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CherishedbyGod -> RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? (2/23/2008 12:49:02 PM)

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Does carrying out His works include denying newborns medical care if they accidentally survive abortion? B. Hussein tried to block his state's version of the Born Alive Infant Protection Act.



So totally unlike Jesus[:@] Jesus is always for the most vulnerable, the most helpless of society. That alone would send me running so fast from B. Hussein[:@]

~By their fruit ye shall know them~ Not their oratory skills.



lightshineon -> RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? (2/23/2008 8:27:32 PM)

Hey sister do not let some of these people get you down. Yhe question was is BO a Christian four people including an African American say that they feel uneasy aboutr this man, and his beliefs, The Bible has been quoted about what a Christain is, a true believer, they deny that. It is like talking to the wall. Not only do We have the Spirits promptings, I can back it up by the word, and by his churches website, and by his votig record. It all goes togather. I guess when it comes down too it, if God wants a pagan ruler than it will be. He has used them for his reasons before in the word. I think though we are all believers, and should love one another above all things. That is what unbelievers will be able to tell we belong to him.
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ORIGINAL: ljmac

Does carrying out His works include denying newborns medical care if they accidentally survive abortion? B. Hussein tried to block his state's version of the Born Alive Infant Protection Act.



So totally unlike Jesus[:@] Jesus is always for the most vulnerable, the most helpless of society. That alone would send me running so fast from B. Hussein[:@]

~By their fruit ye shall know them~ Not their oratory skills.



trustyrusty_77 -> RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? (3/5/2008 11:17:49 PM)

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As far as Obama being a Christian... he say's he is but he worries me because we know how a man's life is formed by his experiences as a small child and Obama spent two years, as a small child, in a Wahabi school. AS you may know, wahabism is the most radical from of islam. I am NOT saying that he is a muslim, I am saying that he must surely have some sort of personal psychological tie to them because of his childhood experiences. It really distresses me that so many people support him because of the way he looks and speaks. They talk about hope and change but when asked cannot articulate what they mean by hope and change... they just say... change. It's sad.

J



A Wahabi school trumps the power of the Holy Spirit? Wow...
How does Wahabi training compare to the training that the apostle Paul must have had that led him to treat Christians the way that he did? Any idea why Paul stopped persecuting Christians?
But more importantly, I wonder if John McCain is a Christian? No, I don't wonder. He, like me, has professed his faith in Jesus as his Savior. And that, for me, is enough welcome Him into the family of believers. I'm not the decider - Jesus is.

I thank God that I'm not judged on my actions before accepting Him. Heck, last I read in Romans, works weren't going to get me into heaven either. It's faith in Christ as your savior and repentance of sin that makes a person a Christian. Not race, not where you went to school, not what your mother wishes you'd believe, but simple faith in Christ. In Sen. Obama says he is a Christian, then I accept him as my brother in Christ.

I'm probably not going to vote for him for president, but I'll rejoice when we meet in heaven. My prayer is that Osama Bin Laden will be up there with us.


I did not say that he is not a Christian. I said that he say's that he is a Christian. I also said that he went to a Muslim school. All of that is true. You read more into it than I said.
For us not to look at who a person was or to consider who a person might be, when this person want's to be the leader of the free world we are remiss in our duties. We are not judging someone's faith... we are electing a leader.
The Christian/non-Christian part does not bother me. The leftist politics do bother me.

Most politicians, it seem's to me, are very flawed people... Christian or not so when it come's to one wanting my vote I consider everything. When it come's to one sitting in the pew with me they are then just my brother... there is a difference.


J


BARACK OBAMA DID NOT GO TO A MUSLIM SCHOOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He went to a PUBLIC SCHOOL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This public school just happened to be in a country with a dense Muslim population. That doesnt make the school he went to any more Muslim than going to a public school in the US makes a person xtian. It's good that you take the time to try and make a salient point based upon a lack of factual data that ANY person can find with about 5 minutes of research. Your pensive reflection on the qualities of the 'leader of the free world' are appreciated - whereas your lack of definitive information isnt.

