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RE: Church as the so-called bride of Christ? - 6/17/2008 4:57:06 PM
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Methodius, who died in 311 wrote a long treatise Symposium on Virginity, describing the Church as the Bride of Christ.
Or Augustine in his exposition on Psalm 127: "For the Church the Lord's Bride was created from His side, as Eve was created from the side of Adam."
more post-biblical european theologians.
Do you guys realize that not a single european ever wrote scripture?
have you noticed that you can't support your theory using any scripture?
It should be noted, that Methodius was from Modern day Turkey, just like Paul.
And Augustine was from North Africa.
Neither was "European".
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As for the topic at hand.
What of Revelation, “Let us rejoice and be glad and give the glory to Him, for the marriage of the Lamb has come and His bride has made herself ready.”
It was given to her to clothe herself in fine linen, bright and clean; for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints. Then he *said to me, “Write, ‘ Blessed are those who are invited to the marriage supper of the Lamb.’ ” And he *said to me, “ These are true words of God.”" -Revelation 19:7-9
So, if as people argue here, that the Church is not the bride of the Lamb, then who is? Who has been made ready?
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RE: Church as the so-called bride of Christ? - 6/17/2008 5:08:36 PM
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...As for the topic at hand.
What of Revelation, “Let us rejoice and be glad and give the glory to Him, for the marriage of the Lamb has come and His bride has made herself ready.”
It was given to her to clothe herself in fine linen, bright and clean; for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints. Then he *said to me, “Write, ‘ Blessed are those who are invited to the marriage supper of the Lamb.’ ” And he *said to me, “ These are true words of God.”" -Revelation 19:7-9
So, if as people argue here, that the Church is not the bride of the Lamb, then who is? Who has been made ready?
Scriptural answer:
Rev 21:9-10
9 And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife.
10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God...
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"For here have we no continuing city, but we seek one to come." Heb 13:14 = "notmycity"
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RE: Church as the so-called bride of Christ? - 6/17/2008 5:17:27 PM
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Rev 21:9-10
9 And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife.
10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God...
You are still making a connection that is not there and the Church has never made that connection.
Jesus did not die on the cross and suffer shame for a city and His bride is not made of stone. That is idolotrous and contrary to the earliest OT truth.
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RE: Church as the so-called bride of Christ? - 6/17/2008 5:31:07 PM
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Jesus did not die on the cross and suffer shame for a city and His bride is not made of stone. That is idolotrous and contrary to the earliest OT truth.
I won’t return the reviling or the false witness.
You were invited to back your opinions with Scripture on numerous occasions in the previous pages. You were never able to show where the Scriptures refer to the church as “the bride, the Lamb’s wife.” Neither has anyone thus far in over 200 posts. All I have seen at best is exegetical prestidigitation.
I gave this OP an intentional rest for a few months and now invite anyone new to this OP to show “bridal theology” in Scripture.
Thank you.
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"I am a companion of all them that fear thee, and of them that keep thy precepts." Psalm 119:63
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"For here have we no continuing city, but we seek one to come." Heb 13:14 = "notmycity"
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RE: Church as the so-called bride of Christ? - 6/17/2008 11:03:37 PM
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I doubt you are going to get anyone with anything new to offer, NMC, and I am rather baffled as to why you resurrected this post whn you do not have anything new to add to it yourself.
You do realize that "bumping" threads is not allowed, don't you?
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RE: Church as the so-called bride of Christ? - 6/18/2008 12:02:07 PM
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NMC, you have been shown throughout scripture that your interpretation of Revelation 21 is in error, but you will not accept godly counsel in the matter. Even Revelation 19:7-8 should be enough to enlighten you if you are willing to listen to the Holy Spirit:
"Let us rejoice and be glad and give the glory to Him, for the marriage of the Lamb has come and His bride has made herself ready." It was given to her to clothe herself in fine linen, bright and clean; for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints.
The "saints" are His redeemed, not a city. Hi bride inhabits the new city, they aren't a city.
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RE: Church as the so-called bride of Christ? - 6/18/2008 1:07:39 PM
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NMC, you have been shown throughout scripture that your interpretation of Revelation 21 is in error...
