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RE: What is the worst thing to happen to Christanity? - 3/29/2008 9:50:37 PM
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colliefan
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Moving from a community mindet to an individual mindset. Focus on making a personal decision for Christ instead of by that decision, and after a period of being discipled joining the community.
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RE: What is the worst thing to happen to Christanity? - 3/30/2008 10:18:27 AM
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We also weren't getting killed & tortured any more - all things considered that's a good thing.)
What book did you stop reading? It has not stop in fact if you didn't agree with the so-called church of that day you were torchered to great extremes. Let us not forget that we as humans think this; if you don't agree with me, then the off to eternity you must go.
I was speaking in terms of Constantine's empire. The legalization of Christianity did bring an end to a lot of the killing in that time and location. A lot of the violence did decline after Constantine. Yes, the institutional church did do it's best to take up the slack, but the wholesale governmental persecution did end.
Also, the "What book did you stop reading?" comment was a bit offensive. Chill dude.
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RE: What is the worst thing to happen to Christanity? - 3/30/2008 10:21:11 AM
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The persecution that the early Christians underwent and that stopped with Constantine was a good thing because we weren't being killed anymore? There are Christians being killed around the world now. The Church has always thrived under persecution.
Yes, when killing stops, that's a good thing ;)
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RE: What is the worst thing to happen to Christanity? - 3/30/2008 4:44:20 PM
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Lately it has been an entire generation of Christians that for them the Bible, Salvation is not enough. So they gather teachers that scratch their itching ears with New Age and Pantheistic teachings packaged and repackaged for Christian consumption.
And this generation is swallowing it whole and asking for more....
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RE: What is the worst thing to happen to Christanity? - 3/30/2008 6:56:24 PM
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So true Earthless
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RE: What is the worst thing to happen to Christanity? - 3/30/2008 8:00:06 PM
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RE: What is the worst thing to happen to Christanity? - 3/30/2008 10:02:14 PM
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Man centered Gospel instaed of God centered Gospel in the churches
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RE: What is the worst thing to happen to Christanity? - 3/30/2008 11:31:59 PM
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colliefan
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The need to be entertained rather than edified. Not teaching exegetical skills.
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RE: What is the worst thing to happen to Christanity? - 3/31/2008 2:12:40 AM
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Man centered Gospel instaed of God centered Gospel in the churches
Shalom
Beautiful!Every false doctrine elevates man and does the opposite to the Lord.
A desire to be more like the World and not Christ has been very destructive to the idea of what true Christianity is.That has lead to every sort of false doctrine that caims to be Christianity.
That has lead men to study men and the world rather than the Word of God for what it is and in doing so have caused great harm.
But in this,I will claim bodly that though the Church of Christ is full of sin and so forth it is Holy,Righteous and everything the Lord intended for it to be simply because It pleased the Lord to sanctify us.The probem is that what many believe to be the Church is not Church!
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RE: What is the worst thing to happen to Christanity? - 3/31/2008 2:55:43 PM
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GroupW,
I apolgized for my comments on that. But again you have to even look at today. I don't know what country you live in . But go to a Muslim country and you pay a tax to stay there from getting persecuted. A country which I get upset with USA doing even business with and that's communist Red China and Vietnam. People are persucuted for their beliefs. Country after country, in fact the majority of nations in some regard will persecute a person for the way they live.
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RE: What is the worst thing to happen to Christanity? - 3/31/2008 3:07:29 PM
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I am going to say losing our concept of God as all-powerful. Oh, we say that he's all-powerful, but I don't think we believe it anymore. We think it is up to us to defend him against people who would attack him, we think it is up to us to figure everything out and boil it all down to a nice little formula, we think it is up to us to do all the right things in the right sequence so God can bless us, always afraid we might not be getting it right. We have forgotten that it was God who created the universe and he can defend himself. We have forgotten that his ways are above our ways and his thoughts are not our thoughts. We have forgotten that it was God who chose to walk into our world, right in the middle of the mess we created, and set things right with his self-sacrifice. When we get those things into perspective, we can really, truly walk in a faith relationship with him. We can trust him to guide us into all truth through his Holy Spirit, and we can trust him to do the same with those around us. That frees us to run the race he has called us to, trusting in his strength to make it to the finish line.
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RE: What is the worst thing to happen to Christanity? - 3/31/2008 3:12:25 PM
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That sounds great but it absolutely ignores the edict we have from God Himself, in Scripture, to sound the alarm, be on guard, test all things, and cling to what was once delivered for all.
In an ideal world your post is spot on, but we live in a fallen world and Satan roams the earth seeking whom to devour. And the first place he starts is at church pulpits.
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RE: What is the worst thing to happen to Christanity? - 3/31/2008 3:16:50 PM
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thw worst thing:
fundamentalism. It has made Christianity a straightjacket.
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RE: What is the worst thing to happen to Christanity? - 3/31/2008 3:19:26 PM
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The over-emphasis of the "salvation experience" paired with a sad lack of discipleship. . .
Inevitably leading to complacent Christians who have no understanding of sanctification or holy living.
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RE: What is the worst thing to happen to Christanity? - 3/31/2008 3:39:17 PM
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Lycea
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Earthless,
I am not saying we don't seek truth and pursue it, or that we shouldn't be ready to give an answer for the hope we hold to, or that we shouldn't study to show ourselves approved. What I am saying is that God is not threatened by those who attack him, and even if/when we fall miserably short he will still have the victory in the end, (see Revelation). It isn't up to us to "win for God" it is up to us to allow him to win in us, and work through us. That puts the responsibility for victory back on God, where it belongs. After all, only he can change hearts and lives, only he can defeat Satan once and for all, only he could pay the sin debt for all who believe.
