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RE: Kicka, part 3 - 4/27/2008 7:25:29 PM
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Sarah ~ If I haven't already said so (I know I was going to once already but I think that my computer was acting up and wouldn't post right then) I just love that adorable new avatar of yours...she is precious!
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RE: Kicka, part 3 - 4/27/2008 7:58:15 PM
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As for removing respirators, etc... It depends upon the individual case. I think the family should decide based upon what they know of the person's wishes. That's why everyone should have "the talk" with their family members about things like that. Then, whether or not they've had that talk, the family members should exhaust all other option, opinions, etc. before making the final decision. You can always decide later to disconnect. But once that decision has been made, you're stuck with it. In the case of Karen Quinlin I think the family made the right decision. They were her parents, they knew her as well as anyone could, and it was obvious that she was never going to get better. In the more recent case of the woman who's husband wanted to disconnect and her parents didn't...I felt that it shouldn't have been done. He seemed to be the only one in the family ready to do it, was wanting to remarry and couldn't with her still alive, and her family was dead certain that she would not have wanted it. He said she did, but since she hadn't had "the talk" with anyone else, apparently, there was no way to know what her wishes would have been. If there's a spouse and the patients parents/siblings are in the picture, then there should be consent on both sides. In that case there should have been a way for a neutral party to step in (court appointed) with her POA and represent her in a divorce. That way he'd be free to remarry and her parents would then be responsible for her. Of course, I doubt he'd have been for that since apparently there was money going to pay for her treatment that he wanted, supposedly. If there was a divorce it's doubtful he'd have gotten any. Just my 100 fils.
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A lot of times, esp. with younger people, they don't make wishes known, then sometimes there's confusion about what they would want. I'm familiar with the Quinlan and Cruzan cases (famous older cases) and of course Schaivo, and I see in all of them none of them left anything specific that was binding (did Shaivo?). When the courts were involved with the first two cases, they either disagreed with what the family thought (at least in the beginning), or agreed but the person still wasn't taken off support (due to the doctors). There are all kinds of ways to be conflicted I suppose, but conflict was a big issue in all of those cases....probably the biggest one.
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RE: Kicka, part 3 - 4/28/2008 5:04:54 AM
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[and I see in all of them none of them left anything specific that was binding (did Shaivo?)./quote]
Supposedly she did, but only told her husband. He was the one pushing for her to be "let go". He said she had said she'd never want to be kept alive like that. He also had someone he was waiting to marry after her death and was getting tired of her money being used to keep her alive.
OK, ladies, here's a new one...kind of. But I think we would all kind of agree on this but maybe not. I've been listening to White Horse Inn through One Place. I download the programs and listen on my iPod (the best Christmas I've ever gotten...well, except for the original, of course. LOL) It's a round table discussion with the host and 3 other pastors from different denominations. I know one's Lutherans and one's Baptist (I think), but I don't remember the other two. A few weeks ago they were discussing "The Gospel According to Barnes and Noble". Have a listen and see what you think.
Part 1
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This could be a good discussion. I love the part in the 2nd episode where they start talking about the "emerald green light of healing".
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RE: Kicka, part 3 - 4/28/2008 12:01:44 PM
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Sarah ~ If I haven't already said so (I know I was going to once already but I think that my computer was acting up and wouldn't post right then) I just love that adorable new avatar of yours...she is precious!
lol...thanks!!! That's our second child....oldest daughter...Hannah (7yo). She said last week that I hadn't had her up in a while so she made me take that pic just for you guys to see!!! She is so photogenic!!!!
Yes she is...quite a ham too I see 
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RE: Kicka, part 3 - 4/28/2008 9:55:52 PM
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There is a movie on netflix instant watch called Exodus Revealed that is all about the scientific proof that supports the exodus and red sea crossing. Its very good.
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RE: Kicka, part 3 - 4/29/2008 5:27:25 AM
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I'll check that guy on Wikipedia. Not always the best source but usually a good one. If there's anything controversial about him (other than that he supports scripture) it should be on there.
