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RE: Kicka, part 3 - 8/4/2008 11:51:13 PM
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Curious....was that at St. John's?
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RE: Kicka, part 3 - 8/4/2008 11:58:42 PM
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Not related to the current topic, but I'm listening to a really neat broadcast >here< at Family Life. Its the story of a couple where the husband woke up after a bout of meningitis with NO memory of anything. He basically had to be taught everything as you would teach a baby. Very interesting. I think today is the first day of 3 for this broadcast series.
I don't want to play the "well I could never handle that" game, because I really believe that with God's help we handle what we're given. I just thought this brought a whole new meaning to "for better or for worse".
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RE: Kicka, part 3 - 8/5/2008 12:38:58 AM
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Stacy that would be hard wouldn't it on both the husband and the wife. I can't even imagine what it would be like to forget everything and have to relearn it. A very dear friend of mine's mother is experiencing some memory loss at the moment, its possibly a tumor, and its heartbreaking to hear the stories she has to tell about what happened that day. I remember my Grandad too who had a brain tumor, while he didn't remember how to eat and such, he did remember people and things that were going on. It certainly was for better or worse for my grandparents marriage, my Nanna did a great job being by his side til the end.
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RE: Kicka, part 3 - 8/5/2008 3:46:58 AM
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I think it was either Focus on the Family or Family Life (I think the former) where they interviewed a mom who's son had fallen from the top bunk of the bunk bed and was brain damaged after that. It got to be where he had to be institutionalized because he was so violent. To pick him up and bring him home for a weekend, they had to bundle up in winter coats, with hats, scarves, gloves, etc. (even in the middle of summer) because if they didn't, he would hurt them if their flesh was exposed. He would bite, scratch, hit, very violent. He couldn't control it due to the brain damage. He also died as a young adult as a result. The brother who'd called their parents in when he fell ended up blaming himself. If he hadn't called them in, then maybe he would have died and they wouldn't have had to go through this. It was so sad. I'll never forget that story (even if I do get fuzzy on the details).
Back to doctrine, etc.
The church I was raised in merged 20 years ago (Jeanie, I wonder which of the 3 you were  ). As time goes by I'm less and less happy with it. However, over the last few months I've gotten active with an online community from a more conservative synod of this denomination. I've really felt myself becoming more and more what I've always been. I feel I'm learning more than I did when I went through the catechism (not hard when you consider how they did it at my church back then). To me, doctrine is all important. It should be the gospel in a nutshell.
Luther said to use scripture to prove scripture. If the church and it's doctrine isn't doing that, it's not doing it's job right.
There are things I won't settle on. The church must be Trinitarian. If it's not, it's not Christian, it's something else. It must believe that Christ is present in the Eucharist. (Not the RC notion that the bread and wine actually turns into Christ's body and blood, but that He's truly present in it.) The Lord's Supper is not a memorial, it's actually a means of grace, along with baptism. While believer's baptism is fine for those not raised in the church, they must baptize infants. That's Scriptural and therefore nonnegotiable.
That being said, I'm living overseas and there aren't any churches here from my denomination (either the liberal one I'm from or the conservative one I'm leaning toward). In Kuwait I attend an Anglican church and here we're visiting, I think, Church of God. I wouldn't join the one here. We don't agree on enough doctrine. But for a place to attend in the summer where they're willing to translate for us, that's fine. We're not making a commitment, we're just praying and worshipping together. I'm not raising my children in it. There's another church in the other direction and the pastor said someone could translate for me. I haven't attended yet because I keep forgetting to make a dry run before Sunday morning. Doctrinally I not in agreement with them, but much more so than the one we're visiting. In this case, I just have to settle for the one that's closest. And with the internet I have great resources for teaching my children.
OK, that was my turn to ramble. 
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RE: Kicka, part 3 - 8/5/2008 3:59:28 AM
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The Lord's Supper is not a memorial, it's actually a means of grace, along with baptism. While believer's baptism is fine for those not raised in the church, they must baptize infants. That's Scriptural and therefore nonnegotiable.
