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PopsiLufsJesus -> RE: Christmas, 2008 (8/29/2008 12:24:09 AM)
We just made Cinnamon Applesauce Ornaments. We are getting ready for the holidays. The first batch that we made didn't turn out too well. They cracked into pieces and so the second batch we used flour and we are letting them self dry. Yay! They look purty good so far! I am excited! :D

Covaan_Meshuga -> RE: Christmas, 2008 (8/29/2008 1:46:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Jimbo It wasn't the original purpose of those feasts. They've been "Christianized" - a charge laid against those of us who choose to celebrate the events at a different time. It doesn't bother me that you celebrate differently than me. The insinuation that not following the Jewish feasts & Torah makes us uninspired or second class Christians is what gets under my skin. It was that sort of attitude that made me post in another thread: quote: I was told that the exclamation "Gee" is a short for "Geez." And Geez is a corruption of the word Jesus. Isn't there a rule about that somewhere in Torah? Not you specifically, just in general. Of course not me! You know I love you! [;)] Cyber love, anyway. The love a very married woman has for another believer, anyway. You know -- distant love. You know, don't you? I mean -- like if you were drowning, I would throw you a lifesaver (not the candy-kind) and call for help -- that kind of love? If you had bad breath, I would give you a peppermint Lifesaver and not mention your breath? If you were hungry, I'd give you food? If you wanted my Pepsi, I would give that to you even? You want some of those plums from my tree before the raccoons get them all? I have blackberries!!!! But back to those feasts, Jimbo, I don't view them as you do. I see them as fully observed, because without Messiah, they are missing the purpose. What are the days following Passover if we don't think about what Messiah did during that time, almost right up to those 50 days? What is the Feast of Lights -- Chanukkah -- if we don't think about Messiah in the Temple during those days? What is Sukkot -- the Feast of Booths -- if we don't remember that He was born around that time and that He waits for the day when we are with Him? It is just not the same without Him. quote: ORIGINAL: Popsi Awwwhh Abiyah, Christmas is a beautiful time of year. What would you like for Christmas? I'm sorry! I just don't do Christmas! [sm=icon_smile.gif] What would I like for Christmas? The 5th day of Chanukkah begins that evening, so maybe after a supper with latkes, a little eggnog, made with almond milk, in front of the fireplace with my husband, where five candles burn brightly in my chanukkiah? [sm=icon_smile.gif]

zoebob -> RE: Christmas, 2008 (8/29/2008 6:23:43 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PopsiLufsJesus We just made Cinnamon Applesauce Ornaments. We are getting ready for the holidays. The first batch that we made didn't turn out too well. They cracked into pieces and so the second batch we used flour and we are letting them self dry. Yay! They look purty good so far! I am excited! :D I made those one year. I made little people for my kids and all the cousins and painted them with their initials and the year.

PopsiLufsJesus -> RE: Christmas, 2008 (8/29/2008 9:55:00 AM)
*sits next to Abiyah, we need to have a talk... altho the candlelight thing sounds good... Smiles. Zoe, that's cool. It is fun fun. Especially when they turn out right. My Mom always made perfect ones.

themoodyexperience -> RE: Christmas, 2008 (8/29/2008 11:09:44 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PopsiLufsJesus Christmas starts in October! :D Amen! The holidays for me start October 1st and end with the national championship game.

JimboFletch -> RE: Christmas, 2008 (8/29/2008 11:11:13 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: themoodyexperience ... end with the national championship game. You must mean the Iron Bowl. WAR EAGLE!

PopsiLufsJesus -> RE: Christmas, 2008 (8/29/2008 11:22:59 AM)
the Iron Bowl is running, biking, and something else...right?

JimboFletch -> RE: Christmas, 2008 (8/29/2008 11:27:37 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PopsiLufsJesus the Iron Bowl is running, biking, and something else...right? No, it's the annual football rivalry between the University of Alabama and Auburn University. Themoodyexperience and I both live in Alabama but on opposite ends of the state (him north, me south).

