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RE: Help please...I do not believe anymore - 3/26/2008 4:55:12 PM
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zion7777777
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Rcjames, if you r trying to help, i would humbly ask you to stop, I know your response will be, its not me you are offended with, its the word of God... When i am reaching out in tourmoil, just as your first comment to me, you seem to be insensitive and arogant........
I really appreciate your words benelchi and Jhud (what you said, really makes sense, thank you)
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RE: Help please...I do not believe anymore - 3/26/2008 5:09:43 PM
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Jeff- I just wanted to say that I'm thinking about you in this difficult time. I can't really help you believe again because when the same thing happened to me I lost my faith as well and it has not returned. It took six months for me to be at peace with being an ex-Christian, but finally the hurt, anger and confusion died in me. I just hope that you get to the point where you find peace with yourself too, whether you do find faith again or don't. I've been where you are and know how hard this is for you. 2 years later, I'm still pretending to be Christian to my family, and I know how hard it is to live a lie as well. I just wanted you to know that I have been where you are and that you are in my thoughts today.
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RE: Help please...I do not believe anymore - 3/26/2008 5:11:19 PM
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if it is eaiser or you feel it is safer, you can go to the website of my store and click the email address there, as i said before, the store closed this december so the phone #s are no longer connected...
www.annapolischristianbookstore.com
Either way, I just hope to get this all sorted out...the truth will prevail and i am seeking the TRUTH... Again, thank you all for the prayers.
Part of the problem is that you appear to have seen this video right after having a rough time keeping a store open... which would hae put you into a very stressful position and more vulnerable because of it.
The other problem is that you probably have had a LOT of experience with Christians that were less than kind and less that cooperative. I see that kind of behaviour all the time in the Christian book Store that I visit. It can't be easy to face this day after day and especially as the store begins to fail.
And, from the background that you gave as to your affiliations I'm guessing that your background taught you that if you just have enough faith and do the right things God HAS to come to your rescue... and, He didn't. The store closed.
Nothing shakes faith like praying for something and BELIEVING so intensely in the fact that your faith will prevail, only to NOT get the answer you desired. It's just SO contrary to what so many teach should happen when we have great FAITH. But, all too often we fail to realize that Jesus never called us to have faith in FAITH. He called us to have faith in His ultimate love for us... over the LONG haul. Remember, many of the Apostles DIED at the hands of Christ's enemies. But, like Jesus, they have eternal life. Eternity is a long, long time.
The problem, it appears to me, isn't your faith. Perhaps it is the THEOLOGY you were taught in Bible College. Not knowing which Bible College you attended that put you in a position to be severely disappointed when your prayers weren't answered as you'd like, I can't say for sure.
I think it would help to get a different perspective on prayer and our relationship with God. Take a look at "Cat & Dog Theology" by Sogren. Here are some free online videos that introduce the Cat & Dog concept.
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RE: Help please...I do not believe anymore - 3/26/2008 6:01:40 PM
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I read this prayer and some of the answers back and when I read that you watched this video I really feel like that was definitely satans plan...You were angry when you watched it and tlaking about holy spirit being magical ghosts. We are not suppose to belive in magic or ghosts anyway as christians.
That is the first thing that would have raised a RED FLAG to me, so now when u said u watched it and got angry and now you doubt God exists...That was satans entire plan, to get u to watch that video knowing u didn't believe that video, so now he has planted doubt in your mind and has clouded your clear thinking knowing how strong you were in the Lord. I think this is a test for you and a test of your faith...I am so sorry you are going through this I really am...
I pray for you that you find comfort and strength and guidance in the Lord. I pray that if you ask him to send you something solid to prove that he does exist, that he give you what you need. I ask for a devine intervention here and that satan be cast away from you, that God protect you from his lies...
I am praying for you....kc
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RE: Help please...I do not believe anymore - 3/26/2008 6:44:57 PM
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basically, as i studied to find the truth, I came to a realization and had an epiphany that the story of Jesus is just a story like Greek Mythology. Its like my eyes are so open now and i understand more than ever before...
