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HisCovenant -> RE: Do we care too much about music? (2/19/2008 2:37:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JimboFletch I actually prefer accordians with bagpipes to Honkey Tonk... Nuff said. [;)]

crankius -> RE: Do we care too much about music? (2/19/2008 2:49:32 PM)
I would like to be part of a kazoo and bazooka band. That would be fun! [sm=cowboy.gif]

DaveW -> RE: Do we care too much about music? (2/19/2008 3:00:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CherishedbyGod Jesus and the disciples sang a hymn as they went out towards the Garden of Gethsename. The other day I was pondering what could have been that hymn and did it give our Saviour courage? Get a passover Hagaddah and look at the end - the hymns of praise taken from the Psalms. It would have been one of those as the basics of the passover have not changed in 2000 years.

DaveW -> RE: Do we care too much about music? (2/19/2008 3:01:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: crankius I would like to be part of a kazoo and bazooka band. That would be fun! [sm=cowboy.gif] Can we add a harmonium and tampura????

DaveW -> RE: Do we care too much about music? (2/19/2008 3:03:31 PM)
quote: Yeh, my particular taste doesn't include country music ... Which country?? I love Israeli music.

doinkdom -> RE: Do we care too much about music? (2/19/2008 3:07:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DaveW quote: Yeh, my particular taste doesn't include country music ... Which country?? I love Israeli music. [:D]good point...actually I guess the category is country & western at least that's what my grandparents called it[&:]

JimboFletch -> RE: Do we care too much about music? (2/19/2008 3:13:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: crankius I would like to be part of a kazoo and bazooka band. That would be fun! [sm=cowboy.gif] I'm often referred to as the Jerry Lee Lewis of the Jews Harp. [sm=icon_smile_approve.gif]

kernsfamily -> RE: Do we care too much about music? (2/19/2008 3:33:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JimboFletch quote: ORIGINAL: crankius I would like to be part of a kazoo and bazooka band. That would be fun! [sm=cowboy.gif] I'm often referred to as the Jerry Lee Lewis of the Jews Harp. [sm=icon_smile_approve.gif] Here on my office computer, the iTunes is packed with all sorts of music....including Jerry Lee Lewis and Elvis singing "Just a Little Talk with Jesus" together.... And, Jerry Lee's rendition of "will the circle be unbroken"... (since y'all mentioned Jerry Lee, and all)

CherishedbyGod -> RE: Do we care too much about music? (2/19/2008 4:00:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DaveW quote: ORIGINAL: CherishedbyGod Jesus and the disciples sang a hymn as they went out towards the Garden of Gethsename. The other day I was pondering what could have been that hymn and did it give our Saviour courage? Get a passover Hagaddah and look at the end - the hymns of praise taken from the Psalms. It would have been one of those as the basics of the passover have not changed in 2000 years. Oh, awesome! Thank you for that information. I love Israeli music, also. I love Marty Goetz' music. I acutally am a west coast, band-loving, Jesus freak at heart. It is not uncommon for me to take my hands off the steering wheel while driving and start clapping to a song I love[:D] Can I get a witness[8D]

delete123 -> RE: Do we care too much about music? (2/19/2008 4:34:38 PM)
I have to agree with you Jhud~ I actually love music and also have my preference. Lately though I have stopped going to this church. It's where I had my son dedicated, it is a nice church but ever since they lost their band, membership declined. Well now that they restored their "music" ministry, That's all I hear. I mean 1 1/2 to 2 hrs of music. Well I came to hear a message. I can sing and play music at home. Are churches trying to reach ppl in this manner? Than they are going the wrong way? I have a 2 y/o and it's very difficult for me to keep him entertained until I can hear the message. ( their Sunday school doesn't have anyone my childs age. Their children are much older) So needless to say, I stay home CRH

FearoftheLord -> RE: Do we care too much about music? (2/19/2008 11:03:01 PM)
quote: I think this can moreso be attributed to humans not wanting to look stupid. People don't want to look dumb, no matter how compelled they feel to worship. If the music gets loud, it's okay to sing loud to the Lord. If it's quiet, you don't want to be the person What I was really talking about is the jumping up and down, like they were at a rock concert. It just seems they were really just enjoying the music. Not true worship. Most of them were kids, but I did see an old man in his sixties or seventies jumping up and down too. That was really funny.

