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RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? - 3/13/2008 9:41:58 AM
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I'm getting more than a little tired of Christians trying to portray Barack Obama as a Muslim. He says that he is not, he says that he is a Christian and I'm willing to take him at his word. Not one person here knows his heart, only God does.
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RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? - 3/13/2008 10:08:42 AM
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I was using Muslim as an exzample, I made that clear. I am not saying he is a muslim. I do not know his heart, but for Petes sake read what the word says a Christian is, do not take a mans word over God's. Now get it right please, I was using Muslim beliefs as an exzample. I suppose I could have use JWs, or another false belief system, but did not think of it. I thought people could pick up the jest of it. I am not being rude, but, I am getting tired of my words being twisted. Read the word, do not take my word for it. If you do not believe in the right Jesus, you are not saved. Do not be willing to take any man at his word, that is dangerous, it has to line with the Bible.
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I'm getting more than a little tired of Christians trying to portray Barack Obama as a Muslim. He says that he is not, he says that he is a Christian and I'm willing to take him at his word. Not one person here knows his heart, only God does.
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RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? - 3/13/2008 11:28:37 AM
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I was using Muslim as an exzample, I made that clear. I am not saying he is a muslim. I do not know his heart, but for Petes sake read what the word says a Christian is, do not take a mans word over God's. Now get it right please, I was using Muslim beliefs as an exzample. I suppose I could have use JWs, or another false belief system, but did not think of it. I thought people could pick up the jest of it. I am not being rude, but, I am getting tired of my words being twisted. Read the word, do not take my word for it. If you do not believe in the right Jesus, you are not saved. Do not be willing to take any man at his word, that is dangerous, it has to line with the Bible.
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I'm getting more than a little tired of Christians trying to portray Barack Obama as a Muslim. He says that he is not, he says that he is a Christian and I'm willing to take him at his word. Not one person here knows his heart, only God does.
The reason I take him at his word is because, abortion aside, I have no reason to believe that he's anything but what he says he is.
If Barack Obama has accepted Christ as his Lord and Saviour then he is, by definition, a Christian. If you compare him to any other teaching then you are, also by definition, claiming that he is a false teacher or a member of a cult. As with a court of law the responsibility is on you to provide evidence for your claims.
Before I make any kind of judgement call I'd like to know his side of things so that I can make a reasoned out and rational decision based on the facts and not my emotions.
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RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? - 3/13/2008 12:42:24 PM
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Thank God for GWB and Republicans. They passed and signed the Born Alive Infant Protection Act, which requires hospitals to treat babies wished dead by their mother like babies loved by their mother.
And they refused to place only pro-life judges on the Federal Appeals and Circuit benches from 2000-2006. How many lives would have been saved had they done that? How much closer would a case to end RvW be to the Supreme Court? How many babies would have been saved?
False. Do the name Alito and Roberts ring a bell?
Here is what one liberal rag had to say about GWB's Federal judicial appointees. "...Federal Appeals Courts, which Bush is stacking with zealously anti-abortion (pro-life) judges. "
http://dir.salon.com/story/news/feature/2003/11/12/abortion/
Here is what the liberal Feminist Majority had to say. "Federal Courts Stacked With Anti-Choice Judges: Bush has made numerous attempts to stack the federal courts with conservative, anti-choice (pro-life) judges through his nominations to the district and appellate courts..."
Do you not remember the dozens (?) of pro-life judges the Senate Democrats blocked by preventing confirmation votes? Or that GWB made recess appointments of pro-life judges to end run the pro-abortion Democrat's filibusters?
http://feminist.org/courts/gwb.asp
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RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? - 3/13/2008 1:37:34 PM
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Do you not remember the dozens (?) of pro-life judges the Senate Democrats blocked by preventing confirmation votes? Or that GWB made recess appointments of pro-life judges to end run the pro-abortion Democrat's filibusters?
Do you understand that they could not have blocked those appointments if the Republicans changed the Senate rules to go a simple majority vote to get confirmation?
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RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? - 3/13/2008 2:56:47 PM
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Well according to the Bible what is the definition of a Christian. Can you provide me verses? If you do not follow essential doctrines of Christanity, like Jesus is the only way to the Father, then I am sorry, you are not a true believer. Bo can say he is a mushroom, does it make it so? I am really interested in knowing your definition of the Christian faith according to the Bible. Verses, the truth. Everything else aside, abortion, the gay thing. If he does not believe in the true nature of God, then yes he is a cult follower, or deciever. Every cult, false religon starts with the misconseption of the true nature of God. It is what it is. I am not saying if you do want to vote for him, that you should not. If Christanity does not matter to you, then it does not. It is your choice, but no he is not a Christian, and not all paths lead to
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I was using Muslim as an exzample, I made that clear. I am not saying he is a muslim. I do not know his heart, but for Petes sake read what the word says a Christian is, do not take a mans word over God's. Now get it right please, I was using Muslim beliefs as an exzample. I suppose I could have use JWs, or another false belief system, but did not think of it. I thought people could pick up the jest of it. I am not being rude, but, I am getting tired of my words being twisted. Read the word, do not take my word for it. If you do not believe in the right Jesus, you are not saved. Do not be willing to take any man at his word, that is dangerous, it has to line with the Bible.
