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RE: Sinless in Seattle? - 4/22/2008 4:49:38 PM
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drmark
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the sacrifices in the OT indicates that God required sacrifices for sins of ignorance - IOW, He gave no free pass just because you don't know that you've sinned. I certainly do not consider the precious Blood of Christ to be a "free pass" and I doubt you do either! Under NT grace we no longer have to sacrifice regularly when the Atonement was once and for all. I think we kid ourselves to think that OT sacrifices have anything to do with one's ability to stop sinning, by the grace of God and the power of the Holy Spirit!
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RE: Sinless in Seattle? - 4/22/2008 4:52:29 PM
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the sacrifices in the OT indicates that God required sacrifices for sins of ignorance - IOW, He gave no free pass just because you don't know that you've sinned. I certainly do not consider the precious Blood of Christ to be a "free pass" and I doubt you do either! Under NT grace we no longer have to sacrifice regularly when the Atonement was once and for all. I think we kid ourselves to think that OT sacrifices have anything to do with one's ability to stop sinning, by the grace of God and the power of the Holy Spirit!
No, my point is that you cannot claim you do not sin simply because you are ignorant. Sin is sin, whether or not it is intentional.
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RE: Sinless in Seattle? - 4/22/2008 5:49:04 PM
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No, my point is that you cannot claim you do not sin simply because you are ignorant. Sin is sin, whether or not it is intentional.
(Luke 12:47) And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.
(Luke 12:48) But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.
I would say at best being igorant of sin is but a partial cloak. Ignorance didn't get the servant off scott free.
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RE: Sinless in Seattle? - 4/22/2008 11:37:25 PM
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No, my point is that you cannot claim you do not sin simply because you are ignorant. Sin is sin, whether or not it is intentional. My point is that God only holds us as Believers accountable for willful sinning since unintentional sins are covered by imputed righteousness. If it makes you feel better, Jimbo, I will go back and edit all my posts to add "willful" to sin. God and I know the proper definition of sin and I wouldn't want you left out.
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I would say at best being igorant of sin is but a partial cloak. Ignorance didn't get the servant off scott free. Interesting passage, tdd. If anything it supports the notion that sins of ignorance are not unto death, while deliberate disobedience is a grave spiritual shortcoming worthy of severe punishment. To whom much has been given (sanctifying grace), much will be required (living daily the holy life)!
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RE: Sinless in Seattle? - 4/23/2008 3:26:53 AM
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Now we can argue about which sins are willful and which ones we are struggling with because we want to overcome them.
Romans 7
15For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
16If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
17Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
18For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
19For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
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RE: Sinless in Seattle? - 4/23/2008 8:15:14 AM
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No, my point is that you cannot claim you do not sin simply because you are ignorant. Sin is sin, whether or not it is intentional. My point is that God only holds us as Believers accountable for willful sinning since unintentional sins are covered by imputed righteousness. If it makes you feel better, Jimbo, I will go back and edit all my posts to add "willful" to sin. God and I know the proper definition of sin and I wouldn't want you left out.
I fully understand what you are saying, I just disagree with you. Unintentional sin is not automatically unimportant and covered.
As a side note, I've known individuals that have left a trail of broken and hurting people without being conscious of their sinful ways. Some have grown in the Lord enough to recognize their sin, repent and change. Others, seem to be happy in the ignorance and continue their unintentional pain. Unlike you, I believ God hold them accountable in the same way He does willful sin.
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RE: Sinless in Seattle? - 4/23/2008 8:32:46 AM
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Others, seem to be happy in the ignorance and continue their unintentional pain. Unlike you, I believ God hold them accountable in the same way He does willful sin.
That is true JF. And it gets back to the root of the problem of sin. They are happy in ignorance and unintentional pain. Men love darkness rather than light. If we just chalk it up to ignorance and say all is well the real issue doesn't get dealt with.