Its appalling that Xtians will take the 'word' of John McCain and W. Bush because they 'say' they prayed their prayer and blah blah blah and look so closely at any supposed inconsistencies in Obama bc hes a Democrat but overlook so many others in Republicans. Obama supports abortion which makes him a mortal enemy of the Religious right and Bush is so anti abortion that he dumped 1.3 trillion dollars on a bogus war instead of using some of that money to do something about the grave sin of murdering babies.

Facts as you previously stated elucidate that Obama supports poor and disadvantaged people - sounds a lot like this Jesus you Xtians speak of to me. In fact, it seems that JEsus spoke a lot more about helping the poor than about the dangers of abortion and gays etc. In fact, when was the last time you helped a poor person?



Jhud -> RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? (3/5/2008 11:38:56 PM)

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BARACK OBAMA DID NOT GO TO A MUSLIM SCHOOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He went to a PUBLIC SCHOOL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This public school just happened to be in a country with a dense Muslim population. That doesnt make the school he went to any more Muslim than going to a public school in the US makes a person xtian. It's good that you take the time to try and make a salient point based upon a lack of factual data that ANY person can find with about 5 minutes of research. Your pensive reflection on the qualities of the 'leader of the free world' are appreciated - whereas your lack of definitive information isnt.

Its appalling that Xtians will take the 'word' of John McCain and W. Bush because they 'say' they prayed their prayer and blah blah blah and look so closely at any supposed inconsistencies in Obama bc hes a Democrat but overlook so many others in Republicans. Obama supports abortion which makes him a mortal enemy of the Religious right and Bush is so anti abortion that he dumped 1.3 trillion dollars on a bogus war instead of using some of that money to do something about the grave sin of murdering babies.

Facts as you previously stated elucidate that Obama supports poor and disadvantaged people - sounds a lot like this Jesus you Xtians speak of to me. In fact, it seems that JEsus spoke a lot more about helping the poor than about the dangers of abortion and gays etc. In fact, when was the last time you helped a poor person?


While I agree that a lot of misinformation has been put out about Obama, I don't think McCain has ever claimed to have 'prayed a prayer' making him a Christian, which would mean you are just as guilty of spreading misinformation.

And while one could debate the relative merits of the war, I don't think abortion will be solved by spending a particular amount of money (indeed, if you know of an amount that will stop abortion, let me know, I would gladly support such an expenditure) .

And we should never confuse compassion for the poor which all believers should have, with bureaucratic programs for the poor, which have very little to do with loving the poor.



CherishedbyGod -> RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? (3/6/2008 12:07:00 AM)

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In fact, when was the last time you helped a poor person?


About a week ago[8D]



RichLP -> RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? (3/6/2008 1:30:43 AM)

Barak Obama has a church home, doesn't he? Trinity United Church of Christ, which is part of the United Church of Christ.

So Obama is a Christian.

So what's the problem?

And just a question or two, folks. Some of you are calling him "B. Hussein."

Do you guys know what "Hussein" means?

And did you guys know that the word "Barak" appears in the Old Testament several times and that it means "blessing?"



RichLP -> RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? (3/6/2008 1:38:41 AM)

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So the question is the church he attends balanced? No.


And how do you know? Have you attended any of its services? Have you spoken to or have personal knowledge of its pastors and staff? Have you even listened to at least one of their sermons?

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This African obsession at his church is not healthuy either. We are God's Rainbow, we have to leave ethnic causes back for the sake of Christanity, We are one. Does not mean we have to leave our heratige behind, but it shadows in the unity of the body.


I see what you're saying here, but IMO African-Americans often flock to each other within what I will call "black churches" because like it or not there is "cultural baggage." Just as there are churches that are "Hispanic," "Chinese," and even "Indian." Do these churches preach the risen Christ, stress the Bible as God's holy and inerrant Word, and teach the Great Commandment and Great Commission? Sure. But why the ethnic emphasis, then?

A number of factors, such as immigrant communities, but it comes down to being able to relate to each other. Yes, the Bible says "there is neither Jew nor Greek..." and yes, spiritually we are to be united. But we're human and like it or not, we humans are also Americans, Japanese, Spaniards, Bolivians, Russians, Slovakians, South Africans, New Zealanders, etc. You yourself said - heritage does not need to be left behind.



CherishedbyGod -> RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? (3/6/2008 11:17:16 PM)

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Barak Obama has a church home, doesn't he? Trinity United Church of Christ, which is part of the United Church of Christ.