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I'm getting more than a little tired of Christians trying to portray Barack Obama as a Muslim. He says that he is not, he says that he is a Christian and I'm willing to take him at his word. Not one person here knows his heart, only God does.
The reason I take him at his word is because, abortion aside, I have no reason to believe that he's anything but what he says he is.
If Barack Obama has accepted Christ as his Lord and Saviour then he is, by definition, a Christian. If you compare him to any other teaching then you are, also by definition, claiming that he is a false teacher or a member of a cult. As with a court of law the responsibility is on you to provide evidence for your claims.
Before I make any kind of judgement call I'd like to know his side of things so that I can make a reasoned out and rational decision based on the facts and not my emotions.
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RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? - 3/13/2008 3:13:00 PM
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Well according to the Bible what is the definition of a Christian. Can you provide me verses? If you do not follow essential doctrines of Christanity, like Jesus is the only way to the Father, then I am sorry, you are not a true believer. Bo can say he is a mushroom, does it make it so? I am really interested in knowing your definition of the Christian faith according to the Bible. Verses, the truth. Everything else aside, abortion, the gay thing. If he does not believe in the true nature of God, then yes he is a cult follower, or deciever. Every cult, false religon starts with the misconseption of the true nature of God. It is what it is. I am not saying if you do want to vote for him, that you should not. If Christanity does not matter to you, then it does not. It is your choice, but no he is not a Christian, and not all paths lead to
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I was using Muslim as an exzample, I made that clear. I am not saying he is a muslim. I do not know his heart, but for Petes sake read what the word says a Christian is, do not take a mans word over God's. Now get it right please, I was using Muslim beliefs as an exzample. I suppose I could have use JWs, or another false belief system, but did not think of it. I thought people could pick up the jest of it. I am not being rude, but, I am getting tired of my words being twisted. Read the word, do not take my word for it. If you do not believe in the right Jesus, you are not saved. Do not be willing to take any man at his word, that is dangerous, it has to line with the Bible.
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I'm getting more than a little tired of Christians trying to portray Barack Obama as a Muslim. He says that he is not, he says that he is a Christian and I'm willing to take him at his word. Not one person here knows his heart, only God does.
The reason I take him at his word is because, abortion aside, I have no reason to believe that he's anything but what he says he is.
If Barack Obama has accepted Christ as his Lord and Saviour then he is, by definition, a Christian. If you compare him to any other teaching then you are, also by definition, claiming that he is a false teacher or a member of a cult. As with a court of law the responsibility is on you to provide evidence for your claims.
Before I make any kind of judgement call I'd like to know his side of things so that I can make a reasoned out and rational decision based on the facts and not my emotions.
Since you ask. My singular definition of a Christian is somone who has asked Christ to be their Lord and Saviour. By repenting of their sins and trying to live as God wants them to.
There IS no other definition except the platitudes and posturing decided upon by man. I don't know Barack Obama's mind, heart or soul and neither do you. I know that he's tried to help the poor, the needy and the sick. His stand on abortion aside that seems to be a pretty Christian way to act as far as I'm concerned.
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RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? - 3/13/2008 4:51:00 PM
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...I know that he's tried to help the poor, the needy and the sick. His stand on abortion aside that seems to be a pretty Christian way to act as far as I'm concerned.
Based on external criteria, Mormons act in a pretty Christian way but they are nowhere close to being saved.
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RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? - 3/13/2008 5:17:22 PM
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...I know that he's tried to help the poor, the needy and the sick. His stand on abortion aside that seems to be a pretty Christian way to act as far as I'm concerned.
Based on external criteria, Mormons act in a pretty Christian way but they are nowhere close to being saved.
Does that disqualify them from holding office?
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RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? - 3/13/2008 6:37:24 PM
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Barack Obama has made it very clear he is a Christian. He has been active in the church for years--I was surprised to read that I have visited his home church. He references it in his books that he is Christian. All rumours about him being Muslim have been debunked (not that it would affect his fitness for president even if he was). I find it rather cheeky and outrageous that people would try to presume they know more about his personal relationship with God than he does. This is nothing more than a smear campaign to play on people's hysteria and the fact that many people will believe this simply because they don't bother to educate themselves about presidential candidates that they'll believe anything an email forward would say. Geez, next we'll be hearing that he is a member of Al-qaeda, though they've all but implied that.