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RE: Kicka, part 3 - 4/29/2008 5:40:21 AM
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Here is something I found on his site. I'm thinking he was a nut. Just MHO but you'd think if he'd found the Ark of the Covenant, we'd have heard about it. He came up with excuses for not telling the location of it, he even had blurry photos of it which were all blurred by God? Puhleaze! I'm all for taking things on faith, but not from a con artist. I think that's what this man was. The stuff about the Red Sea crossing sounds neat and it might be real, but him finding the Ark of the Covenant? Don't think so. And if the information he found about the Red Sea is legit, it's just tainted by his other, more ridiculous claims.
Wikipedia even has a quote from The Garden Tomb Association of Jerusalem refuting his claim. Israel Antiquities Authority isn't very favorable of him either.
They also have links to people for and against him at the bottom of the page. I'm not taking the time to read them though.
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RE: Kicka, part 3 - 4/29/2008 12:43:47 PM
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thanks for doing that research, Thursdayschild.
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RE: Kicka, part 3 - 4/29/2008 1:19:46 PM
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Ohhhh right. I remember seeing that stuff too. Those photos are such a hoax. Anyways, I know what I believe and nothing anybody says will change that!
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RE: Kicka, part 3 - 4/29/2008 5:48:50 PM
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I believe there were enough eye-witnesses to verify the parting of the Red Sea.
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RE: Kicka, part 3 - 4/29/2008 7:27:06 PM
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SArah I used that info when I was debating God with a bunch of people and if I had taken a moment to research I wouldn't of looked like a fool. I always go to something like Answers in Genesis or something like that (there is another better site but I can't remember it now) and double check the info. There is like a checklist of things and people you are meant to stay clear of as they are a bit loopy or provide false evidence.
Something I wanted to ask...
You know how I asked a few months ago about the WOF thing? I totally believe its wrong and can see that, but now I am just wondering how much I have been taught and read in books was lies. I can't work out the truth from the things that are not true. I was reading this book on the WOF thing, it was a report into all of it and what Hagin etc said and I was like "yeah isn't that what the Bible says" but then they go on to say "no Hagin has it wrong". And so then I am confused.
So does anyone else feel this way sometimes, or has felt like this and what did you do about it? Will it just take time to get my head clear of that stuff. How can I know that I know the right things and not bits of stuff that is wrong?
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RE: Kicka, part 3 - 4/29/2008 8:33:46 PM
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I can't work out the truth from the things that are not true.
How can I know that I know the right things and not bits of stuff that is wrong?
Consider it pure joy, my brothers, whenever you face trials of many kinds, because you know that the testing of your faith develops perseverance. Perseverance must finish its work so that you may be mature and complete, not lacking anything. If any of you lacks wisdom, he should ask God, who gives generously to all without finding fault, and it will be given to him. But when he asks, he must believe and not doubt, because he who doubts is like a wave of the sea, blown and tossed by the wind. That man should not think he will receive anything from the Lord; he is a double-minded man, unstable in all he does. ~ James 1:2-8
I can only speak for myself, but I usually don't depend on "Bible study books" - I just read the Bible. Before I read, I pray specifically for wisdom and discernment, that I might be able to rightly divide (correctly understand) the Word of Truth. I also pray that if there's anything that I am misunderstanding, that God will show me the error of my thinking and show me what HE wants me to get out of it instead.
Now, to specifically answer your question about how do you know what (from another's teaching) lines up with the Word and what doesn't, a good place to start is - are they pulling single scriptures out from here and from there to "prove" a point they're trying to make? Or does the point they're trying to get across flow with the context of the whole passage around the scriptures they are using? If it's the former, I am very cautious and make sure to do my own studying and reading to see if what they are saying really lines up with scripture. That's not to say it always ends up being a false teaching, but it gives you a good place to start.
Another thing I look for is are they focusing on what GOD "wants" to do for ME, or on what WE need to be doing for GOD? Because God is not some genie up in the sky just waiting for me to say some magic words and make a wish so he can grant it. I am here to serve HIM, not the other way around. And the Bible never promises that we're going to have things easy here on earth because we're Christians - quite the opposite in fact. So any teaching that tries to push some sort of earthly utopia, I am very wary of.
I would say more, but the kids are clamoring around and I can't concentrate very well right now.