PopsiLufsJesus -> RE: Christmas, 2008 (8/29/2008 11:31:55 AM)
Oh my bad! Was what I was describing Iron Men? I love football, but playing. I don't reallly keep up with it...

LBolt -> RE: Christmas, 2008 (8/29/2008 1:01:23 PM)
quote: Amen! The holidays for me start October 1st and end with the national championship game. LOL!! I'm pulling for Ohio State, although they've had a couple hiccups in the past 2 years. [:@] Last year was supposed to be a rebuild year.

Lapidoth -> RE: Christmas, 2008 (8/29/2008 1:16:12 PM)
quote: But back to those feasts, Jimbo, I don't view them as you do. I see them as fully observed, because without Messiah, they are missing the purpose. What are the days following Passover if we don't think about what Messiah did during that time, almost right up to those 50 days? What is the Feast of Lights -- Chanukkah -- if we don't think about Messiah in the Temple during those days? What is Sukkot -- the Feast of Booths -- if we don't remember that He was born around that time and that He waits for the day when we are with Him? It is just not the same without Him. Without "those" feasts we miss out on some of the dynamics.

PopsiLufsJesus -> RE: Christmas, 2008 (8/29/2008 1:17:55 PM)
*note to self, study the Old testament more often...

Lapidoth -> RE: Christmas, 2008 (8/29/2008 1:23:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PopsiLufsJesus *note to self, study the Old testament more often... Good note. Whole counsel of God = OT + NT Amen.

Cloak -> RE: Christmas, 2008 (8/29/2008 10:46:56 PM)
I've got 2 neighbours with Xmas decoration in their yard. It is so fascinating that I keep looking at their decoration even tho I believe it's a lil early. I can hardly wait for Xmas.

PopsiLufsJesus -> RE: Christmas, 2008 (8/29/2008 10:59:30 PM)
Really??? Christmas decorations already? wowzers

themoodyexperience -> RE: Christmas, 2008 (8/30/2008 12:32:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JimboFletch quote: ORIGINAL: themoodyexperience ... end with the national championship game. You must mean the Iron Bowl. WAR EAGLE! You'd think it was the national championship they way people go on and on about it. ROLL TIDE!

Thessa -> RE: Christmas, 2008 (8/31/2008 9:10:56 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PopsiLufsJesus you can never really take Christ out of Christmas... I know - but i meant the ones that make sure and say "Happy Holidays" instead of "Merry Chrismas" so as not to 'offend' anyone...[8\|]

armydude -> RE: Christmas, 2008 (8/31/2008 9:13:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Thessa quote: ORIGINAL: PopsiLufsJesus you can never really take Christ out of Christmas... I know - but i meant the ones that make sure and say "Happy Holidays" instead of "Merry Chrismas" so as not to 'offend' anyone...[8\|] When people start talking about how offended they are, I usually ask them to point out where in the Constitution it says they have a right not to be offended. If they can find it (and nobody has yet) I hush.

Thessa -> RE: Christmas, 2008 (8/31/2008 9:38:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: armydude quote: ORIGINAL: Thessa quote: ORIGINAL: PopsiLufsJesus you can never really take Christ out of Christmas... I know - but i meant the ones that make sure and say "Happy Holidays" instead of "Merry Chrismas" so as not to 'offend' anyone...[8\|] When people start talking about how offended they are, I usually ask them to point out where in the Constitution it says they have a right not to be offended. If they can find it (and nobody has yet) I hush. I dont believe in the seperation of church and state. Obviously you do.

armydude -> RE: Christmas, 2008 (8/31/2008 9:43:35 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Thessa quote: ORIGINAL: armydude quote: ORIGINAL: Thessa quote: ORIGINAL: PopsiLufsJesus you can never really take Christ out of Christmas... I know - but i meant the ones that make sure and say "Happy Holidays" instead of "Merry Chrismas" so as not to 'offend' anyone...[8\|] When people start talking about how offended they are, I usually ask them to point out where in the Constitution it says they have a right not to be offended. If they can find it (and nobody has yet) I hush. I dont believe in the seperation of church and state. Obviously you do. I believe that the idea behind the separation of church and state originally was FAR different than people want to make it out to be now. But that question could take up its own thread I believe. Long story short, the separation of church and state has nothing to do with offending those that don't believe in God. It says (IMHO) that the government cannot endorse any particular religious belief. The flip side of that (still IMHO) is that the government cannot condemn any particular belief. To use an example, is a painting of the ten commandments on a court wall an endorsement? Not to me.