Let’s look at Revelation 21 please:
Rev 21:9-22
9 And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife.
10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,
11 Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal;
12 And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:
13 On the east three gates; on the north three gates; on the south three gates; and on the west three gates.
14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
15 And he that talked with me had a golden reed to measure the city, and the gates thereof, and the wall thereof.
16 And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal.
17 And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel.
18 And the building of the wall of it was of jasper: and the city was pure gold, like unto clear glass.
19 And the foundations of the wall of the city were garnished with all manner of precious stones. The first foundation was jasper; the second, sapphire; the third, a chalcedony; the fourth, an emerald;
20 The fifth, sardonyx; the sixth, sardius; the seventh, chrysolyte; the eighth, beryl; the ninth, a topaz; the tenth, a chrysoprasus; the eleventh, a jacinth; the twelfth, an amethyst.
21 And the twelve gates were twelve pearls; every several gate was of one pearl: and the street of the city was pure gold, as it were transparent glass.
22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.
Please show where any people are mentioned in the description of the city?
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The "saints" are His redeemed, not a city...
Amen, and if you’ll please note that Christ’s first disciples were called “children of the bridechamber”, not the bride.
Matt 9:14-15
14 Then came to him the disciples of John, saying, Why do we and the Pharisees fast oft, but thy disciples fast not?
15 And Jesus said unto them, Can the children of the bridechamber mourn, as long as the bridegroom is with them? but the days will come, when the bridegroom shall be taken from them, and then shall they fast.
Mark 2:18-19
18 And the disciples of John and of the Pharisees used to fast: and they come and say unto him, Why do the disciples of John and of the Pharisees fast, but thy disciples fast not?
19 And Jesus said unto them, Can the children of the bridechamber fast, while the bridegroom is with them? as long as they have the bridegroom with them, they cannot fast.
Luke 5:33-35
33 And they said unto him, Why do the disciples of John fast often, and make prayers, and likewise the disciples of the Pharisees; but thine eat and drink?
34 And he said unto them, Can ye make the children of the bridechamber fast, while the bridegroom is with them?
35 But the days will come, when the bridegroom shall be taken away from them, and then shall they fast in those days.
Please explain when and where (using Scripture alone) the “ children of the bridechamber” ever become the bride?
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"For here have we no continuing city, but we seek one to come." Heb 13:14 = "notmycity"
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RE: Church as the so-called bride of Christ? - 6/18/2008 1:57:54 PM
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Let’s look at Revelation 21 please....
Revelation is illuminated by Revelation 19 and all the previously cited passages on the matter.
"The attendants of the bridegroom" in Matthew, Mark, and Luke refer to the 12 disciples who were present at the time. That is the context. The Church is His Bride.
You have eyes & ears, use them.
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RE: Church as the so-called bride of Christ? - 6/18/2008 2:08:55 PM
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For the sake of argument, NMC, let's say that you alone among all believers since the first century have figured out that the Bride of Christ is not his blood-bought, redeemed Church but a thing, a city, organized stones.
What does that make you? The only one saved? The most righteous? A master teacher of men? Prideful?
I'm curious why you persist in this matter when all have tried to correct your error but you stick with tying two verses together that are not proving what you wish it to mean.
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RE: Church as the so-called bride of Christ? - 6/18/2008 2:23:18 PM
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"The attendants of the bridegroom" in Matthew, Mark, and Luke refer to the 12 disciples who were present at the time. That is the context....
Thank you Jimbo.
Let’s look at the context please:
Matt 9:15
15 And Jesus said unto them, Can the children of the bridechamber mourn, as long as the bridegroom is with them? but the days will come, WHEN THE BRIDEGROOM SHALL BE TAKEN FROM THEM, AND THEN SHALL THEY FAST.
Please note the FUTURE context here, speaking to ALL of Christ’s disciples, not just those who were present, as are all of Christ’s teachings.
Thanks again.
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"I am a companion of all them that fear thee, and of them that keep thy precepts." Psalm 119:63
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"For here have we no continuing city, but we seek one to come." Heb 13:14 = "notmycity"
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RE: Church as the so-called bride of Christ? - 6/18/2008 2:31:02 PM
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For the sake of argument, NMC, let's say that you alone among all believers since the first century have figured out that the Bride of Christ is not his blood-bought, redeemed Church...
God’s Word says His was are “past finding out” (Job 9:4-10, Romans 11:33, etc.), so with all due respect, there’s nothing to “figure out”. There are also others who take Revelation 21 at face-value, some of which have posted on this OP.
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"I am a companion of all them that fear thee, and of them that keep thy precepts." Psalm 119:63
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"For here have we no continuing city, but we seek one to come." Heb 13:14 = "notmycity"
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RE: Church as the so-called bride of Christ? - 6/18/2008 2:51:34 PM
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For the sake of argument, NMC, let's say that you alone among all believers since the first century have figured out that the Bride of Christ is not his blood-bought, redeemed Church...