I'm just curious as to what Scriptures you look to to for Communion and Baptism of Infants being a "means of grace". Not intending to debate the actual matter, as that would be off-topic, but would be interested to know what you're looking at.
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RE: Kicka, part 3 - 8/5/2008 4:18:16 PM
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I thought of Kicka during the sermon Sunday. You can download the 8/3/2008 sermon from this webpage.
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RE: Kicka, part 3 - 8/5/2008 4:52:52 PM
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Curious....was that at St. John's?
Yes, it was. The services are open to the public and are an experience worth having. The college bookstore is awesome too.
Wow, Stacy, that would be a very difficult thing to go through--for both husband and wife. Although, if, as the wife, you are the teacher, there could be some pluses. You could teach him all your ways of doing things--putting the seat down on the toilet, how you want the laundry folded, etc. (okay, bad humour but I couldn't resist)
My cousin broke his neck and had to relearn to do everything physical (I think his mind was okay--it was at least when I finally got around to visiting him in the hospital)--eating, writing, walking. Now, 29 years later, you'd never know. But it was hard on his wife. They had a toddler at the time and he was in rehab for close to a year.
ThursdaysChild and PeculiarLady, those are such sad stories.
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While believer's baptism is fine for those not raised in the church, they must baptize infants. That's Scriptural and therefore nonnegotiable.
I'm curious. What's the Scriptural basis for infant baptism?
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RE: Kicka, part 3 - 8/5/2008 9:46:02 PM
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While believer's baptism is fine for those not raised in the church, they must baptize infants. That's Scriptural and therefore nonnegotiable.
The Anglican church states that infant baptism is an "agreeable" practice; not a requirement.
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RE: Kicka, part 3 - 8/6/2008 12:04:34 AM
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I didn't realize that, Myka. Thanks for the info.
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RE: Kicka, part 3 - 8/6/2008 3:19:35 AM
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<had to look up LCA and first found London College of Accountancy, Last Chance for Animals, and Life Cycle Assessment>
<then entered LCA Church and found what it actually was! lol>
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RE: Kicka, part 3 - 8/6/2008 7:54:56 AM
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LOL
Yep, LCA hasn't been around for quite a while.
Jeannie, we were LCA. My grandfather was a Lutheran pastor. He started off Augustana synod which merged with something or other and became ALC. But after he retired he was bored. There was a tiny LCMS congregation that was too small to afford a full-time pastor but too stubborn to give up trying to get one. So he preached there until he died. He died on a Sunday and they read part of his sermon for that day at his funeral.
OK, I just found this website. It's a Christian version of The Onion (which I've never read, I don't think). Anyway I found this article and thought, "KICKA!"
MySpace gives pastor "prophetic" edga
I have mixed feelings. He has as much right to visit people's blogs as anyone else in cyberspace. If we don't want people to know what we do in our free time we shouldn't post it on the internet. {duh} But, IMO, he's being very misleading. My fist reaction was to laugh and think good for him. I still lean more that way. He's not invading anyone's privacy. But should he be letting them think he's being nudged by the Holy Spirit?
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RE: Kicka, part 3 - 8/6/2008 9:02:22 AM
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OK, I just found this website. It's a Christian version of The Onion (which I've never read, I don't think). Anyway I found this article and thought, "KICKA!"
MySpace gives pastor "prophetic" edga
I have mixed feelings. He has as much right to visit people's blogs as anyone else in cyberspace. If we don't want people to know what we do in our free time we shouldn't post it on the internet. {duh} But, IMO, he's being very misleading. My fist reaction was to laugh and think good for him. I still lean more that way. He's not invading anyone's privacy. But should he be letting them think he's being nudged by the Holy Spirit?
Pssssssssssst Thursday's Child!!! Lark News is ENTIRELY fictional!!!
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RE: Kicka, part 3 - 8/6/2008 10:09:45 AM
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The Onion is satire. None of it is true. So if it's a christian parody website they are just joke articles.
