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RE: take your time - 12/16/2005 11:38:50 AM
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That is what Satan would have you believe. Please go through your Strong's concordance and look up the words judge, judging, and judgment ans they pply to what Christian mut do. Not only must Christians judge sin within themselves, but they must judge sin with the assembly, and then they must judge righteous judgment. We are to make judgments daily.
Matthew 7:1-6
1 "Do not judge, so that you won't be judged. 2 For with the judgment you use, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. 3 Why do you look at the speck in your brother's eye, but don't notice the log in your own eye? 4 Or how can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' and look, there's a log in your eye? 5 Hypocrite! First take the log out of your eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye.
It appears to me that this is what Jesus wants being as it is all in red letters in my Bible. He alone lead the perfect life. We should not condone what they do, but realize they need to choose to stop the sinful lifestyle of their own God-given free will.
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You speak of "the gay community". That is a Satanic lie. There is no such thing as a "gay community".
I think it is called San Francisco… 
You can close your eyes and throw all the Bibles you want, but the reality is, in this fallen world, that there will be communities of homosexuals. The only way to help these people is to replace the distorted vision they have of love with the reflection of Christ’s perfect love.
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If Jesus were walking this earth as a man, and He were to preach on television, He would address the homosexuals and remind them of what He has said through His apostle in the book of Romans. In fact He would take them right through the book of Romans, and command them to repent
Joh 15:17 -
This is what I command you: that you love one another.
This is the only command I see that Jesus gave to people.
I would think He would tell them He loved them too.
Homosexuality is a perversion and it is a sexual sin, just like all sexual sins. It must be exposed as a sin against God and man, and those who are snared by it should be told that Christ can and will cure them if they will only believe and repent
On the right track here…don't forget a liberal sprinkling of God's love...
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you can be a Christian and have lesbian desire. It is just unChristian to act on those desires, just like it is unchristian to lie, to take God's name in vain, to covet, to steal, etc.
To say that you can't be a Christian and a lesbian does a disservice to those Christians who have same sex attractions, are not acting on them, are trying to change them even, yet for what whatever reason they don't change.
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Second, you said this, "if Jesus were here right now I don't think he would like anyone to bash someone because of their sexual preference especially if they had accepted Christ as their saviour..." In light of scripture we know what you say can not be true, namely that a person can not be a homosexual, receive Christ in their heart, and continue in a homosexual lifestyle.
I guarantee He would not bash!
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7 So when they continued asking Him, He raised Himself up F46 and said to them, "He who is without sin among you, let him throw a stone at her first." 8 And again He stooped down and wrote on the ground. 9 Then those who heard it, being convicted by their conscience, F47 went out one by one, beginning with the oldest even to the last. And Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst. 10 When Jesus had raised Himself up and saw no one but the woman, He said to her, F48 "Woman, where are those accusers of yours? F49 Has no one condemned you?" 11 She said, "No one, Lord." And Jesus said to her, "Neither do I condemn you; go and F50 sin no more."
I see no bashing here. Lifestyle is actions. Feelings or urges to sin are with every man, just differs from person to person as to what the specifics are.
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RE: Homosexuality - One Stop Thread - 12/16/2005 9:57:39 PM
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How? You've said this over and over but haven't explained how.
For this to work drive would have to legitimize the act, and that isn't the case. We have pretty clear evidence that some people are genetically predisposed to alchoholism, but yet we still view drunken driving as a crime. Because the act itself is what determines its rightness or wrongness, not the drive to commit the act. So if homosexuality is not a choice, how exactly would this legitimize Adults raping children?
According to the homosexual community, the cause of homosexuality is the predisposition of same sex attraction. In other words, born that way. Yet, unless one engages in the act, one cannot be considered homosexual as the term implies that one has a sexual preference to engage in sexual acts with a member of the same sex. On the same token, no one is called a pedophile unless they engage in the act. Because pedophile is not socially accepted, persons identified as child molesters by the legal system will not own the label of pedophile in the same manner that a homosexual will own the label. To claim that one is homosexual is to find an identity in their sexuality. Their sexual identity is who they are and is of utmost importance to them.
