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RE: The Rules at "Ex-Gay" Ministries - 8/18/2005 7:11:36 AM
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here's some lovely logic!
God makes no mistakes
God tells us thas not making out with your childless widowed sister in law is a sin worthy of death.
Therefor, the people who refuse to do so are being manipulated by satan.
God makes no mistakes
God tells us that he created mankind without the ability to tell good from evil(which was his original design)
Therefor, logic and ethics are against gods will, and are products of satan.
I think a lot of ethicality comes from the environment. And Satan has been working hard to brainwash us into believing ethicality is ok because God makes people that way. Just look at how many television shows have an ethical agenda.
Plus, there are a lot of people who used to be ethical, but saw the truth and are now emotionless. If they were "born ethical" they still would have been able to change, because people can change from their birth. I think people who used to be ethical, but have turned from sin and accepted Jesus as their Saviour should be able to take any part in churches that they wish. After all, everyone is a sinner, and one sin is no worse than another in God's eyes.
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RE: The Rules at "Ex-Gay" Ministries - 8/18/2005 7:43:57 AM
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RE: The Rules at "Ex-Gay" Ministries - 8/18/2005 7:44:14 AM
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RE: The Rules at "Ex-Gay" Ministries - 8/18/2005 7:53:54 PM
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Religion has been justified to argue so many points.
Religion is not at issue here, rather the Word of God and His creation.
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We need tolerance. We need understanding. We need friendship. We need love. We do not need people saying you will go to hell for being homosexual.
We do not need people tolerating sin and people not willing to stand against sin. True friendship and love is the exact opposite, indeed. I agree with your last point.
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The radical and prejudiced religious people who condemn people for such things are the true sinners.
Review your Bible, as you speak of religion and sinners I assume you are familiar with it. Tell us if homosexuality is condemned in the Bible. If no, I will show you otherwise.
God bless you.
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RE: The Rules at "Ex-Gay" Ministries - 8/18/2005 10:17:22 PM
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Religion has been justified to argue so many points.
Religion is not at issue here, rather the Word of God and His creation.
You mean the Word of God according to your religion.
Religion is the issue here.
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RE: The Rules at "Ex-Gay" Ministries - 8/19/2005 10:59:20 AM
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Plus, there are a lot of people who used to be gay, but saw the truth and are now straight. If they were "born gay" they would not be able to change like this. I think people who used to be gay, but have turned from sin and accepted Jesus as their Saviour should be able to take any part in churches that they wish. After all, everyone is a sinner, and one sin is no worse than another in God's eyes.
Stooge
What is your view of the rules I posted earlier in this thread (see post #92) from Ex-Gay ministry Love In Action?
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RE: The Rules at "Ex-Gay" Ministries - 8/19/2005 6:31:17 PM
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You mean the Word of God according to your religion.
Religion is the issue here.
An an issue, but certainly not the only one.
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RE: The Rules at "Ex-Gay" Ministries - 8/19/2005 6:42:35 PM
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You mean the Word of God according to your religion.
Religion is the issue here.
Oh, well if you aren't a Christian, you likely won't see a problem with homosexuality. I accept this.
God bless you
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RE: The Rules at "Ex-Gay" Ministries - 8/21/2005 8:37:51 PM
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Religion has been justified to argue so many points.
Religion is not at issue here, rather the Word of God and His creation.
You mean the Word of God according to your religion.
Religion is the issue here.
And what words do we have today of any other religious leader who walked on water, raised the dead, healed the sick, died for your sins and resurrected other than Jesus Christ? If you want to believe people who have not displayed the powers from God, then be my guest. But you will get exactly from them what the displayed on earth. Mortality and fallibility. 
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RE: The Rules at "Ex-Gay" Ministries - 9/2/2005 9:19:02 PM
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The thread I started about homosexuality was locked on another board, but I just wanted to thank those who replied. I must have got bible verses confused, as you are right; it is out of character for Jesus to say someone should die!
By the way, if you don't mind me saying so, but I note there are a few attempts to squash debate by telling posters not to 'promote' certain ideas. As a great believer of free speech, I think anything should be allowed to be said ... provided they are prepared to be contested. If ideas are suppressed they will never get a chance to be challenged.
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RE: The Rules at "Ex-Gay" Ministries - 9/3/2005 9:50:27 PM
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Religion has been justified to argue so many points.
Religion is not at issue here, rather the Word of God and His creation.
You mean the Word of God according to your religion.