So Obama is a Christian.

So what's the problem?
End quote, Rich, LP


The problem is..there is absolutely no way, a person going to a church make them a Christian!

That is the problem and the outright deception, Rich!

A Christian = Christlike...not advocating the slaughter of millions of innocents which Obama has done. This man is not a Christian.

He is an outright deciever!!!! by their fruits you will know them...not by their advocacy of the slaughter of millions of innocent blood. That is the opposite of Jesus Christ of Nazareth!!! Not a Christian, Rich!!!

bold print = Cherished by God



jkdjr25 -> RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? (3/7/2008 12:41:38 AM)

If Barack Obama believes in the saving grace of Jesus Christ and has asked Him to be his Lord and Saviour, then yes he is a Christian. He says that he made that choice. If he didn't then the only person he's hurting is himself. So for now I'll take his statement as being true.



CherishedbyGod -> RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? (3/7/2008 12:46:04 AM)

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If Barack Obama believes in the saving grace of Jesus Christ and has asked Him to be his Lord and Saviour, then yes he is a Christian. He says that he made that choice. If he didn't then the only person he's hurting is himself. So for now I'll take his statement as being true.


~By their fruits you shall know them...not my what they say~ He is a murderer of the unborn...............so unlike Jesus!



jkdjr25 -> RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? (3/7/2008 1:03:46 AM)

Whether or not a person is for or against abortion isn't the only measuring stick by which we should say they are, or aren't, a Christian.

How did he make his neighborhood a better place? What has he done to help the less fortunate, the homeless and the destitute? How does he treat people on a day to day basis?

All these and more are part of being a Christian. Everyone is at a different place in their walk and he may not have reached the point in his where God moved on his heart about the abortion issue. I can't say one way or the other if he is or is not a Christian and I wouldn't want the job, because to be honest, none of us deserve the name Christian.



Closie -> RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? (3/7/2008 9:13:37 AM)

This week at work, I forgot to turn in some paperwork. When called about it, I lied and said I never got it. Lying is so unlike Jesus. Does that lie mean I'm not a Christian?



saved9201 -> RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? (3/7/2008 9:23:52 AM)

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If Barack Obama believes in the saving grace of Jesus Christ and has asked Him to be his Lord and Saviour, then yes he is a Christian. He says that he made that choice. If he didn't then the only person he's hurting is himself. So for now I'll take his statement as being true.


~By their fruits you shall know them...not my what they say~ He is a murderer of the unborn...............so unlike Jesus!


Therefore, you're accusing roughly half of American voters, democrats, of being "murderers of the unborn". Moreover, you're questioning their professed faith if these democrats claim to be believers. As far as you're concerned, ALL democrats are unsaved, baby murderers, no matter "what they say." Case closed. The defense rests. No need to provide any other evidence. Democrat=baby murderer=unsaved.

I'll be honest with you. I'm getting sick and tired of Christians distorting this aboriton issue by accusing people of being baby murderers and questioning their salvation just because they're democrats. In some places, you accuse someone of being a murderer without proof, you can be sued for slander, thats a very serious charge. I understand some of you feel very strongly about the abortion issue and want to do all you can to see that Roe v. Wade is overturned. However accusing someone of being a murderer and not being saved just because they don't share your passion is both a lie and wrong.

Saying someone is ignorant and misinformed because they don't agree with you is one thing. But I believe it's going way over the top to accuse someone of murder and to question their salvation based on how they stand on one issue.

I KNOW that if I even slightly hint that what someone said could be conscrued as having racist undertones, I'll get chased off this board. But just callously call someone a baby murderer, that's apparently okay.

That's one problem with a lot of Christian "debate" forums. A lot of Christians don't like debate and should stay out. They try to end any debate with, "If you don't agree with me, you're obviously not saved." Not only that, in this case, you also are a murderer.