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RE: Kicka, part 3 - 4/29/2008 9:32:59 PM
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Nicole, the best way is to be regularly reading the Bible--reading systematically from cover to cover, over and over again. As you do that, you will begin to understand the character of God and will be better able to gauge what lines up with what he says about himself, us and the world and what he doesn't. I know that's a long-range project but it's never too late to start. What Danas_Mom said is something you can be doing in the short term. It was good advice.
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RE: Kicka, part 3 - 4/29/2008 10:00:22 PM
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Thanks for the advice.
I am just a bit concerned. I found some stuff online about my Pastors family (nothing on my pastor himself) and the executives of the denomination I belong to and I don't know what to believe. Are these people just saying these things because they are bitter about something, or is there truth? I really don't know what to think. I don't know what to do. How are you meant to know the truth about something if they deny it but someone else says its true, it appears to be gossip and heresay but who knows if there is some element of truth. And teachings about things too, what if I don't believe some of what the church teaches, I read that some ppl were kicked out of their churches because of it. I dont think my church in particular fully believes or teaches things I don't agree with but then again sometimes it could do but I don't know it. I am worried that I am being led astray or am I reading too much about things on the internet?
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RE: Kicka, part 3 - 4/29/2008 10:09:06 PM
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Someone here in these forums has a signature quoting someone else as saying, "Even if someone walks on water, someone will find fault with him." It doesn't matter what you believe or what church you attend, someone will have something negative to say about it. Going online to check the veracity of your denomination is not the best way to be sure. Again, this where systematically reading the Bible will help because as you read, you'll be able to evaluate for yourself whether your church is teaching what is right or not. Start with Matthew and read through the New Testament. Then go to Genesis and start reading--even the boring parts--right through to the New Testament again. And yes, that will take time. In the meantime, is there any Christian you know who impresses you as being a woman (or man) of God? Pray about this. Perhaps God will lead you to share your concerns with that person and get some feedback until you're more certain about what God is saying himself. It is good that you want to know the truth. Keep seeking it and asking God to show you what the truth is. God honours prayers like that and will grant your request.
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RE: Kicka, part 3 - 4/29/2008 10:44:18 PM
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Thanks Ryanne I did
Thanks Maggie. I will pray about who to ask I think, I dont want to be accused of gossiping etc Thanks for your prayers and advice!!
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RE: Kicka, part 3 - 4/30/2008 2:44:06 AM
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I believe there were enough eye-witnesses to verify the parting of the Red Sea.
Yup! Nuf said.
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Something I wanted to ask...
You know how I asked a few months ago about the WOF thing? I totally believe its wrong and can see that, but now I am just wondering how much I have been taught and read in books was lies. I can't work out the truth from the things that are not true. I was reading this book on the WOF thing, it was a report into all of it and what Hagin etc said and I was like "yeah isn't that what the Bible says" but then they go on to say "no Hagin has it wrong". And so then I am confused.
So does anyone else feel this way sometimes, or has felt like this and what did you do about it? Will it just take time to get my head clear of that stuff. How can I know that I know the right things and not bits of stuff that is wrong?
That's what they were talking about on that program I posted about a couple of days ago. They were talking about how this is basically a form of gnosticism-lite. Anything that has you focusing on what a good person you are instead of the sinful creature you are (ergo, you need Christ), anything that has a "secret" way to make your life happier, healthier, etc. You might try listening to them. They're entertaining to say the least. And for all their arguments they pull out scripture...nothing like using scripture to interpret scripture.
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Nicole, the best way is to be regularly reading the Bible--reading systematically from cover to cover, over and over again. As you do that, you will begin to understand the character of God and will be better able to gauge what lines up with what he says about himself, us and the world and what he doesn't. I know that's a long-range project but it's never too late to start. What Danas_Mom said is something you can be doing in the short term. It was good advice.
John MacArthur recommends reading a book from the NT everyday for a month. Start with a short book, like 1 John, and follow it with the first 3rd of the Gospel of John, then the 2nd third, etc., then a short book, then divide up a longer book, etc. It'll take you about 2 years but you'll know where to find the references you're looking for most of the time. Always use the same copy of the Bible so you can picture the pages, etc. so use your favorite. I bought a new one since I found the notes in my study Bible too distracting. Plus it's huge. I wanted to be able to carry it with me.
Well, I'm off to grade papers. What joy!
Have a nice day, ladies.
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