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RE: Secular Bands OK? - 4/28/2008 10:10:18 AM
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RHardin15
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I personally think contemporary Christian music is awful...I'm sorry. Everything I hear on the radio is so cookie cutter...every stinkin' song is the same! I do like bands such as BarlowGirl and Superchic[k]...but that's it. Christian music industries really need to buckle down and get some realy Christian talent. I listen to bands like My Chemical Romance and Green Day...we need Christian versions of those!
You probably only have CCM format (aka the "Family Friendly" format), and all of the music on those stations SUCK bad!
www.thez.com -- There's the station I listen to, they play lots of good music, proving that it DOES exist! :)
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RE: Secular Bands OK? - 4/28/2008 11:03:03 AM
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I just checked it out. Hallelujah! I love it! Thanks!
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RE: Secular Bands OK? - 4/28/2008 1:43:53 PM
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We DO NOT need copies of popular bands, that annoys the living heck outta me. We need good original bands. The most original Christian bands right now are Joy Electric, Showbread, PlayRadioPlay!, David Crowder Band, and that's abut it.
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RE: Secular Bands OK? - 4/28/2008 3:02:42 PM
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Christian music industries really need to buckle down and get some realy Christian talent. I listen to bands like My Chemical Romance and Green Day...we need Christian versions of those!
Here is the first problem with Christian centered entertainment the industry as a whole can't please the Christian audiences, we should shut down the entire industry! If I was out there busting my hump making a career in Christian based entertainment and had to listen to you bumbling idots all of the time, I would quit!!!! GIVE UP!!! I don't care at this point if I am violating the TOS. I am sorry if I get kicked out so beit, IF YOU WANT BETTER STUFF, be a bit more supportive heh??? half of the Christian music entertainment world wants exact copies of what is popular the other half doesn't but then complains because it isn't as good as secular music.. MAKE UP MY MIND WOULD YOU... And ALSO! You can not judge all Christ based entertainment on a few of the groups that get airplay. If I judged the entire secular world by Fergie and Nickleback I'd be quite disappointed. GET A LIFE. You aren't the first and foremost authority on the entire industry of Christian music. And let me add, if you are only listening to Superchic[k] and Barlow Girl, you have an extremely dim outlook on the Christian music as a whole, those two groups, whilst, IMHO, I don't particularly care for, there are much better bands available to listen to. And since your searching the internet for music, try also http://tvulive.com .
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We DO NOT need copies of popular bands, that annoys the living heck outta me. We need good original bands
I couldn't agree with you more, while having to remind you that there are other things out there that, and I'm sure you are aware, are original, I completely disagree with the notion that there are only 3 original Christian Bands available for our listening pleasure. Also, on your comment regarding Christian "family friendly" radio??? HUH??? Well, there is a place for it and of course it has it's audience just because your overwellmingly sized vast amout of knowledge on music says that it stinks must make it so. Please forgive me idontloveyou and hawknelsonismyfriend but you both have a lot of growing up to do.
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RE: Secular Bands OK? - 4/28/2008 3:35:07 PM
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Hey, chill out, freakofnature! First off, I'm sorry I came across as narrow minded, ok?! And do NOT call me a bumbling idiot! I do respect a lot more artists than BarlowGirl and Superchick, and again I am sorry for not making it more clear. And before you go on ranting and raving like a "true Christian", respect my opinion and don't make a whole paragraph about how wrong I am. I am truly sorry! And hawknelsonismyfriend, I'm was just pointing out that bands like mcr and green day are original and not so cookie cutter. MAN! I just joined this site and already people are getting me wrong.