But I'm not naive enough to think that some of you will stop this nonsense. I fully expect another diatribe about the gadzillions of precious little innocents who are slaughtered at the hands of the evil wicked democrats (Bill Clinton himself personally murdered about a billion), and if you vote for them, the blood of each and every one of those babies will be on your hands. Your goal, obviously, is to try to intimidate, scare and manipulate young less mature believers into thinkng their salvation hinges on how they vote in an American election so your man will win. That they are not only un-Christian, but they are also criminals, killers of babies if they don't help elect your guy. You think all democrats should be tried and executed for murder too? If you read your bible you'll find that abortion isn't the only thing Jesus disapproves of. And being against aborition isn't the only fruit of the spirit (see Galatians 5).

You claim that Obama's fruits aren't consistent with him being a Christian. Well, in my humble opinion, neither are yours.

Just venting.

- Julius



staticspark1947 -> RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? (3/10/2008 1:57:43 AM)

The way I see it is that he is running for President of USA not the National Priest/Bishop/leader of anyone's particular religion. There is no one who has an all encompassing Christian Doctrine. John F. Kennedy was a Catholic which goes against many "born again" points of view. There will never be a "one religion fits all," President".



ken1906_4 -> RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? (3/10/2008 8:07:48 AM)

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If Barack Obama believes in the saving grace of Jesus Christ and has asked Him to be his Lord and Saviour, then yes he is a Christian. He says that he made that choice. If he didn't then the only person he's hurting is himself. So for now I'll take his statement as being true.


~By their fruits you shall know them...not my what they say~ He is a murderer of the unborn...............so unlike Jesus!


That’s a bad and almost offensive argument. There are a number of things we do, we support and many of the political officials (dem and repub) we put in office support that is unlike Yeshua (Jesus). Liars, thieves, adulterers, warmongers are the characteristics of those who currently running this country, but yet we put them in office. Is that Christian of us? See with this abortion issue we are giving sins levels of precedence. To God that does not matter. WE justify our own sin to suit our ideology and lifestyle, but then have the nerve to question someone’s walk by the sins they commit. Is Obama a Christian? That’s not my call or yours or anyone else in here. I just hate how this system here in America has twisted and literally pimped the Christian faith to suit their needs and keep them in power. This is unlike Yeshua (Jesus) also.



ken1906_4 -> RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? (3/10/2008 8:50:27 AM)

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Your goal, obviously, is to try to intimidate, scare and manipulate young less mature believers into thinkng their salvation hinges on how they vote in an American election so your man will win. That they are not only un-Christian, but they are also criminals, killers of babies if they don't help elect your guy. You think all democrats should be tried and executed for murder too? If you read your bible you'll find that abortion isn't the only thing Jesus disapproves of. And being against aborition isn't the only fruit of the spirit (see Galatians 5).


I know you are venting and I apologize if we are getting away from the topic, but I agree with you. This is the situation I faced the 1st election I voted in after giving my life to Christ. I was only saved for about 3 years and this was the rubbish I had to deal with for most of 2004. I ended up falling for it mostly because I was scared and immature in my walk to even no better. At that time I was still a democrat and was told because of my party affiliation, I was supporting sinful behavior. I eventually learned there is sinful behavior on both sides of that aisle. So now I'm independent because the right is just as (if not more) sinful as the left. Yes I admit I got duped in voting for "you know who" because of the abortion issue. Abortion is still going on, the country is still on its downward spiral and we are probably in more of a worst situation than we were before.



lightshineon -> RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? (3/10/2008 10:05:38 AM)

Well the question was ask, offensive or not. I cannot judge his heart, or can I? He puts himself, on a God-like throne. He goes to a church that is racist, he pro-abortion, pro-gay. He may be saved, but his values do not match what I consider Christian values. I am not judging his soul though that is for the Father and the Son. Pray for him, that he will see the wrong in these beliefs, if in fact, you disagree with these views. BTW the current admistration vetoed many abortion crimes. That may not be an important issue to you, but I will not be intimadated into voting for it. How do you in your mind think it is ok for a babies head to be delivered, a hole placed at the base of the skull, and brains being sucked out, not even killing the baby first. Gay marriage? What society is going to stand under this sort of thing. Do you want your kid to be gay? I have a DD in JR. High, her friends, peers, are overwhelmingly gay- bi-sexual. It is overwhelming and accepted. When we vote for a canidate that considers these values ok, for our children we are giving the stamp of approval to have abortions, live a gay lifestyle. LIke it or not children accept what we do, and what we agree with. A vote for these things say's yes I approve.BTW, my life finacially has never been better, even if not, people matter more than things. I also want to know what your definition of poor is? In third world countries, our poorest people would be considered rich. There are so many programs, I being upper middle, through hard work can not get. My Two DD's in college only qualify for loans, not enough for books. My oldest is in the marching band, and gets 500.00 a semester. I have to pay for books and they work two jobs also. My friends who work here and there, have a bigger tax return. Jesus said the poor would always be among us. Some due to curcumstances, some are lazy, and will not work. I babysit for a girl for free, she goes to school cannot afford a sitter. If we are so concerned about the poor, do something yourself, The goverment is not the way. Justification of these lifestyle choices mentioned above does not fly, no matter what spin, or coverup people try and fake. I will nor be intimadated as ignorant, because when I stand for something, I stand firm. I know some will be overwhelmingly rude to me, I am use to it, so do not worry it does not bother me.



