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zamdad -> RE: Homosexuality Article (11/14/2008 1:12:55 AM)

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Perhaps you are right, but I doubt it.


Why doubt it? Why the double speak?

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The difference between the 1960s and today is that, like it or not, today homosexuality has been de-radicalized. For a large part, gay rights was not on the political agenda for most in the 1960s. It only emerged as a political movement in the 1970s, and even then it was mostly confined to a few fringe, and mostly academic, movements. The important thing about this isn't, however, the politics of the situation. The political arm of the gay rights movement is probably stronger today than it ever was, but at the same time it isn't politics that will ultimately make them win. Rather, it's the fact that homosexuality has become largely de-politicized in the last 10 or 15 years. Children growing up today are living in a post-"Will and Grace" society in which they are very familiar with homosexuals, not as protesters, or scary, exotic, feminine "others," but as just average people. They see them on TV, in the movies, and probably know (or will meet) many personally as people, as oppossed to just the political idea of homosexuality. In contrast, such things never existed 20, 30, or 40 years ago. Despite how radical the 1960s supposedly were, that generation grew up in a time when homosexuality was still very much in the closet. There were no gays on TV, in the movies, etc, etc, gay bashing was pretty much still accepted (in movies and in life), and quite frankly unless you lived in San Francisco or something, it would have been foolish to "come out" at school or work in most places in the USA until the mid 1990s, or so. Many people just didn't know homosexuals on a personal level back then, and most knowledge of them was for a large part limited to the political arm of the gay rights movement. In contrast, it's an entirely different world for people born in the late 1980s or 1990s.


Oh, that's why the double speak. This has been the aim of the homosexual movement all along. Teach the kids that it's okay and the kids will win over the parents. The kids will become accepting and, ultimately, be willing to experiment, which means more sexual partners for the homosexual cause. Only now, instead of using simply the media, the homosexual lobby has moved into the classroom. Homosexuals have not been satisfied with simply being able to come out of the closet, now they want to be mainstreamed into the culture. Embraced for not who they are, but what they are. And with this shoft in thinking and the legislation that comes with it, we Christians will be persecuted for hate mongering because scripture tells us that sexual acts outside God's design lead to eternal condemnation. Instead, we should put aside our beliefs to embrace the beliefs of the culture and learn that love is about accepting and encouraging destructive thinking and behavior.

Let see, Henny, follow the tide of the culture or the writings of a book that have been around forever? Seeing as how the tide changes, I think I'll stand on the rock.



rcjames -> RE: Homosexuality Article (11/14/2008 9:44:55 AM)

Seems to me that the truth of the homosexual agenda has becme very publically displayed in the past week, ritots, desacrating Churches, mailing white powder substance to Chruches, stiffling free speech, attack little old ladies who are peacefully carrying a cross, etc.

The homosexual groups say they are looking for tolerance, but they exhibit none.

Thansk
RC



jbow -> RE: Homosexuality Article (11/14/2008 8:56:56 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ToddTaylor

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ORIGINAL: rcjames
The same will be true for the 2/3 majority mentioned above that support gay marriage at the present.

I hope what you say turns-out to be true, but I have reason to believe it won't. Although I'd rather not admit it, the orchestrators of the homosexual movement are extremely intelligent and extremely well funded. Beyond forcing changes to laws through activist judges and politicians, they plan to permanently change society's opinions about homosexuality through social engineering. I don't like it, but I firmly believe that they will get their way in society eventually... it's just a matter of time and continued effort.

They know that in order to change society's views on their deeply held convictions, you need to start with the children. Teach the children that homosexuality is 'normal'. Bombard children with so many messages about homosexuality before they even understand sexuality that they don't even have a choice but to think it's acceptable. Expose kids at an early age to homosexuality through all forms of media ('Harry Potter' for example), through their schools, and through peer groups so that by the time they start thinking on their own, their acceptance of homosexuality will already be ingrained. Teach kids to rebel against their parent's "hatred" of homosexuals (as though kids need another reason to rebel.) Win the minds of the children, and you win the minds of the next generation and every generation after that.

There are reasons why home schooling was nearly banned in California and reasons why parents in Massachusetts aren't even allowed to have their kids opt-out of classes that teach homosexuality. Your kids will be indoctrinated to believe that homosexuality is 'normal' and there is becoming less and less anyone can do about it.

I've worked as a Sheppard in my church's youth ministry for 3 years and pretty much all the people I worked with had their heads-in-the-sand regarding this topic. By the time people of faith realize what's happening to their children and decide to do something about, it'll be too late... if it isn't already. I'm sorry to be painting such a dooms-day scenario, but I really don't see many signs of hope in this battle.