God’s Word says His was are “past finding out” (Job 9:4-10, Romans 11:33, etc.), so with all due respect, there’s nothing to “figure out”. There are also others who take Revelation 21 at face-value, some of which have posted on this OP.
In Revelation 19 (15 & 21), do you take at face value that a literal sword will come out of the Lord's mouth to smite the nations and slay the remnant?
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RE: Church as the so-called bride of Christ? - 6/18/2008 2:58:36 PM
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Let’s look at the context please:
Matt 9:15
15 And Jesus said unto them, Can the children of the bridechamber mourn, as long as the bridegroom is with them? but the days will come, WHEN THE BRIDEGROOM SHALL BE TAKEN FROM THEM, AND THEN SHALL THEY FAST.
Please note the FUTURE context here, speaking to ALL of Christ’s disciples, not just those who were present, as are all of Christ’s teachings.
Your premise forced that faulty interpretation.
Jesus was answering a question ABOUT the 12 disciples as to why they weren't fasting THEN. Next, He explained when those VERY DISCIPLES would fast when He was taken.
When was He taken from them? At His arrest until His resurrection.
No one has Him captive now.
And He wasn't taken to heaven at the ascension, He WENT of His on volition.
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RE: Church as the so-called bride of Christ? - 6/18/2008 4:04:38 PM
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For the sake of argument, NMC, let's say that you alone among all believers since the first century have figured out that the Bride of Christ is not his blood-bought, redeemed Church...
God’s Word says His was are “past finding out” (Job 9:4-10, Romans 11:33, etc.), so with all due respect, there’s nothing to “figure out”. There are also others who take Revelation 21 at face-value, some of which have posted on this OP.
In Revelation 19 (15 & 21), do you take at face value that a literal sword will come out of the Lord's mouth to smite the nations and slay the remnant?
Yes.
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"For here have we no continuing city, but we seek one to come." Heb 13:14 = "notmycity"
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RE: Church as the so-called bride of Christ? - 6/18/2008 4:25:57 PM
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Then do you take at face value in Revelation 18 that Babylon means Babylon?
Do you also take at face value Jesus' words in Luke that you cannot be His disciple unless you hate your father, and your mother, and your wife, and your children, and your brothers, and your sisters, and even your own life? Literally, not in a figurative or comparative sense.
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RE: Church as the so-called bride of Christ? - 6/18/2008 4:28:16 PM
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For the sake of argument, NMC, let's say that you alone among all believers since the first century have figured out that the Bride of Christ is not his blood-bought, redeemed Church...
God’s Word says His was are “past finding out” (Job 9:4-10, Romans 11:33, etc.), so with all due respect, there’s nothing to “figure out”. There are also others who take Revelation 21 at face-value, some of which have posted on this OP.
In Revelation 19 (15 & 21), do you take at face value that a literal sword will come out of the Lord's mouth to smite the nations and slay the remnant?
Yes.
So in this leads me to ask, if you believe that our Lord and savior is actually a physical ovis aries (aka lamb)? Or is calling Christ Jesus the Lamb of God mearly symbolism.
If, as I suspect, you do not believe that Christ Jesus is a actual lamb, then why do you take this as symbolism and not other parts, particularly in Revelation?
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RE: Church as the so-called bride of Christ? - 6/18/2008 4:32:56 PM
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So in this leads me to ask, if you believe that our Lord and savior is actually a physical ovis aries (aka lamb)? Or is calling Christ Jesus the Lamb of God mearly symbolism.
If, as I suspect, you do not believe that Christ Jesus is a actual lamb, then why do you take this as symbolism and not other parts, particularly in Revelation?
First, please answer this question:
Is everything written in Revelation symbolism?
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"I am a companion of all them that fear thee, and of them that keep thy precepts." Psalm 119:63
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"For here have we no continuing city, but we seek one to come." Heb 13:14 = "notmycity"
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RE: Church as the so-called bride of Christ? - 6/18/2008 4:40:59 PM
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So in this leads me to ask, if you believe that our Lord and savior is actually a physical ovis aries (aka lamb)? Or is calling Christ Jesus the Lamb of God mearly symbolism.
If, as I suspect, you do not believe that Christ Jesus is a actual lamb, then why do you take this as symbolism and not other parts, particularly in Revelation?
First, please answer this question:
Is everything written in Revelation symbolism?
If you take on face value that Jesus is going to marry a city instead of His blood-bought Church, then you apparently think so.