Leon_Figg3 -> RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? (3/10/2008 10:13:15 AM)

What is it with this litmus test about whether or not a candidate is Christian?

Judging whether or not someone running for an elected office, much less the presidency, is not in our job titlle. That is between him and Him. We need to be more concerned as to whether or not his views, his proposals, his thinking is what is in the best interest of all of us.

I will say the same thing about Mc Cain, though I have taken a different tact in that thread.

I like Obama. I think he is an interesting individual who may be full of a number of surprises for everyone if and when he is elected (like JFK). I have more trouble with the people who apparently have been very involved in propelling him to where he is today.



ken1906_4 -> RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? (3/10/2008 10:18:56 AM)

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Well the question was ask, offensive or not. I cannot judge his heart, or can I? He puts himself, on a God-like throne. He goes to a church that is racist, he pro-abortion, pro-gay. He may be saved, but his values do not match what I consider Christian values. I am not judging his soul though that is for the Father and the Son. Pray for him, that he will see the wrong in these beliefs, if in fact, you disagree with these views.


You do know you contradicted yourself in your post, right? You are not judging him, but then you said he puts himself on a God-like throne. When did he do this? Then you said his church is racist because they are pro community. That sounds like a judgment to me. So are we going to leave the judging to God or are we going to fall into carnality and judge him ourselves?

Yes, I disagree with SOME of his views with abortion being one of them, but you don't see me here on Crosswalk being his jury and judge on if he's saved or not. I bet you probably be a little salty too if you Christian values came into question. If you have been on CW long enough it probably has. Doesn't feel too good does it? So why continue to judge if this man a Christian or not?



buckifn -> RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? (3/10/2008 10:24:53 AM)

We shall know them by their fruits is the Biblical answer. If he supports the gay agenda what does that tell you?



lightshineon -> RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? (3/10/2008 10:28:02 AM)

Ken, I said I cannot judge his soul. I am judging the actions of what I consider sin. I am sure I am not perfect, but, I know what is right and wrong, and try to do right. His pastor, I saw an interview with last night from a year or two ago. He does not like white people. He maybe heaven bound as I am< Bo that is. I am saying these things are important enough to me, that I do not, will not vote for him or Hillary, and McCain is doubtful. I hate the "Hope" thing, It is putting oneself on a throne according to the word. BTW Ken, it does not feel bad that you compare me to someone that needs a savior. We all do, I just do the best I can to do the right thing not hiding myself from sin. I know I need Jesus and his Spirit.
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Well the question was ask, offensive or not. I cannot judge his heart, or can I? He puts himself, on a God-like throne. He goes to a church that is racist, he pro-abortion, pro-gay. He may be saved, but his values do not match what I consider Christian values. I am not judging his soul though that is for the Father and the Son. Pray for him, that he will see the wrong in these beliefs, if in fact, you disagree with these views.


You do know you contradicted yourself in your post, right? You are not judging him, but then you said he puts himself on a God-like throne. When did he do this? Then you said his church is racist because they are pro community. That sounds like a judgment to me. So are we going to leave the judging to God or are we going to fall into carnality and judge him ourselves?