We, as a society, have changed our understanding of the definition of homosexuality. It has gone from being a mental illness to gaining full social and legal recognition and is on the verge of becoming a protected class. IN fact, according to yesterday's Breakpoint:
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In short, several psychiatrists are now pushing for racists and people who suffer from "homophobia" to be labeled mentally ill.
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Just think about where this could lead: In short order, we might begin to put people who strongly oppose homosexual behavior on the same level as people who suffer irrational fears of gays, and declare both people mentally ill. After all, the American Psychiatric Association says that homosexual behavior is normal. So to strongly oppose it would be irrational. It's a very short step from there to saying that this person is suffering from "pathological bias."
My argument about the future acceptance of pedophilia is based on the fact that as we play semantics with our sexuality and begin to question our own belief in scripture as to sexual matters, we become so immersed in cultural standards that we normalize behavior once thought of as so perverse it will never happen.
Finally, the conlusion of yesterday's Breakpoint:
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But if the day should come that opposition to homosexual conduct is labeled homophobia, and homophobia labeled delusional, then it is a very short step to saying that belief in the Bible, which labels that conduct sinful, is also a mental disorder.
Frightening? Indeed. Impossible? I'm afraid not.
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RE: Homosexuality - One Stop Thread - 12/17/2005 4:57:49 AM
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ORIGINAL: zamdad
According to the homosexual community, the cause of homosexuality is the predisposition of same sex attraction. In other words, born that way. Yet, unless one engages in the act, one cannot be considered homosexual as the term implies that one has a sexual preference to engage in sexual acts with a member of the same sex.
This makes no sense, and I'm not really following you. Are you saying that to be considered homosexual by the homosexual community you must engage in same-sex sex? If so, this is not the case at all as I think most homosexuals (and pyschology, and the general public who are pro-gay) would believe that "Gay" lies not in the act, but in the desire.
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On the same token, no one is called a pedophile unless they engage in the act. Because pedophile is not socially accepted, persons identified as child molesters by the legal system will not own the label of pedophile in the same manner that a homosexual will own the label. To claim that one is homosexual is to find an identity in their sexuality. Their sexual identity is who they are and is of utmost importance to them.
I'm a bit confused. What does any of this have to do with anything I said? We were discussing whether or not sexual desire is chosen, and if not whether this legitimizes acting on the desires.
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My argument about the future acceptance of pedophilia is based on the fact that as we play semantics with our sexuality and begin to question our own belief in scripture as to sexual matters, we become so immersed in cultural standards that we normalize behavior once thought of as so perverse it will never happen.
I know this. You believe that cultural standards are removing us from Biblical morality and sending us on a headlong collision with pedophilia. I'm not sure what your point is in repeating it another time.
The act of pedophilia is a different thing entirely than most sexual acts because the reason why we see it as wrong is based on more than just morality and sexual taboos alone, but on other beliefs about consent. We view pedophilia not as a sexual act, but as an act of violence or rape. IT is one person committing a crime by taking advantage of the other (in much the same way as a rober, rapist, or murderer, etc). This is different socially than how homosexuality has been viewed in the past, which has usually been seen not as an act of violence but as a morally unjust act which two equally guilty people are engaging in. If our society ever does legalize pedophilia it will not be because we relaxed sexual morals , but because we relaxed our views about individual right to be free from harm inflicted on them from others without their consent (i.e. robbery, murder, beatings, etc).
Do you think acceptence of homosexuality will lead to the legalization of rape or the legalization of murder? Or the legalization of drunken driving?
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RE: take your time - 12/20/2005 7:41:35 PM
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Explain to me how someone who has same sex attraction (but doesnt act on them and recognizes that homosexual behavior is wrong) cannot be saved. You can be homosexual without engaging in homosexual acts. It is merely the attraction to the people of the same gender.
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RE: take your time - 12/20/2005 7:55:36 PM
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figmentPez, would you call someone heterosexual if they have never engaged in opposite-gender sex but are tempted towards lusting after the opposite gender?