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Either My eyes have really been open and I can see the truth or Satan has really pulled a fast one on me
I haven't read the other posts, so I may be repeating others.
This is what has happened, and you are not the only one.
When we "seek" truth, many times we encounter the "angel of light."
Lucifer = shining one.
So, yes, he has done a number on you.
And, no, there is something you can do about it.
Not only can he illuminate us in false light, but he
is also the "father" of all lies.
The lie is that you cannot do anything about it.
We can always "repent" and ask God to cleanse us
from all unrighteousness. But, the choice is still what
you make it.
God Bless You.
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RE: Help please...I do not believe anymore - 3/26/2008 7:31:57 PM
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Quote by TMeeks
They completely ignore the fact that those who claimed to have seen Jesus DIED for that claim without ever recanting. Let me repeat that for you. Those who saw Jesus after the resurrection DIED still insisting that they HAD, in fact, seen him and they died AS A DIRECT RESULT OF THAT CLAIM.
I couldn't agree more TMeeks, I can't tell you the number of times I've heard my pastor say (regarding the apostles) "People will die for a lie, if they don't know it's a lie. But they will not die for a lie when they know it's a lie. Someone would have squealed."
Zion, I'm *so* sorry your going through a difficult time spiritually and professionally. You've received awesome advice, and best of all the love, prayers, and support of the Christians here. You are in my prayers as well.
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RE: Help please...I do not believe anymore - 3/26/2008 7:40:58 PM
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RedcoatMello, just wanted to let you know that I am praying for you, too.
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RE: Help please...I do not believe anymore - 3/26/2008 7:43:51 PM
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Rcjames, if you r trying to help, i would humbly ask you to stop, I know your response will be, its not me you are offended with, its the word of God... When i am reaching out in tourmoil, just as your first comment to me, you seem to be insensitive and arogant........
My point in case you missed it is that a person who is a Christian for nearly 20 years (serving God, believeing the the Scripture are the very Word of God and there is no error in them, accecpting of the forgiveness for all sins, being ministered to by the Holy Ghost) you know a standard run of the mill Christian; cannot have their faith shipwrecked and bankrupt by watching a movie or reading a book. Just cannot happen.
So I suggest that a person that a movie or a book can pull away from God was never his to begin with. That person was something, but was not a Child of God. And that that person was soon going to run into this passage;
(Mat 7:21) Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
(Mat 7:22) Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
(Mat 7:23) And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
So praise God that maybe, just maybe you can now come to the knowledge of the truth before it is too late.
Thanks
RC
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RE: Help please...I do not believe anymore - 3/26/2008 7:47:10 PM
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PraisingHeart
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Yes RedcoatMello, I'll be praying too! (I'm a Bull Dog fan as well :)
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RE: Help please...I do not believe anymore - 3/26/2008 8:49:25 PM
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Me, too 'Redcoatmello'--I'm praying for you, as well! The enemy has really been on a rampage, hasn't he!!!
His time must be getting really short!
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RE: Help please...I do not believe anymore - 3/26/2008 8:58:04 PM
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I go to this website, and listen to a lot of podcasts which helped me when I was wrestling with the same question as you. YOu can watch some of the video resources, and all the articles that they've written. I specially like the podcasts.
www.str.org
I also study just about anything I can get my hands on. If it would help, I think studying other world views and comparing them to Christianity, will help you to see which is more reasonable to believe. There is no point trying to convince yourself about believing in God, because deep inside, I think you do. But there's some questions that you need to wrestle with in order for you to feel at peace. I think GOd honors our sincere question. What people forget is, if there is a loving God, He would be much bigger, more loving than we can ever be. Your questions wouldn't threaten Him. So, go to God with your questions, then study. Either way, if you really don't believe it, you better have a good reason to not believe, just as we as believers better know why we believe.
