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RE: Settling for Mr "Good Enough" and not Mr ... - 3/6/2008 8:47:47 AM
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AdrianaS
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ORIGINAL: Dakotasunbeam Okay, I read this article. It was OK. But it was fraught with serial references to TV and movies. I couldn't help but think how this author is just a sound bite leaping from the big or small screen. What she's stabbing at in her article is to figure out how to be content in whatever state you are. TV and movies--all of which she references, do not allow you to do that. They romanticize EVERYTHING. Not only that, they put value and worth on certain individuals. There is: The nerd, the stud, the dud, and the bud. But these are all characters, they are evaluating people based on physical and personality characteristics. God values us on something different. But as long as the sum total and value of the individual we are seeking can be quantified in terms of physically or charming characteristics, there will always be a "better version" out there. This author, I couldn't help but feel sorry for her. This is a lady, that in all of her doing is still not yet content. She vainly thinks that getting married will do that for her. Just as she thought getting artificially inseminated, big career, dating big shots, big house, kids, etc. would complete her life. It hasn't and she's disappointed. This woman has not learned how to be CONTENT. The Bible says godliness with contentment is great gain. That's what she's missing. I venture that the poor dear would not be content even if she married some guy. She'd next write a book called, "What Was I thinking When I Settled for Him?" Another point she made, that I think is optimal to understanding her article and the vantage point from which she writes is this quote: quote:
After all, wouldn’t it have been wiser to settle for a higher caliber of “not Mr. Right” while my marital value was at its peak? Marital Value, now that's a concept. This is really getting down to the heart of the matter. When she was "young and hot" in her mind, she could be a bit more cavalier. Now that she's "old and cold" she's trying for anything she can get. This is in essence putting a value on herself in the same way that she has put a value on the men that she has turned down in the past. She's literally become the victem of her own flawwed thinking. Now, she thinks she's not "worth" as much as she was 10 years ago, and so the best idea is to "just settle." It's like buying discounted pastries. It's on sale now that it doesn't have much shelf life on it. The baker/grocer is just glad to sell it for almost anything he can get. And yeah, she means, "settle." Personally, I think women and men do have a TV/Movie reel going in their head--just like this author. You can tell she does, because she quantifies her own worth and the worth of others based on some physical characteristics. In fact, the guy she said she'd gone on a date with seemed to have sever personal problems and yet she was thinking, maybe I'll just settle for him[I'm not worth that much anyway]. **gross** Settling for me is marrying someone who: 1. Does not meet God's standard of being a christian. 2. Violates God's principles 3. Is disgusting and repugnant to me Quite frankly, God in His graciousness has taught me contentment. I am greatly content. This makes it possible for me to be content with someone else. I know that with God's help and discernment I will be able to detect godly characteristics. I strive not to put value on one person above another. I think if we focus on finding the godly spiritual beauty in a person, we will find Mr./Mrs. Right. Finding Mr./Mrs. Right is as much of a choice and choosing to be content. Yep, I do agree with you. Here you go Dakota, you brillant!
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RE: Settling for Mr "Good Enough" and not Mr ... - 3/7/2008 10:06:13 PM
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auntiesis
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The problem I have with settling for "good enough" is whether he knows the Lord or not. If he doesn't the Lord, then that man is basically off limits, because we would then be unequally yoked. So we have to be care. There may be a person who comes along and we are not "in love" with that person, but who happens to be our best friend. That person may become the right person, because God and the Holy Spirit got involved in it.
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RE: Settling for Mr "Good Enough" and not Mr ... - 3/9/2008 3:31:19 PM
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ajlewis
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Settling for me is marrying someone who: 1. Does not meet God's standard of being a christian. 2. Violates God's principles 3. Is disgusting and repugnant to me Why would you even consider marrying someone like this in the first place? Would you consider marrying someone who's disgusting and repugnant but he's a Christian? (or pretends to be?)