Religion is the issue here.
And what words do we have today of any other religious leader who walked on water, raised the dead, healed the sick, died for your sins and resurrected other than Jesus Christ? If you want to believe people who have not displayed the powers from God, then be my guest. But you will get exactly from them what the displayed on earth. Mortality and fallibility.
Exactly what did Jesus himself say about Homosexuals or Homosexuality?
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RE: Homosexuality - One Stop Thread - 9/5/2005 1:41:14 AM
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Homosexuality...
This is the One Stop thread for all discussion that revolves around the issue of homosexuality.
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So not truly a discussion, is it? This is the type of stance that brings accusations of willful ignorance on the Christian community.
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RE: Homosexuality - One Stop Thread - 9/6/2005 2:38:14 PM
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RE: Homosexuality - One Stop Thread - 9/6/2005 2:58:49 PM
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Exactly what did Jesus himself say about Homosexuals or Homosexuality?
1 Corinthians 6:9-10
Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God
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RE: Homosexuality - One Stop Thread - 9/6/2005 6:20:31 PM
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1 Corinthians 6:9-10
I didnt think that was a quote from Jesus??
although i do acknowledge theres plenty of quotes from the rest of the bible.
just curious... im a little confused on what constitutes the word of jesus entails? is it the whole new testament or only the gospels (sorry if thats off topic? im just confused, maybe this will help me out here)
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RE: Homosexuality - One Stop Thread - 9/6/2005 9:32:15 PM
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Exactly what did Jesus himself say about Homosexuals or Homosexuality?
1 Corinthians 6:9-10
Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God
Those are Paul's words.
The question was exactly what did Jesus himself say about Homosexuals or homosexuality. Paul is not Jesus himself.
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RE: Homosexuality - One Stop Thread - 9/6/2005 11:15:00 PM
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I didnt think that was a quote from Jesus??
although i do acknowledge theres plenty of quotes from the rest of the bible.
just curious... im a little confused on what constitutes the word of jesus entails? is it the whole new testament or only the gospels (sorry if thats off topic? im just confused, maybe this will help me out here)
The Bible is God breathed, all the words are Jesus words.
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RE: Homosexuality - One Stop Thread - 9/6/2005 11:18:21 PM
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Those are Paul's words.
The question was exactly what did Jesus himself say about Homosexuals or homosexuality. Paul is not Jesus himself.
Paul wrote Scripture. Scripture is the Word of God. Jesus is God.
You can deny any or all of these, but in doing so you admit that none of the words written in the Bible can be said to be the actual words of Christ, since the only words we have of Christ were written by others.
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RE: The Rules at "Ex-Gay" Ministries - 9/6/2005 11:27:53 PM
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Exactly what did Jesus himself say about Homosexuals or Homosexuality?
Matthew 19:5-6 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? [6] Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
Sexual contact is forbidden outside the context of marriage. Marriage is defined as being between one man and one woman. In the above scripture Christ affirms this. Now, since nowhere in scripture is a marriage between two people of the same sex blessed, allowed, or in any other way accepted, we know that a homosexual commits sin in two ways:
1. Sex outside marriage
2. Sexual practice that is between people pf the same sex
If Christ has meant for the prohibition of homosexuality to have been lifted He could have said so at any time, but He did not - he reaffirmed God's (and His own) idea of marriage.
Hope this answers your question.
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RE: Homosexuality - One Stop Thread - 9/7/2005 4:29:42 AM
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Those are Paul's words.
Thanks for clearing that up :)
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RE: The Rules at "Ex-Gay" Ministries - 9/7/2005 8:34:23 PM
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Religion has been justified to argue so many points.
Religion is not at issue here, rather the Word of God and His creation.
You mean the Word of God according to your religion.
Religion is the issue here.
And what words do we have today of any other religious leader who walked on water, raised the dead, healed the sick, died for your sins and resurrected other than Jesus Christ? If you want to believe people who have not displayed the powers from God, then be my guest. But you will get exactly from them what the displayed on earth. Mortality and fallibility.
Exactly what did Jesus himself say about Homosexuals or Homosexuality?
Jesus did not come to tell us to indulge in the desires of the flesh. We have the devil for that. If Jesus advocated unmarried sex between any two adults, he would have said so. He told us to be "in the world but not of the world." He also tells us that a man and woman were created to leave their mother and father and become one flesh. What part of that do you not understand?
And to put words in Christ's mouth that contradict the rest of the bible is playing God yourself.