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RE: Sinless in Seattle? - 4/23/2008 10:56:33 AM
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As a side note, I've known individuals that have left a trail of broken and hurting people without being conscious of their sinful ways. Some have grown in the Lord enough to recognize their sin, repent and change. Others, seem to be happy in the ignorance and continue their unintentional pain. Jimbo, do you honestly believe that a so-called sanctified Believer who should be living in all the holy light that God would share with him cannot see "a trail of broken and hurting people without being conscious of their sinful ways"? This is absolute nonsense and clearly shows how willful those sinful behaviors were, especially when compounded by deliberate denial and rationalization. Ignoring willful sin does not turn it into a sin of ignorance! If God is not speaking to His children who are inflicting pain on others, then they are not His children.
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RE: Sinless in Seattle? - 4/23/2008 11:11:09 AM
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And it gets back to the root of the problem of sin. They are happy in ignorance and unintentional pain. Again, this is NOT the description of a Holiness believer who has experienced entire sanctification and is loving the Lord with all their being! Where do you guys come up with these hypothetical scenarios that you think negate the concept of having the ability to not sin? No Christian who has been cleansed by the Holy Spirit of their carnal nature will be "happy in ignorance and unintentional pain"! This is not holy living, this is not Christian perfection, this is not living victoriously over willful sin. For you to claim otherwise shows your total lack of understanding the meaning and purpose of entire sanctification!
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RE: Sinless in Seattle? - 4/23/2008 6:52:52 PM
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And it gets back to the root of the problem of sin. They are happy in ignorance and unintentional pain. Again, this is NOT the description of a Holiness believer who has experienced entire sanctification and is loving the Lord with all their being! Where do you guys come up with these hypothetical scenarios that you think negate the concept of having the ability to not sin? No Christian who has been cleansed by the Holy Spirit of their carnal nature will be "happy in ignorance and unintentional pain"! This is not holy living, this is not Christian perfection, this is not living victoriously over willful sin. For you to claim otherwise shows your total lack of understanding the meaning and purpose of entire sanctification!
drmark... Are you living holy, in Christian perfection, victorious over your willful sin? Are you a "Holiness believer"? Do you sin?
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RE: Sinless in Seattle? - 4/24/2008 4:52:41 PM
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Wow! I'm a first time reader here, and really... just wow.
Half the time I think 'well, it's just a confusion of wording/definitions here'. Then I see that this all comes across as, well, sorry to say, obnoxious.
Step back for a second, and think: what if an unbeliever were to come to this site, to try to learn more, because he/she is searching. And they were to come upon this thread. All the fighting, over a subject that will obviously not be resolved here ("We are all fallen creatures, and hard to live with.")
I get that discussion is healthy, but try to remember that you could quite possibly be doing more harm than good by it.
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RE: Sinless in Seattle? - 4/24/2008 5:04:40 PM
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Are you living holy Yes, by the grace of God and the power of the Holy Spirit.
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in Christian perfection Yes, by the grace of God and the power of the Holy Spirit.
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victorious over your willful sin Yes, by the grace of God and the power of the Holy Spirit.
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Are you a "Holiness believer"? Please define. I am a member in good standing of the world's largest Wesleyan/Holiness denomination and I personally adhere to its doctrine of entire sanctification based on Scripture, tradition, and reason. Is that your question?
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Do you sin? Why is the personal spiritual life of someone you've never met and will never know other than by his unverified self-admissions important to you? For the record, I am not sinning at this moment and I do not intend to sin in the next moment. I am fully capable of willful disobedience if I so choose. Are you unable to stop sinning? If so, God has the Answer!
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RE: Sinless in Seattle? - 4/24/2008 5:48:02 PM
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My point is that God only holds us as Believers accountable for willful sinning since unintentional sins are covered by imputed righteousness.
"Drmark" I`m sure glad your a well natured guy because it seems like we`re always picking on you. Even though willfil sin is wrong, it can`t be differentiated from sins of ignorance. Sin is sin and the good news is God has imputed all our sins on Christ be they willful or sins out of ignorance. We just need to receive this gift of imputation by faith in what Christ did for us on the cross.
