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RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? - 3/10/2008 6:43:11 PM
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Your goal, obviously, is to try to intimidate, scare and manipulate young less mature believers into thinkng their salvation hinges on how they vote in an American election so your man will win. That they are not only un-Christian, but they are also criminals, killers of babies if they don't help elect your guy. You think all democrats should be tried and executed for murder too? If you read your bible you'll find that abortion isn't the only thing Jesus disapproves of. And being against aborition isn't the only fruit of the spirit (see Galatians 5).
I know you are venting and I apologize if we are getting away from the topic, but I agree with you. This is the situation I faced the 1st election I voted in after giving my life to Christ. I was only saved for about 3 years and this was the rubbish I had to deal with for most of 2004. I ended up falling for it mostly because I was scared and immature in my walk to even no better. At that time I was still a democrat and was told because of my party affiliation, I was supporting sinful behavior. I eventually learned there is sinful behavior on both sides of that aisle. So now I'm independent because the right is just as (if not more) sinful as the left. Yes I admit I got duped in voting for "you know who" because of the abortion issue. Abortion is still going on, the country is still on its downward spiral and we are probably in more of a worst situation than we were before.
How sad it is that attempting to save lives is described as being "duped." Do you prefer clear thinking attacks on the innocent?
GWB has likely saved many lives. The Mexico City policy alone has restricted the flow of money used to abort mostly poor black and brown children. Once a Democrat takes office, the money will be restored and HRC or BHO will help kill the unborn with our tax money.
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RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? - 3/10/2008 6:44:33 PM
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George W. Bush is a "Christian" , he has blood on his hands by sending our troops to be slaughtered in this Iraq war. How holy was his thinking?
Our troops are not being slaughtered. Slaughtering is what liberals do to the unborn. Our troops are defeating the enemy.
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RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? - 3/10/2008 8:58:24 PM
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Your goal, obviously, is to try to intimidate, scare and manipulate young less mature believers into thinkng their salvation hinges on how they vote in an American election so your man will win. That they are not only un-Christian, but they are also criminals, killers of babies if they don't help elect your guy. You think all democrats should be tried and executed for murder too? If you read your bible you'll find that abortion isn't the only thing Jesus disapproves of. And being against aborition isn't the only fruit of the spirit (see Galatians 5).
I know you are venting and I apologize if we are getting away from the topic, but I agree with you. This is the situation I faced the 1st election I voted in after giving my life to Christ. I was only saved for about 3 years and this was the rubbish I had to deal with for most of 2004. I ended up falling for it mostly because I was scared and immature in my walk to even no better. At that time I was still a democrat and was told because of my party affiliation, I was supporting sinful behavior. I eventually learned there is sinful behavior on both sides of that aisle. So now I'm independent because the right is just as (if not more) sinful as the left. Yes I admit I got duped in voting for "you know who" because of the abortion issue. Abortion is still going on, the country is still on its downward spiral and we are probably in more of a worst situation than we were before.
How sad it is that attempting to save lives is described as being "duped." Do you prefer clear thinking attacks on the innocent?
GWB has likely saved many lives. The Mexico City policy alone has restricted the flow of money used to abort mostly poor black and brown children. Once a Democrat takes office, the money will be restored and HRC or BHO will help kill the unborn with our tax money.
Give it a rest Mr. One Issue
Like I said in another thread, where do we draw the line and you know what I'm talking about. You come in here with your self-righteous rhetoric, but honestly being against abortion still does not make you a better Christian. Yes, I felt duped. Yes I do. I'm against abortion, but I'm also against the slaughter of all humans. Something that we as a country not only do in the name of democracy so we can be safe and secure, but in the name of Yeshua our Lord and Savior who preached a gospel of love, peace and righteousness. Oh yeah…..my bad……killing our enemies and those who just so happen to be around is ok. Supporting this type of behavior, is that the characteristics of a Christian?
Now I wait for your response and anyone else who feel it's un-Christian to abort, but feel it's very Christian to kill our enemies. It's all the same to me, which is a sin against God. We sit here and judge Obama, Clinton and McCain and if they are Christian or not when we need to be examining ourselves.