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RE: Homosexuality - One Stop Thread - 9/7/2005 9:04:42 PM
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All I know is that the Bible says it is wrong.
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RE: The Rules at "Ex-Gay" Ministries - 9/9/2005 11:35:53 PM
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Religion has been justified to argue so many points.
Religion is not at issue here, rather the Word of God and His creation.
You mean the Word of God according to your religion.
Religion is the issue here.
And what words do we have today of any other religious leader who walked on water, raised the dead, healed the sick, died for your sins and resurrected other than Jesus Christ? If you want to believe people who have not displayed the powers from God, then be my guest. But you will get exactly from them what the displayed on earth. Mortality and fallibility.
Exactly what did Jesus himself say about Homosexuals or Homosexuality?
Jesus did not come to tell us to indulge in the desires of the flesh. We have the devil for that. If Jesus advocated unmarried sex between any two adults, he would have said so. He told us to be "in the world but not of the world." He also tells us that a man and woman were created to leave their mother and father and become one flesh. What part of that do you not understand?
And to put words in Christ's mouth that contradict the rest of the bible is playing God yourself.
Just a minute. I'm not suggesting Christ came to tell us to indulge in anything. You are the one who said: "And what words do we have today of any other religious leader who walked on water, raised the dead, healed the sick, died for your sins and resurrected other than Jesus Christ?"
Jesus spoke no words one way or the other regarding homosexuals or homosexuality.
You are the one putting words into Jesus' mouth, not me!
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RE: The Rules at "Ex-Gay" Ministries - 9/27/2005 2:37:42 PM
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I was curious, with all the controversy regarding gay marriage. Christians believe that marriage should be 1 man, 1 woman. What if 2 hermaphrodites want to get married? How should that be looked at? Is it ok?
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RE: Homosexuality Is Of God ? - 10/29/2005 1:57:01 PM
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Homosexuality is not a new lifestyle that sprang up on modern times. It has its roots since the beginning of human civilization. The first book of the Holy Bible itself mentions about two great cities full of people who practiced homosexuality. Later in the second part of the Bible [Romans;1;19-32]It is explained why people are turned into homosexuals. This part states that homosexuality is a situation in which some people are fallen into as a result of not obeying God.The Bible says,” though they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God or show gratitude.” Instead “they exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man, birds, animals, and reptiles. Therefore God delivered them over in the cravings of their hearts to sexual impurity, so that their bodies were degraded among themselvesRomans;1:19-34.From this it becomes clear that homosexuality is not something biological or natural as some think but it is a curse from God that comes upon Godless people and their descendants .At the core homosexuality is of spiritual in nature.
Like all other abominable sins –idolatry, adultery, murder and so on homosexuality is contrary to God’s law.In the past there was no remedy for this sin.Only wrath and destruction followed.God rained fire and brimstone from heavin and destroyed the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah which practiced homosexuality. [See Genesis;19]But now there is hope because God is merciful and it is a time of jGod’s favor toward the mankind..He sent his Son as the Savior of the world to save sinners.The Bible says, “The wages of sin is death.”God loves sinners but hates sin.Lord Jesus said,” I did not come to call the righteous but sinners to repentance.”Luke;5:32 If anyone turns to him and repent God is willing to forgive and able to change that person inside out. ”If the Son sets you free you are free indeed.”John;8:36.
Homosexuality is not something that God approves. It is not a life style that sprang up in the modern times. It was there from the beginning. In the first book of the Bible itself we read about two cities which people practiced homosexuality. Later God sent judgment and destroyed those two cities.Later in the New Testament it is explained why people are turned into homosexuals. It says that homosexuality is a situation people are fallen into as a result of not obeying God.It says ,“although they knew God they neither glorified him as God nor gave him thanks to him” instead they changed the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like birds animals and reptiles and so on. Worshiping them.Therefore God also gave them over to shameful lusts”[Romans;1:19-32]From this it becomes clear that homosexuality is not something biological or natural as many think but it is spiritual at the core.It is a curse from God that comes on people and their descendants for not glorifying God.In the past only wrath and destruction followed for this depravity. But now it is a time of God’s favor so he is willing to forgive.God loves sinners and hates sin.Jesus said,”I did not come to call the righteous but sinners to repentance.”Luke;5:32 and He said, ,” The Son of Man has come to seek and to save that which was lost." Luke;19:10. ” Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be free indeed.” John;8:36 .Those who come to God through Jesus Christ he is able save and to change inside out.
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