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RE: Help please...I do not believe anymore - 3/27/2008 12:02:21 AM
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Skippy14
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My point in case you missed it is that a person who is a Christian for nearly 20 years (serving God, believeing the the Scripture are the very Word of God and there is no error in them, accecpting of the forgiveness for all sins, being ministered to by the Holy Ghost) you know a standard run of the mill Christian; cannot have their faith shipwrecked and bankrupt by watching a movie or reading a book. Just cannot happen.
So I suggest that a person that a movie or a book can pull away from God was never his to begin with. That person was something, but was not a Child of God. And that that person was soon going to run into this passage;
(Mat 7:21) Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
(Mat 7:22) Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
(Mat 7:23) And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
So praise God that maybe, just maybe you can now come to the knowledge of the truth before it is too late.
Thanks
RC
It seems to me that if someone is struggling with their faith and is willing to reach out for help to re-establish it, the last thing you want to do is to tell them that their life up to this point has been wasteful and that something horrible may come of all of this. To me, it's pretty obvious that Zion is struggling here. It's obvious to me that the willingness to believe still exists and that he understands the turmoil that comes from disbelief. I think I agree with Zion that you would be better off not saying anything here, as I find this comment in particular doing nothing more than upsetting him.
Zion, the "make or break" event of Christianity is the resurrection of Jesus. It is the very foundation of Christianity and although it is a single event, its truthfulness would prove Christianity to be true. Jesus' resurrection was the greatest miracle of all the miracles that reportedly happened in his life.
Consider these facts. I call them facts because almost all historians, even those who don't believe in Christianity, know them to be true.
- Jesus died on the cross by crucifixion.
- (I suppose I should also mention that Jesus was, for sure, 100%, a real guy. I don't know where you got the idea that he might just be made up out of thin air, but you'd be going against the opinion of critical scholars, believers and unbelievers alike, who have studied this. He lived!)
- All 12 disciples believed that Jesus rose from the dead.
- Paul, once a non-believer, was converted to Christianity as a result of the resurrection.
- James, Jesus' brother, was a skeptic before the resurrection and a believer after it.
- The tomb in which Jesus was placed was empty.
Diving into this last fact a little more, let me explain why it should be considered a fact. The enemies of Jesus should have been able to do something quite simple to prove that he wasn't resurrected: they could show the public Jesus' body, especially his body in the tomb! What reason would Jesus' enemies have for removing his body and destroying it? Remember, almost all critical scholars, Christian and un-Christian alike, say that it's 100% fact that Jesus lived and was crucified on the cross, so we shouldn't even consider the possibility that there wasn't a tomb where a guy named Jesus would have been. There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that the enemies of Jesus ever tried to quell the uprising of Christianity by showing his body or showing a full tomb.
What historians have found is accusations against the disciples that they stole the body. An interesting accusation to make if that tomb had been full, eh?
As for whether the disciples DID steal the body, well then explain how all 12 disciples spent the rest of their days attesting to the truthfulness of Christianity and even went to their deaths (excruciating deaths, in most cases!) without ever saying "ok ok ok, I stole the body, I'm making this up!" It was reported that some disciples, even after being crucified themselves, were still preaching while suffering their extremely torturous death!
And if Paul, who was an opponent of the church AFTER Christ's death and resurrection, converted to Christianity on the basis of some clever ploy by the disciples, does that really strike you as a great way to motivate someone to write half of the New Testament, much of which is jaw-droppingly stunning and life-changing if you ask me? Paul's writings are AMAZING. This is a man who once hated and persecuted Christians, but we are supposed to believe that he converted into a man who understood Christian faith extremely well on the basis of a conspiracy? I wouldn't believe it.
There is lots of evidence out there to back up the truthfulness of the New Testament, Jesus' life, etc etc etc. In particular, I would recommend The Case for the Resurrection of Jesus by Gary Habermas and Michael Licona, a book that helped me when I too thought that Christianity could be a big lie. I had no idea that I was in the total scholastic minority when I thought that Jesus might not even be for real. Put to bed any notion that he didn't live. Because he did. He did for sure.