This is the most disturbing thing I have heard in a while. You are absolutely right. We long ago gave over the education of our children to our enemy. We have been lazy and too self absorbed to trouble ourselves with learning what is being taught to our children. They know nothing of civics or true history, truth does not serve the purpose like propaganda does.

I read the Bible to my grand daughter every time she is over, and that is often. We must teach our children and grand children, if we do... the Lord will honor it. Teach them and pray over them, if you don't, you risk losing them to those who want to pervert them. Our enemy never rests and we must not be at ease in this matter of teaching our children about morality.

Julien



flyboy2610 -> RE: Homosexuality Article (11/16/2008 5:45:30 PM)

This is the same technique Hitler used in Germany. Start with the children.



schupfNoodle -> RE: Homosexuality Article (11/18/2008 5:49:55 PM)

Just curious, I heard someone say that most gays become like that because they were sexually abused when they were children. How true is that?



tomhillbilly -> RE: Homosexuality Article (11/18/2008 7:41:48 PM)

the homosexuals i have talked to, all of them say thats th way they were born. The ones ive talked to, and the ones ive known were homosexual that i never talked to all had one thing in common. I could see and sense their deviancy in their speech and body movements/appearance. I never encountered any statements of sexual abuse, but i never was "good friends" with a homosexual so its not likely they would have shared this sort of information with a mere aquaintence.



rcjames -> RE: Homosexuality Article (11/18/2008 7:56:12 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tomhillbilly

the homosexuals i have talked to, all of them say thats th way they were born.


I would expect nothing else gtp, folks who are trying to justify their sin; except to proclaim that it is not their fault.

This claiim of viciimization is becoming more and more prevelant in our society; as in, "I beat my wife because my mother (or whoever) beat me" "I cannot help myself", "The devil made me do it"; and on and on and on ad naseum.

Dear God please deliver us from these excuses as your Word says;

(Jas 1:13) Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:

(Jas 1:14) But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.

(Jas 1:15) Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.

(Jas 1:16) Do not err, my beloved brethren.

Thanks
RC



Marcus. -> RE: Homosexuality Article (11/18/2008 9:58:51 PM)

I have gotten to know some in school and at work. Those few admitted to being molested while they were very young. I only know of one who seems to have always been that way. But since God doesn't create evil, I think it occurs as a response to hormonal imbalances in utero (read an article several years ago on that hypothesis).



tomhillbilly -> RE: Homosexuality Article (11/18/2008 10:22:32 PM)

homosexuals have told me they are born that way and combined with my observances i believe them. It doesnt make sense for someone to choose a lifestyle that is going to bring persecution.

One theory ive heard that makes sense: when people persecute homosexuals this encourages them to try to fit in and have a the normal 2.3 kids a dog,picket fence and a house. In doing so they are going to pass on their homosexual gene and over time there will just be more and more homosexuals.

I know it is hotly debated that homosexuals are not "born that way" but arent we seeing the evidence in society as we speak?



Marcus. -> RE: Homosexuality Article (11/18/2008 10:46:32 PM)

Not necessarily. Considering how the research to date about it being a genetic condition comes from research that was tainted by setting out to prove that to begin with and no subsequent studies have been able to back that up means it isn't settled yet.

I can't imagine one of these researchers searching for proof that this is genetic, performing any research into the possibility that this occurs during the development of the baby. I remember that the "homosexual researchers" didn't like that theory because a cure was a possibility. What they are looking for isn't the truth but justification and moral acceptance.



SlipperyWhenWet -> RE: Homosexuality Article (11/18/2008 10:59:58 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Marcus.
What they are looking for isn't the truth but justification and moral acceptance.

Lots of good articles on Narth.com... like this one:
"Homosexuality Is Not Hardwired," Concludes Dr. Francis S. Collins, Head Of The Human Genome Project



tomhillbilly -> RE: Homosexuality Article (11/18/2008 11:07:51 PM)

i agree "science" is definately agenda driven and funded. Thats why i was speaking to my personal experience and discernment.



zamdad -> RE: Homosexuality Article (11/18/2008 11:45:36 PM)

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It doesnt make sense for someone to choose a lifestyle that is going to bring persecution.


Then why choose Christianity? Afterall, when we come to Christ, people call us religious nuts and a few other colorful names. Friends and family sometimes seem to distance themselves from us. And, the Bible we read tells us we're going to be persecuted and that we should take joy in that persecution.

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homosexuals have told me they are born that way and combined with my observances i believe them.