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RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? - 3/10/2008 9:38:00 PM
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ken1906_4,
Let me begin by saying I largely agree with you except for your view that there is no difference between abortion and killing people during war. There is a big difference and I believe that the Bible clearly addresses and deals with that difference. Murder is the conscious decision to take another life. Killing someone in self defense, in defense of someone else, or in time of war is not murder, unless you are illegelly told to do so and you obey that order even though the circumstances do not warrant such action.
I am sorry that I do not have the time, right now, to sight the passages that deal with the differences between killing someone out of a personal decision, and killing someone during a time of war.
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RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? - 3/10/2008 11:10:01 PM
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Ken, what I'm about to say I say as a concerned Christian so please don't take this the wrong way.
You are wrong on this issue. While I personally detest violence I understand that it is also, at times, a regretable necessity for a nation. The Bible clearly defines that a nation is allowed to have a standing army because there is a time for war. That's the reality of the world, even the Bible says so (though I forget the chapter the "time for" verses are in).
I say this, not only as a Christian man, but also as the proud son of a veteran. Though my father didn't actually go to war I still honor the service he did for his country. We, as Christians, cannot call our army murderers in good conscience. If God sanctions such things who are we to stand against them?
I also need to point out, again, that abortion is not the only issue. There are very serious issues regarding health care, and other assistance for people who can't otherwise get the help that they need. Republicans are against doing anything beyond telling those who can't afford such things to get another job so they can afford it.
At least Obama is actually talking about doing something about the problem. He's at least looking for a way to help people who can't get the help they need on their own. Between the two positions which is the more Christian I wonder?
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RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? - 3/11/2008 1:44:43 AM
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Your goal, obviously, is to try to intimidate, scare and manipulate young less mature believers into thinkng their salvation hinges on how they vote in an American election so your man will win. That they are not only un-Christian, but they are also criminals, killers of babies if they don't help elect your guy. You think all democrats should be tried and executed for murder too? If you read your bible you'll find that abortion isn't the only thing Jesus disapproves of. And being against aborition isn't the only fruit of the spirit (see Galatians 5).
I know you are venting and I apologize if we are getting away from the topic, but I agree with you. This is the situation I faced the 1st election I voted in after giving my life to Christ. I was only saved for about 3 years and this was the rubbish I had to deal with for most of 2004. I ended up falling for it mostly because I was scared and immature in my walk to even no better. At that time I was still a democrat and was told because of my party affiliation, I was supporting sinful behavior. I eventually learned there is sinful behavior on both sides of that aisle. So now I'm independent because the right is just as (if not more) sinful as the left. Yes I admit I got duped in voting for "you know who" because of the abortion issue. Abortion is still going on, the country is still on its downward spiral and we are probably in more of a worst situation than we were before.
How sad it is that attempting to save lives is described as being "duped." Do you prefer clear thinking attacks on the innocent?
GWB has likely saved many lives. The Mexico City policy alone has restricted the flow of money used to abort mostly poor black and brown children. Once a Democrat takes office, the money will be restored and HRC or BHO will help kill the unborn with our tax money.
Give it a rest Mr. One Issue
Like I said in another thread, where do we draw the line and you know what I'm talking about. You come in here with your self-righteous rhetoric, but honestly being against abortion still does not make you a better Christian. Yes, I felt duped. Yes I do. I'm against abortion, but I'm also against the slaughter of all humans. Something that we as a country not only do in the name of democracy so we can be safe and secure, but in the name of Yeshua our Lord and Savior who preached a gospel of love, peace and righteousness. Oh yeah…..my bad……killing our enemies and those who just so happen to be around is ok. Supporting this type of behavior, is that the characteristics of a Christian?
Now I wait for your response and anyone else who feel it's un-Christian to abort, but feel it's very Christian to kill our enemies. It's all the same to me, which is a sin against God. We sit here and judge Obama, Clinton and McCain and if they are Christian or not when we need to be examining ourselves.
I've written about a lot of topics. Your ignorance of that does not make me "Mr. One Issue."
Does being against drive by shootings make one a better Christian? Does being against axe murders make one a better Christian? Does being against car bombings make one a better Christian? I doubt that if I wrote about those forms of murder that you would respond with derogitory remarks about my character or question the goodness of such opposition. I suspect that such remarks are reserved for those who write about murder in the womb. Perhaps you are not as opposed to abortion as you think.