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RE: Church as the so-called bride of Christ? - 6/19/2008 11:35:12 AM
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So in this leads me to ask, if you believe that our Lord and savior is actually a physical ovis aries (aka lamb)? Or is calling Christ Jesus the Lamb of God mearly symbolism.
If, as I suspect, you do not believe that Christ Jesus is a actual lamb, then why do you take this as symbolism and not other parts, particularly in Revelation?
I forgot to mention that the holy city includes physical measurements, which is another indicator that it is an actual physical place, and not symbolic.
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"I am a companion of all them that fear thee, and of them that keep thy precepts." Psalm 119:63
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"For here have we no continuing city, but we seek one to come." Heb 13:14 = "notmycity"
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RE: Church as the so-called bride of Christ? - 6/19/2008 1:14:53 PM
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notmycity,
What would Jesus marrying a city look like, practically? How would it further God's purposes and increase His glory?
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RE: Church as the so-called bride of Christ? - 6/19/2008 1:58:19 PM
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notmycity,
What would Jesus marrying a city look like, practically? How would it further God's purposes and increase His glory?
“Practical” is a human term, and not too long ago I had someone ask a similar question such as “What would Jesus marrying a city look like logically?”
These are terms based on finite human reasoning and traditions of men. The cross can not be thought of as “logical” or “practical”, and the same goes for much of Christian doctrine.
The “bride, the Lamb’s wife” being the holy city makes about as much “sense” as God taking on human form so He can be crucified in my place when I am the one who deserves to be crucified.
Do I understand it? No, I am only commanded to believe.
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"I am a companion of all them that fear thee, and of them that keep thy precepts." Psalm 119:63
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"For here have we no continuing city, but we seek one to come." Heb 13:14 = "notmycity"
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RE: Church as the so-called bride of Christ? - 6/19/2008 3:45:16 PM
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“Practical” is a human term, and not too long ago I had someone ask a similar question such as “What would Jesus marrying a city look like logically?”
These are terms based on finite human reasoning and traditions of men.
1, I notice you ignored my second question entirely.
2, I disagree entirely. God is logical. If God were not understandable to us in logical, practical ways, then He would be entirely transcendent - and to say that is to deny any number of key doctrines, including the human incarnation of Christ.
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The cross can not be thought of as “logical” or “practical”, and the same goes for much of Christian doctrine.
I disagree here too. In my opinion, no aspect of Christian doctrine strikes me as illogical or impractical.
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The “bride, the Lamb’s wife” being the holy city makes about as much “sense” as God taking on human form so He can be crucified in my place when I am the one who deserves to be crucified.
Your example doesn't hold up. The incarnation, life, death and resurrection of Christ makes complete sense light of the complete witness of Scripture.
God the Son marrying a physical city does not.
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Do I understand it? No, I am only commanded to believe.
Why believe something you do not understand?
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RE: Church as the so-called bride of Christ? - 6/19/2008 6:27:47 PM
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How would it further God's purposes and increase His glory?
Non-issue.
Please note what Christ said:
John 17:1-5
1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
Christ and the Father were glorified through Christ’s and His work on the cross.
Heb 12:1-2
1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,
2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
Again, it’s all about Christ’s work on the cross.
Revelation 21 says what it says. We glorify God when we believe His Word.
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"I am a companion of all them that fear thee, and of them that keep thy precepts." Psalm 119:63
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"For here have we no continuing city, but we seek one to come." Heb 13:14 = "notmycity"
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RE: Church as the so-called bride of Christ? - 6/19/2008 11:24:16 PM
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Non-issue.
I fail to see how you can say this, especially in light of the Scriptures you yourself quote!
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Please note what Christ said:
John 17:1-5
1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
Christ and the Father were glorified through Christ’s and His work on the cross.
Christ's #1 focus at the most difficult time of His earthly ministry was in one place - the glory of God. If God is concerned, primarily, with His glory here, why would He be less concerned during the end-times events?
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Heb 12:1-2
1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,
2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
Again, it’s all about Christ’s work on the cross.
...Actually, I'm not sure how that applies to this discussion at all. Sorry, perhaps you could clarify more?
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Revelation 21 says what it says. We glorify God when we believe His Word.
But we don't glorify God when we don't properly exegete, understand and apply His word. He does not call us to blind, surface readings. And Scripture must be read in the context of Scripture. Given the immense, undeniable (in my opinion) theme of God's glory being paramount, I contend that you must show a way that God is glorified through Jesus marrying a literal city.
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You're a door without a key,
A field without a fence.
You've made a holy fool of me,
And I've thanked you ever since.
- Aaron Weiss
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