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RE: Secular Bands OK? - 4/28/2008 3:48:21 PM
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Welcome to the forum my friend. Despite my empassioned outburst and your moniker. I do love you, I am somewhat rather passionate about the Christian Music Industry and defend it whenever negative or otherwise unflattering comments get made about it as a whole... SORRY MY FRIEND. You are welcome to the forum and I am obviously no one and not a moderator so I can't say who comes and who goes. The bumbling idiot comment was a generalization to any and everyone, nothin' personal... The Christian music genre has come a long way, I have been around from the earliest roots and feel the market as a whole has improved while also being uhhhh... disheartened by the radio play of local Christian radio stations. HOWEVER, we all must keep in mind that those radio stations keep to a format because that is what sells. The majority of Christians, the same as majority of secular radio listeners, do not have a talent for music nor a discerning ear. There are those on this forum who have both the talent and the ear. It is the same tho as I have to listen to the secular stations here at the office because they co-workers have it on, all the same cookie cutter highly processed quick fix music gets played. BUT there are also a wider variety of secular music stations that cater to certain audiences. Good Christian entertainment does not have that audience period. We have to be the ones to create that audience and if we don't and all we do is complain about how bad it is, what is the incentive for new stations that cater to our needs to be created??? NONE? It is after all a business... a business that intends to make money, money that we aren't willing to put into it...
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RE: Secular Bands OK? - 4/28/2008 3:54:52 PM
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All right, I see where you are coming from. I made that comment flippently and I did not mean it. I very much love a lot of Christian bands but I'm very aggrivated at some Christian music stations this day and age. There is NO passion in any of the songs, and it feels like the artists they play throw some lyrics together to make a song. That's what's aggrivates me. I am drawn to bands that are passionate about the music they create and don't use the same lines in every song. I hope I justified my comment at least a little.
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RE: Secular Bands OK? - 4/28/2008 4:12:41 PM
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I stand by my comment about the "Family Friendly" format. It continues to find the worst music in the industry. I think we are going to start seeing more of the Christian Hit Radio emerging. I don't complain, because we have THREE Christian Hit Radio stations in my area, and only ONE Family Friendly format radio station. That's a great thing, and people have plenty of options in that area. Not to mention that on Sunday mornings, most of the secular stations play Christian music of whatever genre they typically play. I'd say we have it pretty good when it comes to radio in my area. :)
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RE: Secular Bands OK? - 4/28/2008 4:31:48 PM
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I stand by my comment about the "Family Friendly" format. It continues to find the worst music in the industry. I think we are going to start seeing more of the Christian Hit Radio emerging. I don't complain, because we have THREE Christian Hit Radio stations in my area, and only ONE Family Friendly format radio station. That's a great thing, and people have plenty of options in that area. Not to mention that on Sunday mornings, most of the secular stations play Christian music of whatever genre they typically play. I'd say we have it pretty good when it comes to radio in my area. :)
I stand by your comment too. But take a look at what it is trying to attract, it isn't geared toward you then??? Wrong? You have three in your area, I have really one, WAY-FM. EHH..So-so in the evenings not so much in the A.M. or afternoon. Let me ask you this, aren't the family friendly secular stations pretty much the same, sweet candy styles of music, like Radio Disney? Or the Top 40 stations? Isn't that their point of being?? I mean, I guess it is about perspective. As far as the radio stations are concerned, but how many bands do you listen to, I mean secular, that get that much radio play? ALL RADIO IS BAD... imho.
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RE: Secular Bands OK? - 4/28/2008 4:46:25 PM
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DUDE! CHILL! IM 15! WHAT THE HECK DO YOU EXPECT!? I NO THERE ARE MORE ORIGINAL BANDS OUT THERE, I JUST PICKED THE THREE I COULD THINK OF WITHOUT GOIG THROUGH 4000 SONGS ON MY FREAKIN' ITUNES LIBRARY! IM JUST SO SICK OF CCM ARTISTS THAT COPY WHATEVER THE HECK IS POPULAR ON MTV! I MEAN, THEY LYRICS ARE INSANELY CHEESY! THERE ARE SOME CHRISTIAN BANDS THAT DONT HAVE CHEESY CHRISTIAN LYRICS, LIKE AS CITIES BURN. FREAKING CHILL! I MEAN, I STILL BUY THE MUSIC, I JUST HATE IT AND DON'T LISTEN TO IT, I BOUGHT THE LAST SANCTUS REAL AND IT SUCKED, JUST TO SUPPORT THEM BECAUSE HOW MUCH I LIKED THEIR FIRST 2 CDS.
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RE: Secular Bands OK? - 4/28/2008 5:01:16 PM
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ALL RADIO IS BAD... imho.