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RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? - 3/13/2008 6:58:29 PM
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Do you not remember the dozens (?) of pro-life judges the Senate Democrats blocked by preventing confirmation votes? Or that GWB made recess appointments of pro-life judges to end run the pro-abortion Democrat's filibusters?
Do you understand that they could not have blocked those appointments if the Republicans changed the Senate rules to go a simple majority vote to get confirmation?
Not all Republicans in the Senate were pro-life. Not all wanted to change the rules. Still, it was Democrats who were blocking the appointments.
The honorable thing for you to do would be to stop making false accusations about GWB and the judges he's appointed. Clearly he has not appointed a bunch of pro-abortion judges.
If BHO becomes president then you will see a slew of judges who disagree with the SC on partial birth abortion. He will undo the Mexico City policy and send money to poor countries to chop up brown and black children. He will promote abortion in the UN. Remember, this is a guy who tried to stop Illinois legislation to protect fully born children who survive abortion attempts on their life.
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RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? - 3/13/2008 8:57:16 PM
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To be a christian you must believe Jesus is the only way to the father. Barack believes there is more than one way to heaven. It is like Bible 101. It has nothing to do with him being a muslum, but with him being a Christian. Who does he say Jesus is? Simple,essential doctrine . Without the main thing or belief, I am sorry you can not claim salvation. The word says the is no salvation under any other name. Come on guy's, this is so simple my first grade SS grasp it. I could give you hundreds of scriptures. to back up my claim, truth is not what you want it to be, neither is Jesus Christ.
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RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? - 3/13/2008 9:46:08 PM
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Not all Republicans in the Senate were pro-life. Not all wanted to change the rules. Still, it was Democrats who were blocking the appointments.
If most (i.e. majority) of the Republicans had wanted to end abortion by insuring that Alito and Roberts like judges were on the Federal appellate and circuit benches, they would have changed the rules. The Dems were wrong. That the Reps allowed the Dems to do that puts just as much blood on their hands. Federal judicial seats are permanent. If the Reps had filled every one of them with pro-life judges, don't see what a difference that would have made? Just as you fear what Obama might do (might cause he's not been elected), can't you see what could have been if GWB's appointees had gotten in?
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RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? - 3/13/2008 11:21:54 PM
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To be a christian you must believe Jesus is the only way to the father. Barack believes there is more than one way to heaven. It is like Bible 101. It has nothing to do with him being a muslum, but with him being a Christian. Who does he say Jesus is? Simple,essential doctrine . Without the main thing or belief, I am sorry you can not claim salvation. The word says the is no salvation under any other name. Come on guy's, this is so simple my first grade SS grasp it. I could give you hundreds of scriptures. to back up my claim, truth is not what you want it to be, neither is Jesus Christ.
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When you hold McCain to the same standard...maybe we'll listen to what you have to say.
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RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? - 3/13/2008 11:34:50 PM
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It is your choice to listen to the word, not me. This is not about McCain, but since you brought it up, atleast he is honest to say he is not born again. Give him that a measure of honesty. I am not holding anybody to ant standard, the word of God does, just as it does for you, me, and McCain, the pope, and every knee that will bow before Jesus Christ. I am a sinner, just as much as the next, but the difference I believe in the sacrifice if Jesus Christ, he was born of a virgin, became flesh dwelt among us, crucified, rose again on the third day, and is coming again soon to judge the quick and the dead. He is my only hope of salvation and forever the God-man. He is the only way to be saved. Now if John M, does not become born again, he will end up the same place as Bo if Bo does not become born again. Read it, it is not my opinion, but Gods inspired word.
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To be a christian you must believe Jesus is the only way to the father. Barack believes there is more than one way to heaven. It is like Bible 101. It has nothing to do with him being a muslum, but with him being a Christian. Who does he say Jesus is? Simple,essential doctrine . Without the main thing or belief, I am sorry you can not claim salvation. The word says the is no salvation under any other name. Come on guy's, this is so simple my first grade SS grasp it. I could give you hundreds of scriptures. to back up my claim, truth is not what you want it to be, neither is Jesus Christ.
Lightshine:
When you hold McCain to the same standard...maybe we'll listen to what you have to say.