 The doctrine of perfect sinlessness or entire sanctification may lead to another error. I read your post#71 again and this is what cut my eye. "I am not a "Sinner" by God`s grace and power! I do not sin, by God`s grace and power! And those who continue to practice sinning as so-called "sinning saints" will not be in Heaven with the Lord!" This basically means that our salvation is now dependent on what "I" do and not on what Christ has done for me. For as you say, if I sin willfully, I will loose my salvation. It`s now all about what I do plus what Christ has done for me, which is false. Now I`m not saying that living as close to a sinless life, or even a sinless life if possible is wrong nor should it be discouraged. What I`m saying is basing your eternity(salvation) on it is wrong. Yes, as Christians we are to strive for holiness in being more like Christ while here on earth, even though we know complete Christlike holiness is impossible until we`re with Christ in heaven. However I living sinlessly, perfectionately in order to earn my way into heaven by obeying a bunch of rules seems to be in violation of what Scripture teaches. Scripture teaches we`re only saved by grace through faith which can only be received as a free gift. Now some may call this doctrine OSAS, Calvinistic, narrowmindedness or whatever other fancy cliche they like to use, however let`s remember the verses I`m about to quote are the Words of God.
Eph.2:8+9 "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith- and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God- not by works, so that no one can boast."
GRACE= Now if your sinless you deserve to go to heaven. You`ve earned it. Now the rest of us who know we`re "sinning saints" do not deserve to go to heaven. (In fact according to Post#71 we won`t even be there.) So if you happen to see me there it will only be because of GRACE. Grace is receiving a gift from God I do not deserve. In other words, if you`re going to heaven because of your sinless life you deserve to be there and it`s not the gift of grace anymore at all. It`s now your works that got you there. Rom.11:6 confirms this. "And if by grace, then it is no longer by works; if it were, grace would no longer be grace."
GIFT= Again anybody that can live perfectly by God`s rules without ever willfully or ignorantly sinning I would say to them  CONGRATULATIONS, you`ve worked and earned your way into heaven. Trouble is, the moment you base your salvation on sinless living you`ve worked for your salvation, and believe you me I`ve been there and it`s hard, hard work. Also after we`ve achieved it by working for our salvation, salvation ceases to be a free gift. When you work for wages it becomes earnings, not a free gift.
Others may continue to post telling you that basing your salvation on the works of sinless living is in violation of Eph.2:9 "not by works, so that no one can boast" but I`ll leave it at that for now. Remember, salvation is "and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God."  It`s not I, but Christ.
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RE: A CHRISTIAN STOPPED SINNING!!! - 4/24/2008 9:42:48 PM
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Christ was capable of sin, but by the power of the Spirit choose not to sin.
That's debatable. Christ was/is fully God. Is God capable of sin?
Christ is fully God, yet while He was here on earth. He was subject to the same vulnerabilities to which we are also subject. He was tempted, yet He recognized every temptation and chose to not sin.
Cf. Hebrews 2:14-18: 14 Since the children have flesh and blood, he too shared in their humanity so that by his death he might destroy him who holds the power of death—that is, the devil— 15 and free those who all their lives were held in slavery by their fear of death. 16 For surely it is not angels he helps, but Abraham’s descendants. 17 For this reason he had to be made like his brothers in every way, in order that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to God, and that he might make atonement forf the sins of the people. 18 Because he himself suffered when he was tempted, he is able to help those who are being tempted.
And Hebrews 4:14-16: 14 Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has gone through the heavens,a Jesus the Son of God, let us hold firmly to the faith we profess. 15 For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are—yet was without sin. 16 Let us then approach the throne of grace with confidence, so that we may receive mercy and find grace to help us in our time of need.
The fact that Jesus was tempted, yet chose not to sin, makes me more guilty when I do sin. Paul reminds us of God's promise in I Corinthians 10:13: 13 No temptation has seized you except what is common to man. And God is faithful; he will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear. But when you are tempted, he will also provide a way out so that you can stand up under it.