Amen to that. I live in the Tampa market. I respect the JOY-FM as a ministry but musically its no great shakes. But if I'm in a CCM mood (it does happen) its nice that it is there. Aside from that there is nothing worthwilde around here, just the usual stale, mainstream, play it safe, Clear Channel junk.
XM is better but I'm not a huge fan. I have it on DirecTV, nice place to turn during commercials. And there is Eddie Trunk Live on The Boneyard, that is some good stuff.
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RE: Secular Bands OK? - 4/28/2008 5:04:05 PM
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www.kvrk.com plays great Christian rock.
For XM, I like Fungus (punk). I even hear some Christian punk on there.
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RE: Secular Bands OK? - 4/28/2008 5:13:57 PM
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I'm partial to The Torch on XM myself. How does everyone see that as far as Christian hard rock goes? I really like it, they play a good variety of music.
The DirecTV package has no Fungus. We only get most of the XM channels not all of them. But its free (since I'd have DTV anyway) so I'm good. I'm just happy they added The Torch and Liquid Metal (well I don't like LM because they only play extreme, no singy metal with an occasional classic thrown in but if I didn't have that I wouldn't know and I'd want it).
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RE: Secular Bands OK? - 4/30/2008 2:35:50 AM
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I think secular music is fine depending on what the lyrics talk about and such, as well as the overall mood of the music. I have had times where I go from one extreme to the other. Lately I have been listening to a lot more Christian music and it has kept me in a great mood, just do what feels right for you.
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RE: Secular Bands OK? - 4/30/2008 8:03:40 AM
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I'm fine with secular music as along as there is no profanity or overly negative messages.
Besides, the christian music industry has no diversity.
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RE: Secular Bands OK? - 4/30/2008 8:51:24 AM
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I agree... secular music is fine as long as its doesn't have any real negative messages. I don't listen to Christian or secular music though, I listen to GOOD music. If its good, I'll listen to it regardless of what it is. Ya theres not many good Christian bands out there IMO but there isn't a lot of great secular bands either. You just have to know where to look and look reaaal hard to find the good stuff.
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RE: Secular Bands OK? - 4/30/2008 2:02:25 PM
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Right now I'm listening to a lot of Drive-Thru Records stuff, and a lot of Christian pop-punk.
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RE: Secular Bands OK? - 4/30/2008 6:04:22 PM
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JordanW
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I've been listening to tons of Christian music lately. It has kept me in a better mood overall.
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RE: Secular Bands OK? - 5/1/2008 10:05:25 AM
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Christian music will get you in a good mood!!! that's a fact! 
I dunno... my dad turns on the Gospel radio on Sunday mornings and I have the strange desire to drill my ears out...
That's prolly just your taste in music? I could be wrong, I happen to thoroughly enjoy gospel, Kirk Franklin and the others I can't name at this time because my brain is still asleep. Don't get me wrong, I love to rock at the same time so then I listen to Norma Jean, Underoath and such. The other thing I noted about a prior comment, ( I hesitated responding as I have already come on a bit strong at this point) But you stated that you don't mind secular music that doesn't have a real negative message. I am not familiar with secular music that has much of a positive message. Can you enlighten me? I get that there are some bands out there that just sing about "just stuff" but overall it all (and don't miss my point, I am talking about modern day popular or at least "of the day" stuff, not Mozart or Bach) but it all either seems negative or basically pornographic.
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RE: Secular Bands OK? - 5/1/2008 10:51:42 AM
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That's prolly just your taste in music?
Yeah, a style that is disagreeable to ones ears will not produce a blissful feeling, regardless of how well it is done. Of course if it is given a chance it could become agreeable. Some styles are acquired tastes, especially when coupled with a "conflicting" background. Example: being brought up in the modern day with the majority of music one hears is pop and rock might make gospel appear to be flat, lifeless (again to them) and / or "uncool". doesn't get their blood flowing so to speak.
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But you stated that you don't mind secular music that doesn't have a real negative message. I am not familiar with secular music that has much of a positive message. Can you enlighten me? I get that there are some bands out there that just sing about "just stuff" but overall it all (and don't miss my point, I am talking about modern day popular or at least "of the day" stuff, not Mozart or Bach) but it all either seems negative or basically pornographic.