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RE: Help please...I do not believe anymore - 3/27/2008 10:12:22 AM
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I don't think you all need to be so offended by Bro. RC's posts. He's been in the ministry a long time and on these boards a long time. He doesn't waste words and simply gets to the heart of the matter. If someone who has spent years doing churchianity things and after simply watching a video or reading a book decides that Christianity was all a big fat lie then they very well may not have ever had a personal relationship with Jesus.
I do understand where the OP is coming from as I have been going through a true sifting of my faith in the last year or so. I have had my doubts but I kept coming back to all of the ways that God has worked in my life. I understand what Bro. RC is saying. Deep down I simply could not stop believing. God wouldn't let me. Isn't it better to be confronted with the truth about still being lost than to have your hand patted and everyone says there there it's okay while you are on the way to hell?
You want to hear blunt and to the point on this issue listen to Paul Washer's sermons. Here is a sermon that deals with this topic. Please take the time to listen if you are doubting.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuabITeO4l8
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RE: Help please...I do not believe anymore - 3/27/2008 10:56:15 AM
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It seems to me that if someone is struggling with their faith and is willing to reach out for help to re-establish it, the last thing you want to do is to tell them that their life up to this point has been wasteful and that something horrible may come of all of this.
The thing people need to know is the truth.
There is a big big difference between struggling and down right rejecting the Faith and walking off from it.
We all should consider what Hebrews says about this;
(Heb 6:4) For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
(Heb 6:5) And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
(Heb 6:6) If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
Thanks
RC
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RE: Help please...I do not believe anymore - 3/27/2008 11:20:50 AM
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hi Zion,
I don't think what you are going through is nonsense at all. IMO doubt is part and parcel of the faith walk. Without doubt, we would have no need of faith. Two sides of the same coin. I don't believe God expects us to shut our brains off when we enter church. My advice would be to ignore the naysayers-no sense pretending or trying to force yourself to believe. It doesn't work. IMO if God is God, surely he can handle those who question. (Any Questions? Ask Thomas.  )
Since you like to study, let me recommend a couple of books that helped me in my darkest moments of doubt.
The Language of God. A Scientist Presents Evidence for Belief. This is written by Francis Collins, A prominent Scientist and Head of the Human Genome Project. He's a former atheist-now a believer, BTW.
Finding God in the Questions. This is written by Dr. Timothy Johnson (yes-the ABC doctor, who also happens to be an ordained minister.)
Rescuing the Bible from Fundamentalism. Note-Bishop Spong is highly controversial, and takes some things a bit too far IMO, but also makes a good case for belief in God in spite of the inability to honestly maintain a fundamentalist position.
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RE: Help please...I do not believe anymore - 3/27/2008 11:53:16 AM
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I would not recommend Spong to someone who is in a crisis of faith. He basically denies all tenets of orthodox Christianity.
More repudiation of Spong here.
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RE: Help please...I do not believe anymore - 3/27/2008 12:08:18 PM
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Hi Steph,
While I agree Spong is controversial, if Zion here is questioning, it's likely he/she will stumble across Spong anyway, as I did. Sticking our fingers in our ears and singing lah lah lah go away you filthy heretic doesn't hold much weight for those really questioning literalism and/or bordering on Atheism. I speak from experience. Though good on you to post an opposing position. If one is truly has an open mind, and is seeking God, they will be open to learning both sides of an argument.
As I said before, I think God can take it. 
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RE: Help please...I do not believe anymore - 3/27/2008 12:10:46 PM
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Hi Steph,
While I agree Spong is controversial, if Zion here is questioning, it's likely he/she will stumble across Spong anyway, as I did. Sticking our fingers in our ears and singing lah lah lah go away you filthy heretic doesn't hold much weight for those really questioning literalism and/or bordering on Atheism. Though good on you to post an opposing position. If one is truly has an open mind, and is seeking God, they will be open to learning both sides of an argument.