Our military has repeatedly put itself at great risk in order to protect innocent life. The thanks they get is to be accused of "slaughter," remorseless killiers of "those who just so happen to be around."
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RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? - 3/11/2008 2:27:31 AM
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Ken, what I'm about to say I say as a concerned Christian so please don't take this the wrong way.
You are wrong on this issue. While I personally detest violence I understand that it is also, at times, a regretable necessity for a nation. The Bible clearly defines that a nation is allowed to have a standing army because there is a time for war. That's the reality of the world, even the Bible says so (though I forget the chapter the "time for" verses are in).
I say this, not only as a Christian man, but also as the proud son of a veteran. Though my father didn't actually go to war I still honor the service he did for his country. We, as Christians, cannot call our army murderers in good conscience. If God sanctions such things who are we to stand against them?
I also need to point out, again, that abortion is not the only issue. There are very serious issues regarding health care, and other assistance for people who can't otherwise get the help that they need. Republicans are against doing anything beyond telling those who can't afford such things to get another job so they can afford it.
At least Obama is actually talking about doing something about the problem. He's at least looking for a way to help people who can't get the help they need on their own. Between the two positions which is the more Christian I wonder?
It is not nice to misrepresent people.
- GWB passed the largest government health care program in decades when he signed a prescription drug program for senior citizens. It was his program.
- His tax cut removed millions of low income families and individuals from the federal tax roll.
"Under President Bush's leadership, American development assistance to Africa has more than doubled – part of the largest expansion of development assistance since the Marshall Plan."
"Plans are under way again to double these assistance levels over the next five years to fulfill the United States' G8 commitments...the Bush administration has seen to it that more than two-thirds of that account's (MCA) $5.5 billion is being invested in Africa."
"The Bush administration has suggested numerous other initiatives, such as the Africa Education Initiative, to distribute textbooks, train teachers, provide scholarships; and $15 billion for PEPFAR, the President's Emergency Plan for AIDS Reduction, the largest international health initiative in history to fight a single disease." - Julius Coles, President of Africare
http://allafrica.com/stories/200803100315.html
Barak Obama will send money to Africa to abort poor children. GWB sends money to help them live.
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RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? - 3/11/2008 7:39:43 AM
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Edited to stay on topic:
The point I'm trying to make is that Barack Obama is the one that I believe is being genuine about helping people. He seems very interested in communities coming together to solve problems and helping to do for those who aren't able to do for themselves. That, at its core, is a very Christian principle and I'm glad to see someone who embraces it so fully.
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RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? - 3/11/2008 8:21:42 AM
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I was always taught that God is the only one that knows this. I can't think of any better way of saying it than:
James 4:12 "There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?"
I really don't think anyone here can argue with that!)
Peace and God bless,
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RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? - 3/11/2008 9:07:51 AM
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The point I'm trying to make is that Barack Obama is the one that I believe is being genuine about helping people. He seems very interested in communities coming together to solve problems and helping to do for those who aren't able to do for themselves. That, at its core, is a very Christian principle and I'm glad to see someone who embraces it so fully.
I completely agree with this post.
I support BO, because he seems to match my beliefs (as a Christian) on a lot of the issues that have been brought up.
Abortion: I hate abortion. I don't believe legislation is the answer. And BO has expressed a desire to work to prevent abortion.
War: Sure, there is a time for war, coming from a long line of veterans (at least as far back to the revolutionary war), I have no problem with a just war. However, I do not support the war in Iraq.
Does this make me not a Christian? No. Does it make BO not a Christian? No. And I am not a Democrat, either! I have always been registered as Independent. This is the first time I felt compelled to change my registration so I can vote in the primaries. In fact, I voted for Bush in 2000!
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RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? - 3/11/2008 12:40:14 PM
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We have here are the intellectual ancestors of Christians who tolerated slavery. While acknowledging that it may be wrong, they oppose efforts to stop it and empower those who are devoted to it.
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RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? - 3/11/2008 12:58:51 PM
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We have here are the intellectual ancestors of Christians who tolerated slavery. While acknowledging that it may be wrong, they oppose efforts to stop it and empower those who are devoted to it.