SD456 -> RE: Do we care too much about music? (2/21/2008 3:45:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FearoftheLord quote: I think this can moreso be attributed to humans not wanting to look stupid. People don't want to look dumb, no matter how compelled they feel to worship. If the music gets loud, it's okay to sing loud to the Lord. If it's quiet, you don't want to be the person What I was really talking about is the jumping up and down, like they were at a rock concert. It just seems they were really just enjoying the music. Not true worship. Most of them were kids, but I did see an old man in his sixties or seventies jumping up and down too. That was really funny. I don't see anything wrong with enjoying the music along with the worship. I love being in services that are full of young people, and I love services where people dance. There's no way you can judge their hearts and say they were just 'enjoying the music' and not truly worshipping. I dance all over the place, but the ONLY time I do it is when I'm deep in worship and the Holy Spirit fills me with a joy where I have to dance, so if you saw me you might think, "she's just partying with the music and not really worshipping." You'd be dead wrong in that judgement. It's fine for people to go to a church that has the kind of music they can relate to. I see no problem in that.

doinkdom -> RE: Do we care too much about music? (2/21/2008 3:49:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FearoftheLord quote: I think this can moreso be attributed to humans not wanting to look stupid. People don't want to look dumb, no matter how compelled they feel to worship. If the music gets loud, it's okay to sing loud to the Lord. If it's quiet, you don't want to be the person What I was really talking about is the jumping up and down, like they were at a rock concert. It just seems they were really just enjoying the music. Not true worship. Most of them were kids, but I did see an old man in his sixties or seventies jumping up and down too. That was really funny. Why would true worship look the same for everyone, considering the vast number of personalities and uniqueness of each child of God?

SD456 -> RE: Do we care too much about music? (2/21/2008 3:52:39 PM)
I agree. True worship will come out of each of us differently. Some shout, some don't., etc. I don't think it matters.

crankius -> RE: Do we care too much about music? (2/21/2008 8:32:25 PM)
So, as long as I'm posting cranky thoughts about music, I'll just add another one. [:)] I really detest music playing while someone is praying or speaking. Thankfully the church I attend now doesn't do this.

Anamchara -> RE: Do we care too much about music? (2/21/2008 10:49:29 PM)
this song comes to my mind as I read this post: When the music fades All is stripped away And I simply come Longing just to bring Something that's of worth That will bless your heart Bridge I'll bring You more than a song For a song in itself Is not what You have required You search much deeper within Through the way things appear You're looking into my heart Chorus I'm coming back to the heart of worhip And it's all about You It's all about You, Jesus I'm sorry, Lord, for the thing I've made it When it's all about You It's all about You, Jesus Verse 2 King of endless worth No one could express How much you deserve Though I'm weak and poor All I have is yours Every single breath by Matt Redman I grew up hearing hymns, not until in my teenage years did I ever hear more of the "contemporary" style praise and Worship. I love them both. The hymns bring flashbacks to my childhood years, I love the richness of their words, they hold a special place in my heart :)

Tinkerbell_ -> RE: Do we care too much about music? (2/22/2008 1:57:41 PM)
Music has a way of making or breaking worship time as well. Granted the music is behind the message, but I personally find it a bit harder to get into the 'worship' spirit when I'm listening to something that isn't appealing to my soul. A church I went to before had 'specials' where anyone from the congregation could go forth and sing to the Lord. Some people sang to the Lord, and some people sang to the congregation. I could usually tell which was which and had an easier time listening to those who sang to the Lord no matter how off key they were. Who's to say that those leading the worship time aren't just as involved with it as you are? Many times our worship leader will begin to pray and can't because he's so overwhelmed with the Holy Spirit. My best prayer moments have been with worship music in the background. I think there are times when we do care too much about music, but when I think of the hours our praise teams put into making our worship services go smoothly I thank God for them and that they are using their talents for His glory. Without the practice they would be off key, off beat, miss ques, etc. etc. IMO it would be distracting to the worshippers...this way you can worship without interruption, and without grimacing. It becomes background music to your worshipping moment. (I found I used the word 'worship' alot in this post. [8D])

SD456 -> RE: Do we care too much about music? (2/22/2008 5:36:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: crankius So, as long as I'm posting cranky thoughts about music, I'll just add another one. [:)] I really detest music playing while someone is praying or speaking. Thankfully the church I attend now doesn't do this. I'm just the opposite. I love it when an instrumental is played behind praying and speaking. For me, it makes things flow so much more freely and it actually helps me in my prayer. When I lead worship, I'll play quietly behind people also.

