Peace returns. Giving up the land is in violation
of the Covenant and the Torah.

Okay, here's a couple more. LOL.
We think America is in prophecy based a lot of times on the
emblem of the eagle. Funny we see that emblem behind almost
all the regimes as viewed on television. Hussein had an eagle behind him.

The vision in Ezekiel has four creatures with each having an eagles face.

We're all in prophesy: "How did you treat my brethren?"



.ABBA. -> RE: America In Prophecy (3/12/2008 8:38:48 PM)

Hey All & Hi Carl,,

quote:

Here's another one-liner, or maybe two. lol.

There will never be peace in the Middle East until the
Prince of Peace returns. Giving up the land is in violation
of the Covenant and the Torah.


Very funny Carl,, however don't give up your day Job, it serves you better.


quote:

We think America is in prophecy based a lot of times on the
emblem of the eagle. Funny we see that emblem behind almost
all the regimes as viewed on television. Hussein had an eagle behind him.

The vision in Ezekiel has four creatures with each having an eagles face.

We're all in prophesy: "How did you treat my brethren?"


So did Rome and Germany have eagles, yet the eagle is not the problem here. The large pentagram which is called the Pentagon is one of the problems, which it was obvious when this bulding was made & what i can stand for. Another concern is G Washington surrounded and raised above those Gods and that Goddess(Venus) in your Capitol Rotunda.

Your two most powerfull buildings in your land that hold Democracy & the Armed Forces placing not God or Christ at centre stage in design, but Roman Gods and other such things.

There are a lot of Christian nations in the world, All with their own style of worshiping God in Spirit and truth. America has it owns style which is felt around the world in many ways and has been somewhat highlighted by GW Bush & what has happened during his 2 terms in office.

In both times he gained that placement in the West Wing it was through the voting Christian population that got him there,, well at least the second time anyways.

Capture the Dream,
yours In Christ,,

God Bless



Biblefreak -> RE: America In Prophecy (3/13/2008 5:55:47 AM)

My opinion is that with an awful economy and Russia, Iran, China and a few others. The U.S. will not be a "Super power" much longer. I think with all the money we pump into China they will be THE "Super power" soon. And that scares me. Because of who their friends are.



Lapidoth -> RE: America In Prophecy (3/13/2008 7:41:56 PM)

By all this we can surely be aware that we are in those last days.

Things change so quickly, and as we see in Revelation, things happen
in the moment.

Hi IC, yep, I still got my day job. lol.
I would never make it as a stand-up. As a comedian, or a stand up evangelist,
as I call them. The one thing a believer can truly rely upon is that God is in charge,
and it will all be done in God's way.

I agree that this nation has all the emblems of Satan all around and infiltrated in it.
As I read through the Tanakh every morning, I see nothing has changed. Ezekiel
is where we are now and it's appalling how the Israelites would give sacrifice to Yahweh
and then return to their compartments and do sacrifice to the common idols. Our fate
will be much like theirs I'm sure. We're only 200 and some years old, so we're probably
just about to the end of God's patience. lol. It's still about the best of them all. But only
as long as we follow the Constitution as it was written. If we Christians will follow God's
Word "as it is written" we will all do the better. Or, at least come out better. lol.

"What a day that will be, when my Jesus I shall see . . . . . ."



cybrjewls -> RE: America In Prophecy (3/13/2008 9:40:14 PM)

Greetings! Amen. We see that in revelation there is an eagle creature with six wings that is covered with eyes and that represents the body of God people as one. Just as Christ said. "that they may be One as We are One. And that the love wherewith You loved Me may be in Them."

Therefore, We boldly approach The Throne of Grace with our requests. Because We know that if We ask anything according to God's Will, it will be done. For if two or more agree on anything In Christ, it will be done for them. Jesus said. "If I remain in you, and you remain in Me; ask anything in My Name and I will do it.
quote:

ORIGINAL: carlkeigley


Okay, here's a couple more. LOL.
We think America is in prophecy based a lot of times on the
emblem of the eagle. Funny we see that emblem behind almost
all the regimes as viewed on television. Hussein had an eagle behind him.

The vision in Ezekiel has four creatures with each having an eagles face.

We're all in prophesy: "How did you treat my brethren?"



Cephyr13 -> RE: America In Prophecy (3/20/2008 10:19:01 AM)

Check out my thread on finding America in prophecy here:
http://forums.crosswalk.com/Finding_America_in_Bible_Prophecy/m_3225730/mpage_1/tm.htm#3226119



sunshinesoprano -> RE: America In Prophecy (3/21/2008 1:33:29 PM)

I think it's funny how people continue respond with nebulous, cryptic answers that don't really say anything.

Why do we spend so much time trying to figure it out? We know no one knows when it will happen, and no one can really say for sure any of the conjectures here are valid. Why aren't we out ministering instead of studying puzzles?



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