Yes, I disagree with SOME of his views with abortion being one of them, but you don't see me here on Crosswalk being his jury and judge on if he's saved or not. I bet you probably be a little salty too if you Christian values came into question. If you have been on CW long enough it probably has. Doesn't feel too good does it? So why continue to judge if this man a Christian or not?



staticspark1947 -> RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? (3/10/2008 10:30:24 AM)

George W. Bush is a "Christian" , he has blood on his hands by sending our troops to be slaughtered in this Iraq war. How holy was his thinking?



lightshineon -> RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? (3/10/2008 10:32:30 AM)

Well nearly every president andKing in the Bible through the ages, and even God himself, if that is what you consider sin. War happens and always will, with Gods approval, as you will note in the BIble. The people in the military were not forced anyway, what did they sign up for. My husband an ex-military officer, was trained to fight, he has no problem. That was his job.
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George W. Bush is a "Christian" , he has blood on his hands by sending our troops to be slaughtered in this Iraq war. How holy was his thinking?



ken1906_4 -> RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? (3/10/2008 11:02:52 AM)

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Ken, I said I cannot judge his soul. I am judging the actions of what I consider sin. I am sure I am not perfect, but, I know what is right and wrong, and try to do right. His pastor, I saw an interview with last night from a year or two ago. He does not like white people. He maybe heaven bound as I am< Bo that is. I am saying these things are important enough to me, that I do not, will not vote for him or Hillary, and McCain is doubtful. I hate the "Hope" thing, It is putting oneself on a throne according to the word. BTW Ken, it does not feel bad that you compare me to someone that needs a savior. We all do, I just do the best I can to do the right thing not hiding myself from sin. I know I need Jesus and his Spirit.




We all do, that’s the point I’m trying to get to. There is some error in his ways, but by no means should we condemn him. That’s not our place. It’s just like I said earlier in this thread about people questioning my walk with Christ when I was democrat. At the time with me being young in my walk I did not know my party affiliation=if one is a Christian or not. I fell under the pressure in getting accused of being un-Christian and that my salvation status was null and void. This is not what being a Christian is suppose to be like, being afraid of getting accused by man on rather you have a relationship with God or not.



lightshineon -> RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? (3/10/2008 12:01:17 PM)

Ken, I am not condeming him, these actions I am. I will seperate the person and the action. My Dad and Mom are Democrats, and in-laws. My pastor supports BO. Do I say they are not Christians no. I do no understand how they sqaure their choices though. I still believe they love God. I can judge no mans soul. I wish Bo did stand for these things of rightouness. BTW my mom and dad do not believe in abortion, but are democrat Christians. My pastor, democrat does not support abortion, I do not know about inlaws, but they are Christians. The thing about Bo is he goes out of his way to support these things, that is what bothers me. Not Democrats as a whole, they have to make sure, as I do thier check is good with God, just as I do. Can you see my thought. Democrats can be Christians, but when a democrat canidate goes of his his way to support views that are sinful that is a problem with me. I also have personally a problem with telling my children abortion, gay lifestyle, things are wrong, but voting for a canidate that suports these things. It IMHO, makes them think right is wrong, and wrong is right. That is just my view, I think you are a Christian, and have had much respect for your views in earlier threads, and told you so. I am not being double-minded, just saying I know you are not supporting the views you consider sinful, BO is. am having a hardtime expressing myself this morning. sorry, been a bad morning.
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Ken, I said I cannot judge his soul. I am judging the actions of what I consider sin. I am sure I am not perfect, but, I know what is right and wrong, and try to do right. His pastor, I saw an interview with last night from a year or two ago. He does not like white people. He maybe heaven bound as I am< Bo that is. I am saying these things are important enough to me, that I do not, will not vote for him or Hillary, and McCain is doubtful. I hate the "Hope" thing, It is putting oneself on a throne according to the word. BTW Ken, it does not feel bad that you compare me to someone that needs a savior. We all do, I just do the best I can to do the right thing not hiding myself from sin. I know I need Jesus and his Spirit.




We all do, that’s the point I’m trying to get to. There is some error in his ways, but by no means should we condemn him. That’s not our place. It’s just like I said earlier in this thread about people questioning my walk with Christ when I was democrat. At the time with me being young in my walk I did not know my party affiliation=if one is a Christian or not. I fell under the pressure in getting accused of being un-Christian and that my salvation status was null and void. This is not what being a Christian is suppose to be like, being afraid of getting accused by man on rather you have a relationship with God or not.



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