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RE: Homosexuality - One Stop Thread - 12/20/2005 8:17:34 PM
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figmentPez, would you call someone heterosexual if they have never engaged in opposite-gender sex but are tempted towards lusting after the opposite gender?
If they plan on being heterosexual at some point in the future, I suppose the term could reasonably apply, but there's no need to put either label on someone who is not actually being sexual.
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RE: Homosexuality - One Stop Thread - 12/20/2005 9:57:34 PM
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Are you saying that to be considered homosexual by the homosexual community you must engage in same-sex sex? If so, this is not the case at all as I think most homosexuals (and pyschology, and the general public who are pro-gay) would believe that "Gay" lies not in the act, but in the desire.
Yes. Who has bought into a lie? The homosexual community and their advocates want people to belive the label lives in the desire. But, as has been pointed out, jsut because someone has the desire to steal, they are not labled a thief. Just as someone has the desire to lie, they are not labled a liar. Why is homosexuality an exception to the rule of labeling? This is why I have been saying that if desire determines orientation, then pedophiles will want to claim their right as well.
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RE: Homosexuality - One Stop Thread - 12/20/2005 10:07:44 PM
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I don't plan on marrying a woman, so I'm not straight. And according to you, I'm not homosexual. So I'm this mythical being that doesn't exist.
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RE: Homosexuality - One Stop Thread - 12/20/2005 10:12:25 PM
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I don't plan on marrying a woman, so I'm not straight. And according to you, I'm not homosexual. So I'm this mythical being that doesn't exist.
What mythical being that doesn't exist? If you act sexually (either by lusting in your heart or by acting physically) it is then you can truly said to be heterosexual or homosexual, until that time, you're chaste or celibate. It is not a requirement to be either to be healthy (and being homosexual is decidedly unhealthy). If someone chooses to be non-sexual, that does not mean they cease to exist.
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RE: Homosexuality - One Stop Thread - 12/20/2005 10:13:28 PM
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Are you saying that to be considered homosexual by the homosexual community you must engage in same-sex sex? If so, this is not the case at all as I think most homosexuals (and pyschology, and the general public who are pro-gay) would believe that "Gay" lies not in the act, but in the desire.
Yes. Who has bought into a lie? The homosexual community and their advocates want people to belive the label lives in the desire. But, as has been pointed out, jsut because someone has the desire to steal, they are not labled a thief. Just as someone has the desire to lie, they are not labled a liar. Why is homosexuality an exception to the rule of labeling? This is why I have been saying that if desire determines orientation, then pedophiles will want to claim their right as well.
1. Yes, the label lives in the desire. What's your point?
2. A liar can choose not to lie sometimes. I cannot choose to be attracted to a female. I can't make a moral decision to be turned on by ample bosoms.
3. Pedophiles will claim their right to what? To call themselves pedophiles? Of course they're pedophiles...
I'm not condoning homosexuality. I'm just saying "non-practicing homosexual" is a viable term.
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RE: Homosexuality - One Stop Thread - 12/20/2005 10:15:34 PM
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2. A liar can choose not to lie sometimes. I cannot choose to be attracted to a female. I can't make a moral decision to be turned on by ample bosoms.
There's nothing moral about lusting after women, and there is no moral requirement to be sexual. Paul was not married, nor did he desire to be, and he was a whole and complete person. There is nothing immoral about choosing to not act sexually, or engage in lustful thoughts.
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RE: Homosexuality - One Stop Thread - 12/20/2005 10:22:14 PM
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Well the point was my attraction isn't something I have control over, whereas a liar DOES have control.
So back to point #1: The "homosexual" label lives in the desire. I agree with this, but you seem to have issues with it. Care to expound upon it?
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RE: Homosexuality - One Stop Thread - 12/20/2005 10:30:41 PM
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Well the point was my attraction isn't something I have control over, whereas a liar DOES have control.
So back to point #1: The "homosexual" label lives in the desire. I agree with this, but you seem to have issues with it. Care to expound upon it?