As I sais before, I think God can take it.
Well God certainly can take it, but if one is attempting to equip oneself with a solid reasoning to base one's faith on, one doesn't start with faulty equipment.
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RE: Help please...I do not believe anymore - 3/27/2008 12:18:33 PM
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Hi Jack,
Good point. I didn't take Spong too far any more than I took the scare tactic of "you're gonna burn in hell for all eternity if you don't take every word of this book literally" too far. Either way Zion-As I warned you, Spong is controversial, but I found him helpful. Take it or leave it-those other 2 books I recommended are excellent and will be less likely to incite the villagers with pitchforks. 
Zion-How is your church handling this? Have your brothers and sisters been helpful? What of your Pastor?
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RE: Help please...I do not believe anymore - 3/27/2008 12:24:07 PM
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Hi Steph,
While I agree Spong is controversial, if Zion here is questioning, it's likely he/she will stumble across Spong anyway, as I did. Sticking our fingers in our ears and singing lah lah lah go away you filthy heretic doesn't hold much weight for those really questioning literalism and/or bordering on Atheism. I speak from experience. Though good on you to post an opposing position. If one is truly has an open mind, and is seeking God, they will be open to learning both sides of an argument.
As I said before, I think God can take it.
God can take it but can Zion?
Here's a link to a christian apologetics site that may help with the confusion.
http://www.carm.org/evidence.htm
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RE: Help please...I do not believe anymore - 3/27/2008 12:25:04 PM
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ORIGINAL: Skippy14
It seems to me that if someone is struggling with their faith and is willing to reach out for help to re-establish it, the last thing you want to do is to tell them that their life up to this point has been wasteful and that something horrible may come of all of this.
The thing people need to know is the truth.
There is a big big difference between struggling and down right rejecting the Faith and walking off from it.
We all should consider what Hebrews says about this;
(Heb 6:4) For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
(Heb 6:5) And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
(Heb 6:6) If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
Thanks
RC
What RC has shared is a distinct possibility and something I believe should be considered by the OP. If he truly desires to come/come back to the Lord, he needs to put down his defenses and be open to consider anything that could have led him to this alarming point.
Straight talk is often hard to hear, but cannot be ruled out for that reason.
Edited for spelling error because I just couldn't stand it any longer! 
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RE: Help please...I do not believe anymore - 3/27/2008 1:29:01 PM
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Here's another view from Matthew about how to tell who's getting in .....From Matthew 25
34"Then the King will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.'
37"Then the righteous will answer him, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?'
40"The King will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.'
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RE: Help please...I do not believe anymore - 3/27/2008 1:33:09 PM
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HisLamb26
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zion,
I would also like to encourage you...recall that without a tomb there can be no resurrection. Though there may indeed be transformation of your faith in the process. Looking back on my dark night of the soul, and finally coming out on the other side of it...I can honestly say it has been painful but fertile ground.
Hang in there! Don't give up on God-He hasn't given up on you.
If you want to talk off the board, feel free to drop me a note.
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RE: Help please...I do not believe anymore - 3/27/2008 1:35:26 PM
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HisLamb26
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Here's a link to a christian apologetics site that may help with the confusion.
If Zion has been to bible school, I'm sure he has been trained in apologetics.
< Message edited by HisLamb26 -- 3/27/2008 1:41:49 PM >
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RE: Help please...I do not believe anymore - 3/27/2008 1:45:15 PM
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benelchi
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ORIGINAL: HisLamb26
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Here's a link to a christian apologetics site that may help with the confusion.
If Zion has been to bible school, I'm sure he has been trained in apologetics.
Unfortunately this is way too often not the case, and even those who are trained in apologetics should keep current. The earlier Stand to reason link is a very good resource, as is rzim.org.
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