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RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? - 3/13/2008 11:35:45 PM
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Barack Obama on his conversion:
It wasn't an epiphany. I didn't “fall out,” as they say in the black church. It was an emotional and spiritual progression, as well as an intellectual one. And it didn't happen overnight. What happened was that I felt drawn to the message of Jesus Christ and the power of the church to fortify people in their spiritual journeys. And, you know, in my heart, at least, I felt God's spirit beckoning me. So ultimately, as I write in [“The Audacity of Hope”], I submitted myself to his will, dedicated myself to discovering his truths.
But it's an ongoing process for all of us in making sure that we are living out our faith every day. And, you know, it's something that I try to pray on at the beginning of every day and at the end of every day, whether I'm living my life in a way that's consistent with my faith.
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...and on living his faith on the campaign trail
The prayer that I tell myself every night is a fairly simple one: I ask in the name of Jesus Christ that my sins are forgiven, that my family is protected and that I am an instrument of God's will. I'm constantly trying to align myself to what I think he calls on me to do. And sometimes you hear it strongly and sometimes that voice is more muted.
In terms of on the political trail, I don't find it challenging to be respectful and courteous to people, including my political opponents. You know, the Golden Rule still applies in politics.
http://www.beliefnet.com/story/228/story_22894_1.html
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RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? - 3/13/2008 11:43:01 PM
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Wing that is great, but you still have to believe Christ is the only way. He is right, about the golden rule and stuff, but let him believe in the right Christ. The only way Jesus. Please understand our rightouness is as filthy rags, we must be covered by the rightouness of Jesus Christ to be saved. I am not saying he is bad, evil, ok. He need prayer to believe in the right Jesus. I mean after twenty years? seems like he would get it. My dads best friend said sort of the same thing, my dad a very shy man, told his friend the truth, about Jesus, the friend did not reply, now this man is a church goer, and a good man, but, is he saved no, not without Christ as his savior.
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RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? - 3/13/2008 11:50:45 PM
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Wing that is great, but you still have to believe Christ is the only way.
...and in your view, making such a declaration is a pre-requisite for becoming President of the United States?
If that's the case, I'm afraid most of our prior Presidents, including the current one, would be disqualified.
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RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? - 3/13/2008 11:53:57 PM
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No GWB, says Jesus is the way, and it is important to me, though I do not judge you if this is not important to you. We all have a choice to make, in what is important to each of us. I do no wish discord, just saying truth is he a Christian the name of the Thread. Blessings
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Wing that is great, but you still have to believe Christ is the only way.
...and in your view, making such a declaration is a pre-requisite for becoming President of the United States?
If that's the case, I'm afraid most of our prior Presidents, including the current one, would be disqualified.
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RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? - 3/14/2008 12:04:06 AM
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No GWB, says Jesus is the way, and it is important to me
....yes, but he didn't say the only way.
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In an exclusive interview with ABC News' Charles Gibson, Bush said he believes that both Christians and Muslims worship the same God.
"I think we do. We have different routes of getting to the Almighty," Bush said. "But I want you to understand, I want your listeners to understand, I don't get to get decide who goes to heaven. The Almighty God decides who goes to heaven and I am on my personal walk," he said.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=193746&page=1
In any case, I will not question the faith of Bush, McCain or Obama.
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RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? - 3/14/2008 12:07:21 AM
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Well thatn is disappointing, but we are talking Obama, redirecting does not change BO, and his stance which is the title of this thread. We could start a is GWB a Christian, but this is not it. Do you think BO is a Christian according to the word? If so can you defend it? I will look in the morning, I am sleepy. Good night, and God bless. 
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No GWB, says Jesus is the way, and it is important to me
....yes, but he didn't say the only way.
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In an exclusive interview with ABC News' Charles Gibson, Bush said he believes that both Christians and Muslims worship the same God.
"I think we do. We have different routes of getting to the Almighty," Bush said. "But I want you to understand, I want your listeners to understand, I don't get to get decide who goes to heaven. The Almighty God decides who goes to heaven and I am on my personal walk," he said.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=193746&page=1
In any case, I will not question the faith of Bush, McCain or Obama.
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RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? - 3/14/2008 12:38:47 AM
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Do you think BO is a Christian according to the word?
I do not find reason to doubt his word.
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If so can you defend it?
Frankly, the way he lives his life speaks louder than an declaration of faith or theological position.
In any case, I think a candidate's faith is between him (or her) and God.
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RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? - 3/14/2008 12:42:07 AM
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Do you think BO is a Christian according to the word?
I do not find reason to doubt his word.
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If so can you defend it?
Frankly, the way he lives his life speaks louder than an declaration of faith or theological position.
In any case, I think a candidate's faith is between him (or her) and God.
Thank you for pointing this out. I think more Christians would do well to remember what you just said.
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