I think that response demands an explanation because I'm not sure who you're directing it at.
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RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? - 3/11/2008 7:05:12 PM
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We have here are the intellectual ancestors of Christians who tolerated slavery. While acknowledging that it may be wrong, they oppose efforts to stop it and empower those who are devoted to it.
I think that response demands an explanation because I'm not sure who you're directing it at.
I concur and would like to know also. 
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RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? - 3/11/2008 10:52:20 PM
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The point I'm trying to make is that Barack Obama is the one that I believe is being genuine about helping people. He seems very interested in communities coming together to solve problems and helping to do for those who aren't able to do for themselves. That, at its core, is a very Christian principle and I'm glad to see someone who embraces it so fully.
I completely agree with this post.
I support BO, because he seems to match my beliefs (as a Christian) on a lot of the issues that have been brought up.
Abortion: I hate abortion. I don't believe legislation is the answer. And BO has expressed a desire to work to prevent abortion.
War: Sure, there is a time for war, coming from a long line of veterans (at least as far back to the revolutionary war), I have no problem with a just war. However, I do not support the war in Iraq.
Does this make me not a Christian? No. Does it make BO not a Christian? No. And I am not a Democrat, either! I have always been registered as Independent. This is the first time I felt compelled to change my registration so I can vote in the primaries. In fact, I voted for Bush in 2000!
Tara P
How is BO going to try to prevent abortion? He wasn't even in support of the Partial Birth Abortion ban (one of the most grusome forms of abortion).
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RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? - 3/11/2008 11:10:39 PM
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The way you work to stop abortion is by working with communities and other groups to promote personal accountability. You stop it by actively working to promote alternative concepts, like absitinene and the like.
Essentially the thing you do is work to change the hearts of the people, calls for the laws to change will follow and it is the only way to affect real and lasting change.
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RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? - 3/12/2008 9:22:27 AM
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How is BO going to try to prevent abortion? He wasn't even in support of the Partial Birth Abortion ban (one of the most grusome forms of abortion).
By educating people about birth control, making bc available, and helping to prevent unwanted pregnancies before they happen, as well as making alternatives (like adoption or keeping the baby) easier.
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RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? - 3/12/2008 6:14:09 PM
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How is BO going to try to prevent abortion? He wasn't even in support of the Partial Birth Abortion ban (one of the most grusome forms of abortion).
By educating people about birth control, making bc available, and helping to prevent unwanted pregnancies before they happen, as well as making alternatives (like adoption or keeping the baby) easier.
Tara P
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We can get in people's faces and call them evil, bloodthirsty baby murderers and condemn them to hell fire if they even think about voting for a democratic candidate - all of whom are licking their wicked chops for the chance to fulfill their lifelong dream, their number one goal: to personally slaughter, mangle, massacre, mutilate, maim, hack and suck the brains out of as many precious little innocents as they can. We can convince them that it doesn't matter that they accepted Christ as their Lord and Savior. It dosen't matter how many they've witnessed to, or how many people they've won to the Lord, how many missionaries they support - none of this matters if they vote for a murderous, savage, ruthless, barbaric, merciless, democrat. But if they repent and vote for a republican, God will smile on them. And when the republicans win, babies all around the world will leap for joy in their mothers wombs knowing they will have escaped the butchers blade.
THAT is the kind of ridiculous rhetoric some people think will end abortion.
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RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? - 3/12/2008 7:20:12 PM
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Julius, that is unfair, do you ever think some that are so against abortion, have maybe had one, and knows the pain forever in the soul?
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RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? - 3/12/2008 7:51:41 PM
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The perception of some seems to be that if you are pro-life, only vote for pro-life candidate, work actively in your church with abstinence programs but you switch to register Democratic because your uncle is running dog catcher on the Dem ticket and you want to support him in the primary, that you suddenly become an abortion advocate because there's now a D beside your name, not an R.
Others seem to think that because abortion is legal, it's somehow mandatory. I'm not going to vote for Obama but I accept that he's Christian and I pray that he will grow in faith to come to understand the God-ordained view on life.
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RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? - 3/12/2008 7:55:21 PM
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Things are not always as they seem closie.