Thessa -> RE: Christmas, 2008 (8/31/2008 10:40:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: armydude quote: ORIGINAL: Thessa quote: ORIGINAL: armydude quote: ORIGINAL: Thessa quote: ORIGINAL: PopsiLufsJesus you can never really take Christ out of Christmas... I know - but i meant the ones that make sure and say "Happy Holidays" instead of "Merry Chrismas" so as not to 'offend' anyone...[8\|] When people start talking about how offended they are, I usually ask them to point out where in the Constitution it says they have a right not to be offended. If they can find it (and nobody has yet) I hush. I dont believe in the seperation of church and state. Obviously you do. I believe that the idea behind the separation of church and state originally was FAR different than people want to make it out to be now. But that question could take up its own thread I believe. Long story short, the separation of church and state has nothing to do with offending those that don't believe in God. It says (IMHO) that the government cannot endorse any particular religious belief. The flip side of that (still IMHO) is that the government cannot condemn any particular belief. To use an example, is a painting of the ten commandments on a court wall an endorsement? Not to me. Yes i think it is an endorsement - of what is believed. I have crosses on my walls and different things like that and its revelant to what i believe in. If u see the 10 commandments then obviously anyone else would assume it was an endorsement for faith in those Commandments. And yes the separation of church and state has everything to do with what we're talking about. Thats what they always say - and thats why i believe you brought up the constitution in the first place.

armydude -> RE: Christmas, 2008 (8/31/2008 10:43:13 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Thessa Thats what they always say - and thats why i believe you brought up the constitution in the first place. I bring up the constitution because I have had people tell me that they have a right not to listen to me talk about Jesus. Now that is true, but that does not translate into the idea that I don't have a right to talk about Him. I say, "If you don't like what I'm saying, tune me out. My wife does it all the time."

Thessa -> RE: Christmas, 2008 (8/31/2008 10:46:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: armydude quote: ORIGINAL: Thessa Thats what they always say - and thats why i believe you brought up the constitution in the first place. I bring up the constitution because I have had people tell me that they have a right not to listen to me talk about Jesus. Now that is true, but that does not translate into the idea that I don't have a right to talk about Him. I say, "If you don't like what I'm saying, tune me out. My wife does it all the time." But what they are saying isnt true. They dont have a constitutional right not to listen to you. But you on the other hand have the right to talk about it all day and all night. Because there is freedom of speech. But the constitution has nothing to do with stores and groups saying that its wrong for them to hear the words "Merry Christmas" or to see baby Jesus lying in a manger.

armydude -> RE: Christmas, 2008 (8/31/2008 10:57:35 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Thessa quote: ORIGINAL: armydude quote: ORIGINAL: Thessa Thats what they always say - and thats why i believe you brought up the constitution in the first place. I bring up the constitution because I have had people tell me that they have a right not to listen to me talk about Jesus. Now that is true, but that does not translate into the idea that I don't have a right to talk about Him. I say, "If you don't like what I'm saying, tune me out. My wife does it all the time." But what they are saying isnt true. They dont have a constitutional right not to listen to you. But you on the other hand have the right to talk about it all day and all night. Because there is freedom of speech. They don't? Interesting. I learned something today. But I'm confused. Why don't they have the right not to listen? (and no, I'm not being snarky... I'm actually interested in hearing it) quote: But the constitution has nothing to do with stores and groups saying that its wrong for them to hear the words "Merry Christmas" or to see baby Jesus lying in a manger. True.

PopsiLufsJesus -> RE: Christmas, 2008 (8/31/2008 2:15:03 PM)
Instead of focusing on the separation of church and state we might focus on the seperation of church and hate...

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