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RE: Kicka, part 3 - 8/6/2008 2:19:05 PM
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Well, pooey!
Well, back to the drawing bored! LOL
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RE: Kicka, part 3 - 8/6/2008 8:40:30 PM
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The topic is pretty interesting though. Our pastor has been known tailor his sermons to things that he knows people are struggling with (but without actually calling them out or making it extremely obvious.)
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RE: Kicka, part 3 - 8/6/2008 9:02:57 PM
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Well, pooey!
Well, back to the drawing bored! LOL
Not necessarily! Maybe you didn't see the question that magdaleine and I asked you? <points up>
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RE: Kicka, part 3 - 8/6/2008 9:57:23 PM
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I thought the article was sort of funny.
Its been said before, but bears repeating- ANYTHING you put on the internet is public, and can be found and read by ANYONE. HR people doing hiring routinely google a person's name before making hiring decisions.
As for a pastor tailoring his message to his congregation, isn't that part of him shepherding his flock? If a pastor didn't speak to issues that people actually struggle with, I'd be tempted to say he was out of touch with is congregation.
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RE: Kicka, part 3 - 8/7/2008 2:43:39 AM
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Good point, Stacy. Even though this story was a satire, I'm sure there are pastors who do keep up with members of their congregations through Facebook, blogs, etc. If you know various people are dealing with certain issues, it makes sense to address them during a sermon. I know some pastors must be in a tough spot. Due to counselling various memebers they must feel a great need to address a certain topic but find it hard to do so tactfully, without making people feel as if what they say to him is open for publication. However, if it's something that comes up in someone's blog, even if it's discussed in counselling, that's different. (I'm not sure I got that out like I meant to. Sorry.)
Manda- I'm not ignoring your questions. I'm just not sure if I want to address it here. I know we tackle controversial topics here but I'm pretty sure there's probably a thread somewhere in the forums dealing with infant vs. believer's baptism. I made the comments regarding what criteria I look for when looking for a church. Someone else had posted that the church they joined needed to practice believer's baptism. I merely posted that it needed to practice infant baptism for me to join. It was not intended to start a new discussion. However, when I have a chance I'll gladly send you a PM.
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RE: Kicka, part 3 - 8/7/2008 4:54:21 AM
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Manda- I'm not ignoring your questions. I'm just not sure if I want to address it here....It was not intended to start a new discussion. However, when I have a chance I'll gladly send you a PM.
There's no need to do it by pm - feel free to post it here! We're allowed to ask information and state beliefs/opinions here, so long as it doesn't turn into a debate/discussion (which I won't, and I am sure Magdaleine won't either). But just asking questions and posting verses is just fine.
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RE: Kicka, part 3 - 8/8/2008 12:28:04 AM
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I've been interested in that response too, so please do post it here. :)
I don't know enough about infant baptism to be for or against it.
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RE: Kicka, part 3 - 8/8/2008 7:53:19 AM
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While believer's baptism is fine for those not raised in the church, they must baptize infants. That's Scriptural and therefore nonnegotiable.
I would be curious to know the scripture that states a infant must be baptized...never heard that.
I was raised/currently attend an Assemblies of God church. We do baby dedications, which we did Hunter's when he was 3 months old. It is a simple ceremony in which we make a commitment before the Lord and congregation that we will do everything in our ability to raise the child to know the Lord. Leading by example, praying for them, bringing them to church, and teaching them about the Lord. In the Assemblies of God we do believer's baptism, not infant.
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RE: Kicka, part 3 - 8/8/2008 8:27:37 AM
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The church I was raised in did infants baptism, and thus I was baptised then. The church I am in now does believer's baptism. I am one of those people who got baptised again because I felt that the first baptism, I had not part in and it didn't express my desire to follow Christ, but my parents desire for me. My second baptism was my putting my old self to death and being born again in Christ.
I am also interested in seeing scripture, or hearing the reason why churches do infant baptism. I'm not looking to debate or argue but to read it for myself.
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