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The perception of some seems to be that if you are pro-life, only vote for pro-life candidate, work actively in your church with abstinence programs but you switch to register Democratic because your uncle is running dog catcher on the Dem ticket and you want to support him in the primary, that you suddenly become an abortion advocate because there's now a D beside your name, not an R.
Others seem to think that because abortion is legal, it's somehow mandatory. I'm not going to vote for Obama but I accept that he's Christian and I pray that he will grow in faith to come to understand the God-ordained view on life.
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RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? - 3/13/2008 2:54:15 AM
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How is BO going to try to prevent abortion? He wasn't even in support of the Partial Birth Abortion ban (one of the most grusome forms of abortion).
By educating people about birth control, making bc available, and helping to prevent unwanted pregnancies before they happen, as well as making alternatives (like adoption or keeping the baby) easier.
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Barak Obama is an extremist among extremists. He want it legal to suck the brains out of babies, but that's standard practice among prominent Democrats.
Here's where he becomes a prince sicko among sickos. Jill Stanek was a nurse in an Illinois hospital where they did abortions. If a child accidentally survived the attempted murder, it was the hospital's practice to deny all medical care to the fully born child. They would sit the baby on a shelf and let her struggle and gasp until death.
Thank God for GWB and Republicans. They passed and signed the Born Alive Infant Protection Act, which requires hospitals to treat babies wished dead by their mother like babies loved by their mother.
Remember, Jill Stanek worked in Illinois, where Obama was a state legislator. Obama tried to kill his state's version of the Born Alive Infant Protection Act. On at least one occassion he voted against it. On at least one other occassion he refused to vote. At no time was he for the legislation.
How sick is a person that they would put a baby on a shelf and leave her there to die? How sick is a doctor who has a bad day at the office when he fails to kill a baby? One thing is certain, this is the business of liberals. Conservatives want nothing to do with it except stop it.
Is it possible to be a Christian and do these things? Is it possible to be a Christian and defend such things? Yes, but in name only.
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RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? - 3/13/2008 7:24:45 AM
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Thank God for GWB and Republicans. They passed and signed the Born Alive Infant Protection Act, which requires hospitals to treat babies wished dead by their mother like babies loved by their mother.
And they refused to place only pro-life judges on the Federal Appeals and Circuit benches from 2000-2006. How many lives would have been saved had they done that? How much closer would a case to end RvW be to the Supreme Court? How many babies would have been saved?
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RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? - 3/13/2008 9:17:38 AM
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But Closie, this has to do with the beliefs of Barack Obama. Passing the buck, does give him absolution from the evil deeds he has done in his part in murder of the pre-born. This is about Barack Obama, nothing anyone else has done gives him a free pass in his actions. No I do not believe he is a Christian, he does not believe Jesus is the only way. He supposedly gave his life to Christ twenty years ago. Time to learn the essentials, the main and plain things of Christian doctrine. My first and second grade SS class knows this Biblical truth. Now, we can pray he gets saved, and knows the truth.
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Thank God for GWB and Republicans. They passed and signed the Born Alive Infant Protection Act, which requires hospitals to treat babies wished dead by their mother like babies loved by their mother.
And they refused to place only pro-life judges on the Federal Appeals and Circuit benches from 2000-2006. How many lives would have been saved had they done that? How much closer would a case to end RvW be to the Supreme Court? How many babies would have been saved?
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RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? - 3/13/2008 9:25:18 AM
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If Obama says that he's Christian, I'm not going to doubt him. OTOH, John McCain says that he's not (confessed that he was not born again). Again I don't doubt him saying that he's not.
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RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? - 3/13/2008 9:37:54 AM
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lightshineon
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We judge by what the word says. Muslim ( nothing to do with Bo) say they believe in Jesus, he was a prophet in thier eyes. Jesus ask he Disciples " Who do you say that I am?", if Barrack does not believe Jesus is the Christ, the only way, who does he say Jesus is? You have to believe in the right Jesus. There is a McCain thread, about him being a Christian. Please let us keep this on BO. Trying to throw the subject on someone else does not make it go away. It is what it is. agreed.
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ORIGINAL: Closie
If Obama says that he's Christian, I'm not going to doubt him. OTOH, John McCain says that he's not (confessed that he was not born again). Again I don't doubt him saying that he's not.
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