Do we have an enemy? Yep. But thankfully our job as given in Ephesians is to put on the armor of God and stand firm.
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RE: What is the worst thing to happen to Christanity? - 3/31/2008 5:57:35 PM
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earthless
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Lycea,
Thank you for explaining your position.
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RE: What is the worst thing to happen to Christanity? - 4/2/2008 4:12:52 PM
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By far the worst thing to happen to Christianity since its inception is the continued attempt to turn it into a religion.
Religion is mans attempt to make himself acceptable to God.
Christianity is God making man acceptable to Himself.
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RE: What is the worst thing to happen to Christanity? - 4/2/2008 4:25:29 PM
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The swaying of the church away from our Hebraic heritage. This has attributed to much misunderstanding and anti-semitism.
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RE: What is the worst thing to happen to Christanity? - 4/2/2008 5:24:18 PM
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ORIGINAL: Ps103
The worst thing that has happened? Same as in the NT: factions, dissention and in-fighting, which, rather than draw unbelievers to Christ not only pushed the unbelievers farther away (because, like Jesus said, people will know we are His followers by our love for one another, and we fail miserably in that), but also wounds those within the Body and pushes them out.
I am not talking about winking at sin, which we are not to do--I am talking about the near-constant bickering and one-upmanship that can be easily demonstrated by clicking on any thread in this folder.
Ps103:
Well said! While the early church of the several first centuries was faced with confronting heresy, the heresies were not as abundant and plentiful as they have been within Christendom for the past century. And the early church respected and held to the apostle's doctrine, which was then handed down, explained, reiterated and defended in the church councils. This Tradition preserved the Christian faith and spoke with one voice and in unity.
Today we have many traditions, many teachers, many Bible expositors all claiming adherence to the Holy Scriptures yet arguing ferociously with each other. I attribute this to Scripture alone enthusiasts who think that they can simply pick up the Bible and interpret it for themselves without any regard for the apostolic teaching and Tradition. Thus each person claims to use the scriptures to defend their position while intense disunity and disagreement reign.
And you are right, the threads on crosswalk.com are evidence of just that. Just try to get an answer on most any doctrine of the faith and guaranteed there is a plethora of opinions, all claiming the Scriptures as their defense.
Why is it necessary to re-interpret the faith with every generation? Sola scriptura enthusiasm, which was born out of the Reformation must take responsibility for this. Even Martin Luther made a remark near the end of his life to the effect that even the milk maids thought they knew better how to interpret the scriptures than the Church. So much for the perpescuity of scripture. So any Christian can think they have the God-given authority to pick up the Bible and interpret what it means.
Claiming scripture alone without holding to the teachings and proclamations of the early church councils is damaging to the unity of the body of Christ and to preserving orthodox doctrine.
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RE: What is the worst thing to happen to Christanity? - 4/2/2008 6:26:38 PM
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While I think factions, dissentions and infighting are destructive to the body of Christ, my answer would be schisms. Schisms break apart unity within the body of Christ and bring into question sound doctrine. History shows that schisms result from heretical teachings. Heretical teachings within the Christ's Church are due to several reasons among them pride and arrogance, rebellion toward authority, jealousy, deception, hate, selfishness, party spirit, etc. Actually, the works of the flesh would pretty much explain the reason for schisms.
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RE: What is the worst thing to happen to Christanity? - 4/3/2008 6:53:33 AM
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I would still say that lack of teaching on sanctification and holiness is the root cause of those works of the flesh. Too many Christians have no idea what it means to walk according to the Spirit.
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RE: What is the worst thing to happen to Christanity? - 4/3/2008 10:25:59 AM
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Good answers all, but if we could just admit it, they all pale in comparison to the absolute worst thing to happen to Christianity...
-----the church softball game---!
There's so much flesh on parade at the church softball game that I shiver to consider it! Taunting, intimidation, harassing--and then after the service, the game! Gorging saints high on junk food take the diamond to inflict physical and verbal pain on their brothers and sisters--under a cloak of fellowship! They mean fallow -ship, as in some of the seed fell on fallow ground!
There's more but I must stop there.
The horror...the horror....
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RE: What is the worst thing to happen to Christanity? - 4/3/2008 10:59:36 AM
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Good answers all, but if we could just admit it, they all pale in comparison to the absolute worst thing to happen to Christianity...
-----the church softball game---!
There's so much flesh on parade at the church softball game that I shiver to consider it! Taunting, intimidation, harassing--and then after the service, the game! Gorging saints high on junk food take the diamond to inflict physical and verbal pain on their brothers and sisters--under a cloak of fellowship! They mean fallow -ship, as in some of the seed fell on fallow ground!
There's more but I must stop there.
The horror...the horror....
Please, oh please don't make me have joy or laughter. I am about to die for it hurts my side. 
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RE: What is the worst thing to happen to Christanity? - 4/3/2008 4:21:30 PM
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Moving from a community mindet to an individual mindset.
I see that right here on Crosswalk....the "banner ad" advertising the book "Who Stole MY church?"....
that is an INDIVIDUAL'S mindset....and not a community mindset....note the title..it's who stole MY church?....was it really "their's" to begin with?
there's too much ME ME ME ME in today's church...
and, yes, in some "circles", legalism is certainly an issue, as well....
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