Of course they say they're born that way. It's easier than having to explain why they choose to have sex with the same sex. And our observances, in general, tend to be rather generic. We have a tendency to look at the surface and no further. We, as humans, are good at wearing masks and letting people see what we want them to see. People in the bondage of sexual sin tend to do this better than average as they have to become quite adept at interpersonal relationships. At wearing a mask that leaves others feeling comfortable and not risk their secret thought life being exposed.



cristininha -> RE: Homosexuality Article (11/19/2008 1:53:09 AM)

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ORIGINAL: SlipperyWhenWet

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ORIGINAL: Marcus.
What they are looking for isn't the truth but justification and moral acceptance.

Lots of good articles on Narth.com... like this one:
"Homosexuality Is Not Hardwired," Concludes Dr. Francis S. Collins, Head Of The Human Genome Project


Actually, this is what the real Dr Francis S Collins has said about the conclusion made by the writer of the article of the above link:

It troubles me greatly to learn that anything I have written would cause anguish for you or others who are seeking answers to the basis of homosexuality. The words quoted by NARTH all come from the Appendix to my book “The Language of God” (pp. 260-263), but have been juxtaposed in a way that suggests a somewhat different conclusion that I intended. I would urge anyone who is concerned about the meaning to refer back to the original text.

The evidence we have at present strongly supports the proposition that there are hereditary factors in male homosexuality — the observation that an identical twin of a male homosexual has approximately a 20% likelihood of also being gay points to this conclusion, since that is 10 times the population incidence. But the fact that the answer is not 100% also suggests that other factors besides DNA must be involved. That certainly doesn’t imply, however, that those other undefined factors are inherently alterable.

Your note indicated that your real interest is in the truth. And this is about all that we really know. No one has yet identified an actual gene that contributes to the hereditary component (the reports about a gene on the X chromosome from the 1990s have not held up), but it is likely that such genes will be found in the next few years.

So, Dr Collins himself does not endorse or support the conclusions made arbitrarily at NARTH referring to his studies.

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TheosCentric -> RE: Homosexuality Article (11/19/2008 4:59:50 AM)

All people are born with sin, so, in that sense, a homosexual is born that way, because they have sin. Any one of us could have homosexual desires.

But Paul reminds us that we were once that way in I Cor. 6. but now are in Christ.

Amen to that.

edited to change "homosexuals" to "homosexual desires" I don't think anybody else caught it, but I did. [8D]



stampinlady -> RE: Homosexuality Article (11/19/2008 9:38:47 AM)

Theos, that's a good point. Someone mentioned this in a thread awhile back and I think we forget about that.

Anyone tired of hearing about the pregnant man??????? It's so sad.



Kath -> RE: Homosexuality Article (11/19/2008 10:15:03 AM)

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Anyone tired of hearing about the pregnant man??????? It's so sad.


Yes, I am very tired of it. [>:]



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TheosCentric -> RE: Homosexuality Article (11/19/2008 10:38:29 AM)

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ORIGINAL: stampinlady

Theos, that's a good point. Someone mentioned this in a thread awhile back and I think we forget about that.

Anyone tired of hearing about the pregnant man??????? It's so sad.


As far as I'm concerned, he is still a she and never became a man. I think God would see it the same way since He created her to be female.



rcjames -> RE: Homosexuality Article (11/19/2008 10:40:14 AM)

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ORIGINAL: tomhillbilly

homosexuals have told me they are born that way and combined with my observances i believe them. It doesnt make sense for someone to choose a lifestyle that is going to bring persecution.


Of course they are born that way, born with a sin nature as we all are. Some folks choose the sin of homosexuality, some choose gossip, some chose to steal.

And that is the reason homosexuals need to be reborn (as we all do).

(Joh 3:6) That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

(Joh 3:7) Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

Thanks
RC



stampinlady -> RE: Homosexuality Article (11/19/2008 10:41:33 AM)

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he is still a she


This is exactly what I keep saying. I always wonder what happens when/if they repent one day. What do you do then?



SlipperyWhenWet -> RE: Homosexuality - One Stop Thread (11/19/2008 11:05:06 PM)

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ORIGINAL: singinbeauty
I don't believe that my brother has conciously chosen this lifestyle but this is the natural progression in his life. It is not easy to just turn it off and forget it's there.

I agree with this statement. He wasn't "born homosexual", but it's not likely that he'll wake-up tomorrow and decide to be a heterosexual. We do know that not all homosexuals are doomed to live that lifestyle forever as many have left it.
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ORIGINAL: singinbeauty
You often read things in the bible and say that that ritual or that 'saying' is something that pertains to that time and place. What if (and I am just throwing this out there) that the things against homosexuality were written down by homo-phobes.

Sin has consequences. It's a fact that the homosexual lifestyle is not a healthy one... physically or mentally (Click here for more info).