If the Holy Spirit's power gives me the power to say "NO" to temptation, and Jesus successfully said "NO" when He was tempted, then I can only blame myself when I give in to temptation and sin. That hurts because I don't want to be a sinner. I want to be like Jesus. It also puts me in touch with the saving grace of God and His mercy because He knows that I believe that Jesus is my Lord and Savior and I want to do what is right.
May God give you wisdom as you fight against sin and strengthen you as you are getting to know Jesus.
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RE: A CHRISTIAN STOPPED SINNING!!! - 4/24/2008 10:18:25 PM
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Even though willfil sin is wrong, it can`t be differentiated from sins of ignorance. Sin is sin and the good news is God has imputed all our sins on Christ be they willful or sins out of ignorance. We just need to receive this gift of imputation by faith in what Christ did for us on the cross. Of course willful sin can be differentiated from sins of ignorance, but only for those who understand and accept the definition of sin, properly called.
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The doctrine of perfect sinlessness or entire sanctification may lead to another error. I read your post#71 again and this is what cut my eye. "I am not a "Sinner" by God`s grace and power! I do not sin, by God`s grace and power! And those who continue to practice sinning as so-called "sinning saints" will not be in Heaven with the Lord!" This basically means that our salvation is now dependent on what "I" do and not on what Christ has done for me. For as you say, if I sin willfully, I will loose my salvation. It`s now all about what I do plus what Christ has done for me, which is false. No, frankman, this is your continued misunderstanding of Holiness doctrine and I'm tired of repeating myself over and over! Firstly, I have never used the term "perfect sinlessness" - that is reserved for our glorification in Heaven. Sinless perfection is totally 100% dependent on God's grace and power - how then can it be "dependent on what I do"? What I do is based solely on the perfect Love of Christ living in my entire being. Not only what Christ has done (salvation and entire sanctification) but also what He is doing daily in my life (growing in grace to maturity). Our entire life MUST be about what I do with Christ working in, with, and through me - unless you think He lives our existence for us!
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RE: A CHRISTIAN STOPPED SINNING!!! - 4/25/2008 8:48:47 AM
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I've been thinking this morning about how to better illustrate the difference between willful sinning and sins of ignorance. Just to make sure our friendly mods know this is "on-topic", I trust we all agree that it is impossible for a Christian to stop sinning in true ignorance since by definition, s/he has no idea that a particular action is sin if it's done in ignorance. These two examples are based on recent events in my life - only the names have been changed to protect the innocent and not-so-innocent. So, with that introduction, here goes.
CASE 1:
This morning, Zephaniah was loading luggage into his new SUV which has an electric power liftgate. When he finished, he placed the children securely in their carseats and realized he needed to back out of the garage in order to give his wife room to enter the vehicle on her side. Focusing on backing up, he forgot to close the liftgate and heard the grating sound of the hatch door pushing into the overhanging garage door. Zeph slammed on the brakes, cried "Oh no" in frustration and became irritated with himself for not remembering to push the little button which would have easily lowered the back hatch. The children saw and heard their father's outburst but laughed at the situation. At no time did Zeph blame or curse God or ever stop loving Him. At no time did Zeph blame or curse anyone else or stop loving them. Zeph was essentially angry at himself for his imperfect memory from living in a fallen world.
About this time, Mrs. Zephaniah came to the garage ready to leave. She surveyed the situation, saw her husband's frustration with himself and reassured him that no damage had occurred to either door and that she still loved him even when he displayed his human nature. So, did Zephaniah commit a sin of ignorance by forgetting to close the liftgate or backing into the garage door? Did he sin during his bout of irritation and anger with himself? Was it a sin to display his human nature in front of impressionable children? Remember, Zeph never broke either of the two greatest commands. If God speaks clearly to his heart about future ways to handle his poor memory and reflexes, must Zephaniah obey God's new instructions or be found in willful sin the next time he vents his frustration?