But, you are not likely to make the claim homo or hetero or bi sexual until you become sexual. It seems the desire comes from engaging in the act and choosing one of the options.
Even though we are born sexual beings, we are not born with the knowledge of how to engage in sexual activity. It's a learned process.
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RE: Homosexuality - One Stop Thread - 12/20/2005 10:41:18 PM
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"Sexual" meaning having the desire to engage in sexual activity or actually doing it? Because if you don't have the desire to do it with a certain gender (or you wanna do it with both), then clearly you're straight/gay/bi. I can sleep with a woman, but that act doesn't make me heterosexual because I still have the desire to do otherwise... You can TRY both options and decide which one you like I suppose, but if a naked woman doesn't cause lust but a naked man does, then chances are... you're gay.
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RE: Homosexuality - One Stop Thread - 12/20/2005 10:56:12 PM
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Well the point was my attraction isn't something I have control over, whereas a liar DOES have control.
So back to point #1: The "homosexual" label lives in the desire. I agree with this, but you seem to have issues with it. Care to expound upon it?
As someone who is tempted to lie casually ("No, I completely forgot to put my dish in the dishwasher, I wasn't intentionally trying to do less work!") I can tell you that liars do not have control over the temptation to lie. All those who have been redeemed by Christ have the choice weather they will entertain that temptation and make it part of their thought life (and thereby sin in their heart) and weather they will act on that temptation. Those tempted by homosexuality are no different in this. All humans are tempted to sin, even Christians, and we should not identify ourselves by what we are tempted to do, but by what we choose to make a part of oursevles. We are no longer slaves to sin, why should we let them define who we are?
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RE: Homosexuality - One Stop Thread - 12/20/2005 11:03:11 PM
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"Sexual" meaning having the desire to engage in sexual activity or actually doing it? Because if you don't have the desire to do it with a certain gender (or you wanna do it with both), then clearly you're straight/gay/bi. I can sleep with a woman, but that act doesn't make me heterosexual because I still have the desire to do otherwise... You can TRY both options and decide which one you like I suppose, but if a naked woman doesn't cause lust but a naked man does, then chances are... you're gay.
1. Sinful sexuality is not healthy, no matter what gender is doing it with what gender. This includes lust, lust is sin.
2. A man having sexual intercourse with a woman is engaging in heterosexual intercourse, and is acting heterosexually, regardless of any desire he may or may not feel for that woman.
3. Not everyone ascribes to your definition of "homosexual" and "gay". Being tempted towards attraction to one's own gender does not make a person homosexual. Choosing to lust after, or act on that lust, one's own gender is what makes a person homosexual, not where their temptation lies.
4. A person need not be sexual at all. If one is tempted towards homosexual attraction, and is not sexually attracted to the opposite gender, that person can choose to not engage in sexual lust or sexual activity, and by choosing to not be sexual, they can choose not to be homosexual, even if they are not heterosexual either.
5. A person doesn't need to "try" or "experiment" with sexuality. One can choose to be God honoring in their thought life and physical actions, regardless of what temptations to sin they may have.
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RE: Homosexuality - One Stop Thread - 12/20/2005 11:45:38 PM
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"Sexual" meaning having the desire to engage in sexual activity or actually doing it? Because if you don't have the desire to do it with a certain gender (or you wanna do it with both), then clearly you're straight/gay/bi. I can sleep with a woman, but that act doesn't make me heterosexual because I still have the desire to do otherwise... You can TRY both options and decide which one you like I suppose, but if a naked woman doesn't cause lust but a naked man does, then chances are... you're gay.
The confusion here, as has already been stated, is that you are a homosexual until you engage in the behavior of a homosexual. Many people are tempted with various things and the desire for them can be forgiven, just as the act can be forgiven - but they are two different things. This is where the gay lobby/activists has tried to confuse the issue. The behavior is what defines a homosexual. A person with desire is just human. All humans are born into a fallen nature and will have ungodly desires.