What do you mean by negative? Is negative meaning that the lyrics encourage the listener to engage in anti social activities that could harm themselves or others? Perhaps cultivating extremely negative thought patterns? By that definition there are many secular songs / artists that are neither pornographic (I'm with you on that one BTW, Gaye & White did it right, the rest needn't bother LOL) or "negative" (by that definition).
If negative means that the lyrics have a dark world view then sad to say that's true. Perhaps you don't agree but the world is a dark, bleak place right now. Hedonism runs supreme, wars are raging all over the place, crazy people have access to stuff that can kill hundreds in an instant, the moral structure of this country is decaying, fewer and fewer people control more and more resources (money, media, business etc.). Of course there is a place for artists that emphasize the positive (escapism can be good) but to be honest if most "serious" lyrics were positive and happy I would have a big problem with the disconnect from reality and absolute cluelessness of it all.
I can't think of any well known examples at the moment but there is much music around where the lyrics provide some hope in the cold hard reality of our dark world today. I would start with many of the retro metal bands from Europe. Also, although I don't enjoy listening to Nickelback, Alterbridge, 3 Doors Down, Three Days Grace, Staind etc. many of their songs have positive messages like "If Everybody Cared" (its a Nickelback song, I'm not sure the name, its Nickelback so it isn't important LOL) or "Never Too Late" by Three Days Grace or "For You" by Staind (the expression of a teen's angst with their parents).
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RE: Secular Bands OK? - 5/1/2008 11:11:43 AM
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That's prolly just your taste in music?
Yeah, a style that is disagreeable to ones ears will not produce a blissful feeling, regardless of how well it is done. Of course if it is given a chance it could become agreeable. Some styles are acquired tastes, especially when coupled with a "conflicting" background. Example: being brought up in the modern day with the majority of music one hears is pop and rock might make gospel appear to be flat, lifeless (again to them) and / or "uncool". doesn't get their blood flowing so to speak.
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But you stated that you don't mind secular music that doesn't have a real negative message. I am not familiar with secular music that has much of a positive message. Can you enlighten me? I get that there are some bands out there that just sing about "just stuff" but overall it all (and don't miss my point, I am talking about modern day popular or at least "of the day" stuff, not Mozart or Bach) but it all either seems negative or basically pornographic.
What do you mean by negative? Is negative meaning that the lyrics encourage the listener to engage in anti social activities that could harm themselves or others? Perhaps cultivating extremely negative thought patterns? By that definition there are many secular songs / artists that are neither pornographic (I'm with you on that one BTW, Gaye & White did it right, the rest needn't bother LOL) or "negative" (by that definition).
If negative means that the lyrics have a dark world view then sad to say that's true. Perhaps you don't agree but the world is a dark, bleak place right now. Hedonism runs supreme, wars are raging all over the place, crazy people have access to stuff that can kill hundreds in an instant, the moral structure of this country is decaying, fewer and fewer people control more and more resources (money, media, business etc.). Of course there is a place for artists that emphasize the positive (escapism can be good) but to be honest if most "serious" lyrics were positive and happy I would have a big problem with the disconnect from reality and absolute cluelessness of it all.
I can't think of any well known examples at the moment but there is much music around where the lyrics provide some hope in the cold hard reality of our dark world today. I would start with many of the retro metal bands from Europe. Also, although I don't enjoy listening to Nickelback, Alterbridge, 3 Doors Down, Three Days Grace, Staind etc. many of their songs have positive messages like "If Everybody Cared" (its a Nickelback song, I'm not sure the name, its Nickelback so it isn't important LOL) or "Never Too Late" by Three Days Grace or "For You" by Staind (the expression of a teen's angst with their parents).
I think I concur. I know there are some songs by groups, (Nickleback btw I put into the porno cat. man some of the stuff I have heard from them.. Oh and I hate... hate that song "Wanna be Big Rock Stars ughh, puke) Anyway back on track, for me, the bottom line is that they may be positive messages, but they don't necissarily point to Christ as the only hope they really have. And for me the Teen angst thing, I get it that you are 19 and you hate your dad, but that is empty and in the long run, I don't think it is beneficial to sing about it. I know it "relates" to what is really going on, and "Speaks" to many a teenager but again that doesn't really point in the right direction. Cool though I see your point and I raise you mine. Thanks
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