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Abigail was appointed to the planning committee for an upcoming church missions event. Last Sunday, the pastor asked her if she had already followed up on a particular item of the agenda. Abby quickly responded "That's been taken care of" and left for Sunday dinner. Later that day, she called the person involved in the agenda item and confirmed the plans. Immediately after hanging up the phone, Abby realized she had lied to the pastor and wanted to make herself look good by claiming to be on top of her responsibility. She had disobeyed a known law of God (bearing false witness) and she had indirectly put herself in more favorable status by claiming to have followed up sooner than other committee members. Abigail had broken both of the two greatest commands.
However, no one but God knew at this time of her sin and it would almost surely never come to light, especially since no external consequences would accrue. So, is Abigail's intentional sin known only to God and her any different than Zephaniah's unintentional attitude witnessed by his children? What if Abby had ignored or denied the Spirit's conviction that caused her to realize her deliberate sin? Would that somehow change her willful disobedience into a sin of ignorance?
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RE: A CHRISTIAN STOPPED SINNING!!! - 4/25/2008 12:49:22 PM
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 my dearest Dr, there is at least 3 dozen sins, real,(not imaginary or explained away by scripture moderating) right here in mere 2 paragraphs.
Sure, you asked for review of examples - i have it!
1. Mr Zeph’s new SUV. Does he really need it or just bought it to keep up with the Johneses, “well,I need to keep up with all the modern gizmos,and how will I look at company parking lot with that outrageously old (2003 that is ) thing!New, preff. bigger and better is absolutely needed" He succumbs to consumerism just as the world does… Let’s look into the rest of the house, garage, Mrs.closet, childrens rooms,living room, tv’s, kitchen, etc? Are they full of toys , unnecessary things, and show-off stuff?
Based on your description it's a typical suburban house/attitudes, they all are sinful to the core.
Child seats? Hope Mr. didn’t forget about starving,exploited and abused kids in the 3 world that have to access to care, and remembered to thank God! From my experience, typical suburban middle- upper middle class has that sense of entitlement, we-are-better-then-the-rest for we are Americans, we-got-the-birthright worldview. So typical Mr Zeph probably didn’t give thanks and the way you were describing things, takes all for granted...
Mrs.Z problems are worse - its not what she said to pastor, but that she even felt the need to say that. That alone describes a mount of toruble her so typical modern people-pleasing church has. Pretentiosness, worldliness, desire to overachive and be better then others using marketing techiniques and competing on worldy terms… Pastor? He is clearly ruling the sinfulness here as well - you should never feel the need to lie in such superficial, silly, boastful matters to a pastor who is a real shepherdetc, etc, etc..
So approximately like that, +/- some sins.… Quite possible some sins were of ignorance- who cares, their problem is deeper then that - but you haven’t proven to all of us yet that ignorance sins are not sins…
***I am not saying sell to that person to sell his SUV/get more humble in his other attitudes and to his wife to stop selfglorifying and start using her time in real Service to Jesus, not boastful and wordly "ministries", rickwarrening etc. to get envy and praise of her circle, friends, church admins – now, we all sin!! YOU and I SIN (AND people in your example) We just have to admit it and dont lie to ourselves.
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RE: A CHRISTIAN STOPPED SINNING!!! - 4/25/2008 12:55:23 PM
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Drmark, apologize if I misunderstood you , but you haven’t answered our questions here…
How is your
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I am sinless at this moment
Not a false advertisement ?
You ( all of us) do things that are wrong. You agree that you are not perfect, and you do wrongful deeds. You just choose not to call it sin. So you definition of sin is it’s not a sin of done in ignorance.So if your conscience is not telling you that something is wrong, it is not sin then?
This is what JimboFletch tried to tell you: We grow in grace, so your conscience confronts you ( I hope ) more often and for more thing now then it did when you first believed, you see your sins better!! That is what growing in your christian walk is all about. In 20 years it will confront you about things /actions that are indeed sins that you today don’t understand are sins.
Does that mean they are not sins today just becasue you havent yet grown in grace to understand they are sins?