God is a loving God and has made it clear that homosexuality is a sin. He knows better than we do what the consequences are of that lifestyle and it's in our own best interest to avoid it. I equate the passages in the Bible regarding homosexuality to a huge, yellow, flashing sign above a road that states "DANGER!!! BRIDGE OUT! TURN AROUND!" As obvious and clear as the sign may be, some people will stop and turn around while others will ignore the sign and pay the consequences.



IMA_CHRISTIAN -> RE: Homosexuality - One Stop Thread (11/20/2008 9:56:51 AM)

wait! i gotta tell you what i discovered about the "pregnant man" thats on the news.

HE/SHE PROVES THE FACT THAT no matter how you change your body thru surgery or whatever, and no matter how you deny the sex/gender God made you, no matter how you try to cross over and say "well i was born a girl but i really feel im a boy, so im going to live as a man" THAT PERSON PROVES THAT EVEN THOUGH SHE HAD SURGERY TO BECOME A MAN'S BODY, SHE STILL IS A WOMAN since she is giving birth!

so there.

a lot of people who are homosexual say that they really do not feel like they are the same sex they are born with - so they get a sex change. and now they feel they are the sex they feel in their body.. However, no matter how much you have surgery, you still are the same sex you were born with. No matter who you choose to love, this proves that you are still the same as you were born. so the transgendered people are being FOOLED if they think they should go by "how they feel" about their present condition.



LoyalGypsy -> RE: Homosexuality Article (11/20/2008 9:12:54 PM)

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ORIGINAL: stampinlady

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he is still a she


This is exactly what I keep saying. I always wonder what happens when/if they repent one day. What do you do then?


Jeremiah 6:18-30
18 Therefore hear, ye nations, and know, O congregation, what is among them.
19 Hear, O earth: behold, I will bring evil upon this people, even the fruit of their thoughts, because they have not hearkened unto my words, nor to my law, but rejected it.

20 To what purpose cometh there to me incense from Sheba, and the sweet cane from a far country? your burnt offerings are not acceptable, nor your sacrifices sweet unto me. 2

1 Therefore thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will lay stumblingblocks before this people, and the fathers and the sons together shall fall upon them; the neighbour and his friend shall perish.

22 Thus saith the LORD, Behold, a people cometh from the north country, and a great nation shall be raised from the sides of the earth. 23 They shall lay hold on bow and spear; they are cruel, and have no mercy; their voice roareth like the sea; and they ride upon horses, set in array as men for war against thee, O daughter of Zion. 24 We have heard the fame thereof: our hands wax feeble: anguish hath taken hold of us, and pain, as of a woman in travail. 25 Go not forth into the field, nor walk by the way; for the sword of the enemy and fear is on every side. 26 O daughter of my people, gird thee with sackcloth, and wallow thyself in ashes: make thee mourning, as for an only son, most bitter lamentation: for the spoiler shall suddenly come upon us. 27 I have set thee for a tower and a fortress among my people, that thou mayest know and try their way.

28 They are all grievous revolters, walking with slanders: they are brass and iron; they are all corrupters.
29 The bellows are burned, the lead is consumed of the fire; the founder melteth in vain: for the wicked are not plucked away.
30 Reprobate silver shall men call them, because the LORD hath rejected them.


Romans 1:19-32
19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. 20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:


21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.


24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: 25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections:

for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. 28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;


http://www.onenewsnow.com/Perspectives/Default.aspx?id=327508

29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.







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always wonder what happens when/if they repent one day. What do you do then?


I don't think based on the scriptures that once God gives them over to a reprobate mind, >>means that God is not drawing them to Christ... >>>I think there is nothing that can be done at that point.

EX 32:31 Then Moses returned to the Lord and said, "Oh, these people have committed a great sin, and have made for themselves a god of gold! 32 Yet now, if You will forgive their sin--but if not, I pray, blot me out of Your book which You have written."

33 And the Lord said to Moses, "Whoever has sinned against Me, I will blot him out of "My book".

34 Now therefore, go, lead the people to the place of which I have spoken to you. ....Behold, ...My Angel shall go before you. ...........Nevertheless, in the day when I visit for punishment, "I will"... visit punishment upon them for their sin."

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LG



Lycea -> RE: Homosexuality Article (12/1/2008 1:19:44 PM)

Hey, sin is sin.
Homosexual behavior is just another sin. It is no better or worse than other sins (including the ones in your life and mine). It has the same cure, and people are not going to find that cure because Christians got together in their holier than thou club to agree together that homosexuality is the worst sin ever.
Why are we making it special and choosing to attack the people involved in that sin? Do we have a "let's bash alcoholics" thread? Or what about a "everybody tell us how terrible it is to kill children in sacrifice to foreign gods" thread?
Why not stop ranting and raving and actually spend time getting to know some people trapped in homosexual lifestyles and show them Jesus?



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