DaveW -> RE: Do we care too much about music? (2/26/2008 12:57:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SD456 I'm just the opposite. I love it when an instrumental is played behind praying and speaking. For me, it makes things flow so much more freely and it actually helps me in my prayer. When I lead worship, I'll play quietly behind people also. The problem is when the music gets either loud enough or interesting enough to pull attention away from the speaker or prayer. That happens all too often.

Cloak -> RE: Do we care too much about music? (2/26/2008 3:07:29 PM)
Music is very important to me. When I don't like the music; I usually leave the church. Too bad, but I really love beautiful music, it helps me to see the beauty of the Lord!

crankius -> RE: Do we care too much about music? (2/26/2008 3:17:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SD456 quote: ORIGINAL: crankius So, as long as I'm posting cranky thoughts about music, I'll just add another one. [:)] I really detest music playing while someone is praying or speaking. Thankfully the church I attend now doesn't do this. I'm just the opposite. I love it when an instrumental is played behind praying and speaking. For me, it makes things flow so much more freely and it actually helps me in my prayer. When I lead worship, I'll play quietly behind people also. I'm going to post more of what I think, but please know that I'm not making a judgment on you personally because clearly music helps you in your prayers. For me, I always wonder, "Why the music while you pray? Who are you praying to? Is this prayer for us, or for God? Does God care if there is beautiful music playing while we are praying? Is this prayer a prayer of show, emotion, or performance, with choreographed music?" I prefer the simple prayers from the heart of a person without the hoopla or musical setting or pretty, pleasant atmosphere. Today in many churches everything is about sensory, making everything beautiful in OUR eyes, and this disturbs me. It reminds me of the man who prays loudly on the street corner--completely aware of the audience around him. I'd rather have the prayers of the person praying as if God is the only audience--truly an audience of One. This is the Almighty God we are talking to, and He sees right through all the prettied up stuff straight to the heart of man. I approach God with fear and trembling, with great love and awe, and with honor, and I just feel plain WEIRD and STRANGE to be praying with beautiful music in the background.

SD456 -> RE: Do we care too much about music? (2/26/2008 5:20:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DaveW quote: ORIGINAL: SD456 I'm just the opposite. I love it when an instrumental is played behind praying and speaking. For me, it makes things flow so much more freely and it actually helps me in my prayer. When I lead worship, I'll play quietly behind people also. The problem is when the music gets either loud enough or interesting enough to pull attention away from the speaker or prayer. That happens all too often. That's just a matter of the worship leader growing in his gift to lead and learning when to be quieter and when to get louder. With continued training, most leaders should grow in their understanding of this. quote: I prefer the simple prayers from the heart of a person without the hoopla or musical setting or pretty, pleasant atmosphere. I think you hit it on the head there, "you prefer". It is a matter of preference only. I'm sure God doesn't give a hoot whether we pray with music or without. When I'm praying alone in my prayer closet I always have music playing quietly in the background also. For me, it brings a worshipful atmosphere and encourages me in my prayers. I think in that statement, you are also assuming that it's not "simple prayers from the heart" when people are praying with music behind them. That would be an incorrect assumption, since music has no bearing on our humility. But to each his own. It's ok because God loves it when we pray however we do it.

crankius -> RE: Do we care too much about music? (2/26/2008 5:28:46 PM)
SD--Like I said, I am not going to make a judgment about you or your prayers. Thanks. Edit to add--I will say that music often moves me to prayer. [:)] So see, I'm not a complete fuddy duddy.

DaveW -> RE: Do we care too much about music? (2/27/2008 9:24:30 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SD456 quote: The problem is when the music gets either loud enough or interesting enough to pull attention away from the speaker or prayer. That happens all too often. That's just a matter of the worship leader growing in his gift to lead and learning when to be quieter and when to get louder. With continued training, most leaders should grow in their understanding of this. I agree. But just try and reign in that 18 yo "Clapton" running blues riffs at 90 mph so quietly you can barely hear it but really want to. That can be just as distracting as too loud. (at least to other musicians)

Closie -> RE: Do we care too much about music? (2/27/2008 9:51:36 AM)
I've relocated for work often. As I've searched for a church home, I immediately dismiss the ones with loud music. I've accepted drums and guitar, but I'm content without them. I don't like loud music of any type. I don't think it's wrong, it's just not for me so I don't attend churches with that kind of music. My preference is hymns with a contemporary song here or there, but primarily hyms. So yes I care too much about music.

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