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RE: A CHRISTIAN STOPPED SINNING!!! - 4/26/2008 12:22:57 PM
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"Drmark" those are good case illustrations. Obviously in Case 2 Abigail willfully sinned by lieing to her Pastor. May I just point out that if Abigail gets into heaven it will not be because she lied or did not lie to her Pastor. Salvation has nothing to do with what we do but what Christ has done for us. Salvation is based on faith, not on works. However Abigail`s relationship to Christ may be hindered until she repents to God for her willful sin and apologizes to her Pastor. However her salvation remains in tack because it`s not based on what she does, but on what Christ has done for her.
In Case 1 we`re dealing with the finer points of the law, so I hope I can explain this right so it makes some sense. Zeph was essentially angry at himself. By being angry at himself he committed suicide or murdered himself according to the finer points of the law. Now I know if his neighbor had closed the garage door and he had called his neighbor a fool this would be easier to explain. In your illustration he referred to himself as a fool by saying "OH NO" in frustration to his human error, thus murdering himself according to the finer points of the law taught by Jesus in Matt.5:21+22. "You have heard that it was said to the people long ago. Do not murder, and anyone who murders will be subject to judgment. But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to his brother, Raca, is answerable to the Sanhedrin. But anyone who says, You fool! will be in danger of the fire of hell."
 I know I`m kind of cherry picking through your case, but I think you get the drift. It proves to us how impossible it is for us to live above the law at all times. And if we break the law, whether out of ignorance like Zeph or willfully like Abigail, we`ve sinned. That is why we can only be saved by grace alone, faith alone, Christ alone, while we are still sinners.
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RE: A CHRISTIAN STOPPED SINNING!!! - 4/26/2008 7:25:22 PM
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Well, it seems obvious (at least to me) that Odeliya and frankman have confirmed my primary thesis that the definition of sin (and thus sinless) cannot be made by outside observers. Indeed, the main difference between the two cases is based on the intent of the heart of each.
Zephaniah's actions were unintentional as a result of human error, weakness, and personality. The consequences of his actions, however, may be more far-reaching because they were witnessed by his children who need to see Christ living in their Daddy. I believe that Zeph's undeliberate imperfections were covered by the imputed righteousness of Christ and do not reflect on his "sinless perfection". When and if God convicts Zeph to manage his frustrations differently, Zeph will comply, by the grace and power of God, if he's a sanctified Believer.
Abigail's willful sin is of no practical consequence because she remains the only one to know of it. As a sanctified Believer, the Holy Spirit convicted her and now she has a choice to repent and ask for grace to do better next time. She has not "lost her perfection" because she wants to love the Lord supremely, but Abby has (as frankman points out) hindered her relationship with Christ. At some point, continued and repeated willful disobedience will lead to serious spiritual consequences.
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Drmark, apologize if I misunderstood you , but you haven’t answered our questions here…
How is your quote:
"I am sinless at this moment"
Not a false advertisement ? Are you testing my sanctified patience, Odeliya?  Once more, with feeling:
God has cleansed me of my sinful nature (by His grace and power). I am not committing willful sins at this moment nor do I intend to in the next moment (by His grace and power). Thus, as far as I know in the light God has given me, I am sinless at this moment. There's nothing false about any of this, Odeliya, and I'm sorry if you cannot understand the concept but I've explained it to the best of my God-given ability.
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Jeremiah 31:31-34. The time is NOW, fellow saints!
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RE: A CHRISTIAN STOPPED SINNING!!! - 5/5/2008 5:41:17 PM
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McFatty
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In the end, whether one believes it is possible to be completely sinless or whether they do not, they should strive for that end. They should, as should I, do their best to sin no more. I don't think anyone is claiming that they have no sin in their life whatsoever. I claim that I wish to have no sin in my life, and I consciously work toward that goal.
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“Finally, brethren, whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is of good repute, if there is any excellence and if anything worthy of praise, dwell on these things.” – Philippians 4:8
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