I find it just a bit odd that with all the mention of being born gay or "sexual orientation" that the most overlooked issue is that there is not one shred of evidence or proof that anyone is born gay. Zero, zilch, nada.
Until you engage in the act, you are a person trying to come to grips with desire, just like everyone else.
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RE: Homosexuality - One Stop Thread - 12/21/2005 12:10:26 AM
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I'm trying to be patient here. I like men. I do not like women. Even if I NEVER had any sexual relations with a man, I would be a homosexual. Why? Because I like men.
So if you (you, I mean you you you) are a virgin, are you still a heterosexual? According to your definition, you're not because you never had heterosexual relations with a woman.
No one is CHOOSING to lust after anyone. It just happens. Why can't you christians understand that!! I didn't choose to lust after anyone!!!!! It just happens naturally, just like you get turned on by women.
NO ONE CHOOSES. ugh, gosh. why can't you people understand that? I don't CHOOSE to lust after men. You can't just suddenly decide to stop lusting after men. It's not a choice!!!!
And I NEVER said I was born gay.
You can CHOOSE to not act upon homosexual desires. True. But you're still homosexual.
OK this is a stupid argument of semantics. We have different definitions of "gay." Even though the whole world and the dictionary define "gay" as having feelings (sexual AND emotional) to persons of the same gender. I know someone can bring up a verse about the world being evil, corrupt, blah blah and we shouldn't follow the world. But we don't have theological differences here. I never said I condone homosexual behavior. All I want Christians to understand is that there ARE gay christians and many of them live celibate lives, knowing they may never be straight. We can't choose to stop thinking about men in a sexual/emotional way.
There are gay Christians out there who are struggling, and the worst thing you can tell them is that they can choose to stop thiking about men. aint gonna happen.
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RE: Homosexuality - One Stop Thread - 12/21/2005 12:19:57 AM
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I'm trying to be patient here. I like men. I do not like women. Even if I NEVER had any sexual relations with a man, I would be a homosexual. Why? Because I like men.
And we're trying to explain to you that we reject your definition of homosexuality.
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So if you (you, I mean you you you) are a virgin, are you still a heterosexual? According to your definition, you're not because you never had heterosexual relations with a woman.
Yes, if someone chooses to not be sexual, they are not heterosexual, nor homosexual.
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No one is CHOOSING to lust after anyone. It just happens. Why can't you christians understand that!! I didn't choose to lust after anyone!!!!! It just happens naturally, just like you get turned on by women.
NO ONE CHOOSES. ugh, gosh. why can't you people understand that? I don't CHOOSE to lust after men. You can't just suddenly decide to stop lusting after men. It's not a choice!!!!
You define lust differently than the Bible does. Yes, I am tempted to lust after women. Yes, I give in and do it, even though I shouldn't. However, I choose to lust after women, it is a sinful and wrong choice. I, however, through the grace of God, have been given the ability to choose to not lust after women as well. Yes, that's right, we are no longer slaves to sin, we can choose to not lust. If I am tempted to lust, I can be empowered (through prayer, fellowship, reading the Bible, the power of the Holy Spirit, etc) to not give into that temptation. I can choose to not lust. I can choose to not have purposeful thoughts of having a woman I should not have. If I can seek help from God in not turning to pornography and lusting after women, I see no reason why you can't adopt a Biblical definition of the word lust and let God show you how to no longer lust after men.
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You can CHOOSE to not act upon homosexual desires. True. But you're still homosexual.
That depends on your definition, doesn't it? I, and MANY OTHERS, REJECT your definition, and choose not to label people by the sins they are tempted by, but choose to rather allow people to put their sins behind them, and be new creations in Christ.
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There are gay Christians out there who are struggling, and the worst thing you can tell them is that they can choose to stop thiking about men. aint gonna happen.
1. Some people are given freedom from some of their temptations. It's rare, but it does happen.
2. While they may not be able to stop being tempted, they certainly can choose to change their thought life so that they battle against lust, instead of giving into it.