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RE: Settling for Mr "Good Enough" and not Mr ... - 3/11/2008 2:55:59 PM
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Dakotasunbeam
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Thanks, Adriana! quote:
ORIGINAL: AdrianaS quote:
ORIGINAL: Dakotasunbeam Okay, I read this article. It was OK. But it was fraught with serial references to TV and movies. I couldn't help but think how this author is just a sound bite leaping from the big or small screen. What she's stabbing at in her article is to figure out how to be content in whatever state you are. TV and movies--all of which she references, do not allow you to do that. They romanticize EVERYTHING. Not only that, they put value and worth on certain individuals. There is: The nerd, the stud, the dud, and the bud. But these are all characters, they are evaluating people based on physical and personality characteristics. God values us on something different. But as long as the sum total and value of the individual we are seeking can be quantified in terms of physically or charming characteristics, there will always be a "better version" out there. This author, I couldn't help but feel sorry for her. This is a lady, that in all of her doing is still not yet content. She vainly thinks that getting married will do that for her. Just as she thought getting artificially inseminated, big career, dating big shots, big house, kids, etc. would complete her life. It hasn't and she's disappointed. This woman has not learned how to be CONTENT. The Bible says godliness with contentment is great gain. That's what she's missing. I venture that the poor dear would not be content even if she married some guy. She'd next write a book called, "What Was I thinking When I Settled for Him?" Another point she made, that I think is optimal to understanding her article and the vantage point from which she writes is this quote: quote:
After all, wouldn’t it have been wiser to settle for a higher caliber of “not Mr. Right” while my marital value was at its peak? Marital Value, now that's a concept. This is really getting down to the heart of the matter. When she was "young and hot" in her mind, she could be a bit more cavalier. Now that she's "old and cold" she's trying for anything she can get. This is in essence putting a value on herself in the same way that she has put a value on the men that she has turned down in the past. She's literally become the victem of her own flawwed thinking. Now, she thinks she's not "worth" as much as she was 10 years ago, and so the best idea is to "just settle." It's like buying discounted pastries. It's on sale now that it doesn't have much shelf life on it. The baker/grocer is just glad to sell it for almost anything he can get. And yeah, she means, "settle." Personally, I think women and men do have a TV/Movie reel going in their head--just like this author. You can tell she does, because she quantifies her own worth and the worth of others based on some physical characteristics. In fact, the guy she said she'd gone on a date with seemed to have sever personal problems and yet she was thinking, maybe I'll just settle for him[I'm not worth that much anyway]. **gross** Settling for me is marrying someone who: 1. Does not meet God's standard of being a christian. 2. Violates God's principles 3. Is disgusting and repugnant to me Quite frankly, God in His graciousness has taught me contentment. I am greatly content. This makes it possible for me to be content with someone else. I know that with God's help and discernment I will be able to detect godly characteristics. I strive not to put value on one person above another. I think if we focus on finding the godly spiritual beauty in a person, we will find Mr./Mrs. Right. Finding Mr./Mrs. Right is as much of a choice and choosing to be content. Yep, I do agree with you. Here you go Dakota, you brillant!
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RE: Settling for Mr "Good Enough" and not Mr ... - 3/11/2008 3:09:44 PM
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Dakotasunbeam
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ajlewis, That's just my idea of settling. I really hadn't thought about any of the other stuff you mentioned. I suppose in the context of the article, the author may advocate marrying someone personally disgusting or repugnant, for the sake of being married. Dunno. quote:
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Settling for me is marrying someone who: 1. Does not meet God's standard of being a christian. 2. Violates God's principles 3. Is disgusting and repugnant to me Why would you even consider marrying someone like this in the first place? Would you consider marrying someone who's disgusting and repugnant but he's a Christian? (or pretends to be?) It is funny you should mention that, it reminds me of the Matchmaker song in Fiddler on the Roof: Hodel: Well, somebody has to arrange the matches, Young people can't decide these things themselves. Chava: She might bring someone wonderful---- Hodel: Someone interesting---- Chava: And well off---- Hodel: And important--- Matchmaker, Matchmaker, Make me a match, Find me a find, catch me a catch Matchmaker, Matchmaker Look through your book, And make me a perfect match Chava: Matchmaker, Matchmaker, I'll bring the veil, You bring the groom, Slender and pale. Bring me a ring for I'm longing to be, The envy of all I see. Hodel: For Papa, Make him a scholar. Chava: For mama, Make him rich as a king. Chava and Hodel: For me, well, I wouldn't holler If he were as handsome as anything. Matchmaker, Matchmaker, Make me a match, Find me a find, Catch me a catch, Night after night in the dark I'm alone So find me match, Of my own. (spoken) Tzeitel: Since when are you in a match, Chava? I thought you had your eye on your books. (Hodel chuckles) Tzeitel con't: And you have your eye on the Rabbi's son. Hodel: Well, why not? We have only one Rabbi and he has only one son. Why shouldn't I want the best? Tzeitel: Because you're a girl from a poor family. So whatever Yenta brings, you'll take, right? Of course right! (throws scarf over her head, imitating Yenta) (singing) Hodel, oh Hodel, Have I made a match for you! He's handsome, he's young! Alright, he's 62. But he's a nice man, a good catch, true? True. I promise you'll be happy, And even if you're not, There's more to life than that--- Don't ask me what. Chava, I found him. Won't you be a lucky bride! He's handsome, he's tall, That is from side to side. But he's a nice man, a good catch, right? Right. You heard he has a temper. He'll beat you every night, But only when he's sober, So you'll alright. Did you think you'd get a prince? Well I do the best I can. With no dowry, no money, no family background Be glad you got a man! Chava: Matchmaker, Matchmaker, You know that I'm Still very young. Please, take your time. Hodel: Up to this minute, I misunderstood That I could get stuck for good. Chava and Hodel: Dear Yenta, See that he's gentle Remember, You were also a bride. It's not that I'm sentimental Chava and Hodel and Tzeitel: It's just that I'm terrified! Matchmaker, Matchmaker, Plan me no plans I'm in no rush Maybe I've learned Playing with matches A girl can get burned So, Bring me no ring Groom me no groom Find me no find Catch me no catch Unless he's a matchless match.