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RE: Homosexuality - One Stop Thread - 12/21/2005 6:35:53 AM
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Yes. Who has bought into a lie? The homosexual community and their advocates want people to belive the label lives in the desire. But, as has been pointed out, jsut because someone has the desire to steal, they are not labled a thief. Just as someone has the desire to lie, they are not labled a liar.
This is fine if you want to believe this, but I was talking about what homosexuals (and most people/psychologists) define as the requirements in being homosexual. Most believe that you either are or are not gay, regardless of if you have sex or not. Like it or not, this is what "homosexuality" means in our culture (even before the gay rights movement. In fact the word was initially created specifically to refer to a condition characterized by desire in order to cure it. The more traditional "sodomite" speaks more to "action" than it does desire, so I assume the medical community wanted something more clinical and specific), if you have a problem with the meaning then you can try to change its meaning (which is incredibly hard to do) or simply refuse to use the word (which is much easier).
Although I wouldn't recommend using the word to people who don't share your meaning of it without some sort of explanation, as all that is going to do is confuse people given that no one will be talking about the same thing. I actually think this disconnect is the cause of most of the strife between pro-gay anti-gay groups, as when using the word "homosexual" the former will tend to take it more personally than the latter probably meant it.
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Why is homosexuality an exception to the rule of labeling?
It's not an exception to the rule of labeling, we just don't apply one universal rule of labling to everything. Things divide, labels shift, and become more complicated as society changes and discourse shifts. The word "homosexuality" grew out of the birth of pyschology in the 19th century, when people started looking at action in different ways and what causes action. So "thief" was no longer simply enough to refer to the act of stealing. Psychologists needed "kleptomaniac" mas well, which encompasses the desire/urge to steal as a seperate, identifiable, mental thing that exists apart from the act of stealing (whether these meanings are right or not is irrelevant to the demands that brought the words about and their current conotations).
Again, I think the tensions over the meaning of the word has alot to do with with Biblical tranlsations' misguided use of the word "homosexuality" where something that refers more to action would be appropriate (like "sodomite," which was actually used by most up untill the 1950s). No words used to write the Bible have the same conotations as "homosexual" does today, so I think it would be best if they would just avoid the word all together.
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This is why I have been saying that if desire determines orientation, then pedophiles will want to claim their right as well.
So you've said.
Again desire (even if inborn and hereditary) has never excused action, so unless we decide that a genetic predisposition to alcholism excuses drunk driving, or that a predisposition to violence excuses murder, pedophiles will get no where from the argument.
But I don't think we are getting anywhere and are now just repeating stuff we've already said. I think I've made my case so I'm willing to let the whole "pedophile" thing drop and agree to disagree if you are.
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RE: Homosexuality - One Stop Thread - 12/21/2005 8:04:19 AM
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zamdad
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Henny,
I think the only thing we will agree on is that we will disagree. I've noticed that the argument comes down to semantics. It seems that those who are in support of homosexual rights prefer the humanistic definitions that have changed with the tide of public opinion. If the homosexual lobby had not gained public acceptance, none of us would be claiming the lable "heterosexual." Words that have been used to describe a behavior have been changed to mean an orientation. Orientation has been changed from being a choice to an absolute by adopting the belief they are born that way. Tolerance has become something people have used to avoid conflict to becoming an absolute moral value.
Seems like we have reinvented the old argument of criminal psychology, "born good or born bad?"
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RE: Homosexuality - One Stop Thread - 12/21/2005 8:51:51 AM
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zamdad
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TGE made the statement that arguing with Christians is like arguing with a sock puppet. The thing that strikes me about the statement is, who's holding the puppet?
I guess this argument really comes down to your world view. If one has a biblical world view, one will approach the discussion from that perspective. If one has a worldly perspective, one will approach it from that paradigm. The sad part is, that each side accuses the other of closed mindedness. I think that the bibilcal world view, however, allows for critical thinking and a beter examination of both sides of an issue than the worldy paradigm allows for. The worldly perspective requires a leap of faith where one is likely to land in a damaged net. The Christian perspective places faith in Jesus Christ who has remiained faithful and consistent since the beginning.
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