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RE: Settling for Mr "Good Enough" and not Mr ... - 3/11/2008 3:25:26 PM
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OK. Now I'm going to either have to watch fiddler on the roof, or tour the diamond match company.
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RE: Settling for Mr "Good Enough" and not Mr ... - 3/11/2008 4:38:40 PM
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ORIGINAL: Dakotasunbeam reminds me of the "Matchmaker" song in Fiddler on the Roof And to that... and the spirit with which you are posting all that you are saying in this thread, DSB, I say: L'chaim!!!
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RE: Settling for Mr "Good Enough" and not Mr ... - 3/11/2008 6:29:57 PM
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Dakotasunbeam
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John_O, I've always wanted to know how matches were made! Take a tour and let me know how it works! Elena, TO LIFE!!! LOL.
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RE: Settling for Mr "Good Enough" and not Mr ... - 3/11/2008 6:41:39 PM
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OK. Now I'm going to either have to watch fiddler on the roof, or tour the diamond match company. quote:
ORIGINAL: Dakotasunbeam John_O, I've always wanted to know how matches were made! Take a tour and let me know how it works! Elena, TO LIFE!!! LOL. Match making - Matchmaker There has to be a pun or play on words here, but, I would not be the one to make it funny. Sadly, I am humor impaired/challenged. I love to laugh, however, when others laugh at me, it's usually not because I meant to be funny. Hubby found this adorable, I just find it frustrating. Grrr.
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RE: Settling for Mr "Good Enough" and not Mr ... - 3/14/2008 10:50:45 PM
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Doesn't it say somewhere that if we are looking for someone, we should ask God and He will bring to us the person meant for you or me? And...isn't it just the best when you get to know someone...get to know their mannerisms--even if he is not born-again, tho' it is better in so many ways. I mean, I agree with one of you...that only God is perfect, and so I..like any of you...isn't perfect, so why not look for a Boaz among the fields? You never know..could be the prince or something like him. I mean, Ruth was given advice by her mother-in-law! Ha ha ha! Look what she received! It's good to optimistic. There are a lot of nice guys. I know a lot of Christian women friends who have met and married some really decent guys--hardworking, easy to be around...and besides, walkin' in the love and peace of Jesus...with gentleness and one's own personality, ....well...doesn't it say in Scripture?: "All things are possible with God." And..then we have that great faith verse: "Faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen." Well..I'm off to write a letter.... xo xo xo bowlight
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RE: Settling for Mr "Good Enough" and not Mr ... - 3/18/2008 10:38:34 PM
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Dakotasunbeam
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Bowlight, quote:
Doesn't it say somewhere that if we are looking for someone, we should ask God and He will bring to us the person meant for you or me? I'm not sure if its in the Good Book, but its definately in the Book of Love--and if its not there, I'm pretty sure its in the Little Black book. JK. I'm sorry I could not resist. I think a lot of singles think there is some kind of marriage promise in the Bible--not so sure. I think its really wanting to get married and then doing it. And of course being equally yoked!
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RE: (2)Settling for Mr "Good Enough" and not ... - 4/15/2008 8:03:10 AM
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Osano
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I agree. Using the bible as an example, I don't know where it promotes women to be a damsel in distress(air head). The bible promotes godly women to be intelligent and have a passion for Christ (married or single) e.g. Abigail, Proverbs 31 woman is a business woman and a homemaker. If a woman is beautiful on the outside as well as the inside that is a prize! Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder, the bible does point out beautiful women as well e.g. Esther, Sarah. So, I don't know where the church gets this damsel in distress stereotype. God gave everyone a brain for a reason, and personally it is the sexiest organ. Nice hair and teeth may catch your eye but it takes a lot more than that to keep me:)
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RE: (2)Settling for Mr "Good Enough" and not ... - 4/15/2008 9:08:16 AM
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John_O
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ORIGINAL: Osano I agree. Using the bible as an example, I don't know where it promotes women to be a damsel in distress(air head). The bible promotes godly women to be intelligent and have a passion for Christ (married or single) e.g. Abigail, Proverbs 31 woman is a business woman and a homemaker. If a woman is beautiful on the outside as well as the inside that is a prize! Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder, the bible does point out beautiful women as well e.g. Esther, Sarah. Agreed. And yet every woman is beautiful to some man. quote:
God gave everyone a brain for a reason, and personally it is the sexiest organ. Nice hair and teeth may catch your eye but it takes a lot more than that to keep me:) So the man who finally catches you will need to come up with traps and mazes to kep you caught? And since you're so bright he needs to design really intelligent schemes or else you'll get away? Maybe I'm misreading something here?
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RE: (2)Settling for Mr "Good Enough" and not ... - 4/16/2008 5:27:26 PM
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Osano
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John O, You pretty much summed it up:) Seriously, a goldy man that means what he says is good for me;and of course, there has to be some attraction there to begin with. Is that asking too much? And oh, my number one pet peeve about men, yes I know it is scary to get rejected, but not all women are into asking men out even if they remain dateless. Courage is actually a very attractive trait assuming that the attraction is both ways. If the woman rejects you that is not the woman for you anyway so just move on to the next one:)
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