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Ephesians4_32 -> The Name Jehovah (4/9/2008 7:12:20 AM)

Does the name Jehovah come from a Latin or Hebrew word?



conrack50 -> RE: The Name Jehovah (4/9/2008 7:49:46 AM)

Checking at websters.com it's a hebrew word:

Jehovah
1. a name of God in the Old Testament, a rendering of the ineffable name, JHVH, in the Hebrew Scriptures.
2. (in modern Christian use) God.

Connie Lou



Ephesians4_32 -> RE: The Name Jehovah (4/9/2008 12:40:40 PM)

Is His name Jehovah or Yahweh?



bob97 -> RE: The Name Jehovah (4/9/2008 12:52:16 PM)

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Is His name Jehovah or Yahweh?


Yes it is...

JEHOVAH: LORD in our English Bibles (all capitals). Yahweh, YHWH is the covenant name of God. Occurs 6823 times in the OT First use Gen. 2:4 (Jehovah Elohim). From the verb "to be", havah, similar to chavah (to live), "The Self-Existent One," "I AM WHO I AM" or 'I WILL BE WHO I WILL BE" as revealed to Moses at the burning bush, Ex.3. The name of God, too sacred to be uttered, abbreviated ( . . . . ) or written "YHWH" without vowel points. The tetragrammaton. Josh., Judges, Sam., and Kings use Jehovah almost exclusively. The love of God is conditioned upon His moral and spiritual attributes. (Dan. 9:14; Ps. 11:7; Lev. 19:2; Hab. 1:12). Note Deut. 6:4, 5 known to Jews as the Sh'ma uses both Jehovah and Elohim to indicate one God with a plurality of persons.

Bob



Ephesians4_32 -> RE: The Name Jehovah (4/9/2008 1:13:00 PM)

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ORIGINAL: bob97

Note Deut. 6:4, 5 known to Jews as the Sh'ma uses both Jehovah and Elohim to indicate one God with a plurality of persons.

Bob


Does Deuteronomy really say Jehovah or does it say Yahweh in the original language?



rabstark -> RE: The Name Jehovah (4/9/2008 1:58:18 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Ephesians4_32

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ORIGINAL: bob97

Note Deut. 6:4, 5 known to Jews as the Sh'ma uses both Jehovah and Elohim to indicate one God with a plurality of persons.

Bob


Does Deuteronomy really say Jehovah or does it say Yahweh in the original language?


Technically, neither. In Hebrew the NAME is made up of four consenants... Y.H.V.H. There were no vowels in written Hebrew until about 1000 years ago. The vowels in "Yahweh" are borrowed from another word. The actual correct pronunciation was lost sometime during the intertestimental period. By Jesus and Paul's time the standard Jewish practice was to substitute "Adonai" (LORD) for "YHVH" (I AM), and that's still the way religious Jews deal with the NAME (haShem) now.

The word "Jehovah" is a German corruption of the Latin transliteration (Ihoveh) of the Hebrew word.



Ephesians4_32 -> RE: The Name Jehovah (4/9/2008 7:11:32 PM)

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ORIGINAL: rabstark

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ORIGINAL: Ephesians4_32

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ORIGINAL: bob97

Note Deut. 6:4, 5 known to Jews as the Sh'ma uses both Jehovah and Elohim to indicate one God with a plurality of persons.

Bob


Does Deuteronomy really say Jehovah or does it say Yahweh in the original language?


Technically, neither. In Hebrew the NAME is made up of four consenants... Y.H.V.H. There were no vowels in written Hebrew until about 1000 years ago. The vowels in "Yahweh" are borrowed from another word. The actual correct pronunciation was lost sometime during the intertestimental period. By Jesus and Paul's time the standard Jewish practice was to substitute "Adonai" (LORD) for "YHVH" (I AM), and that's still the way religious Jews deal with the NAME (haShem) now.

The word "Jehovah" is a German corruption of the Latin transliteration (Ihoveh) of the Hebrew word.


If "Jehovah" isn't the original name, why do Jehovah's Witnesses insist that people pray to Jehovah?



walterquez -> RE: The Name Jehovah (4/9/2008 11:14:04 PM)

This name is found nowhere in the NT. And neither did the Jewish translator of the Septuagint, long before Jesus came, used it.

Even Jesus Himself when He quoted Deut 6:16 in Mt 4:7, said "Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God".



wshepherd -> RE: The Name Jehovah (4/9/2008 11:23:46 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Ephesians4_32

Does the name Jehovah come from a Latin or Hebrew word?


There is no "J" sound in the Hebrew language.



called2valor -> RE: The Name Jehovah (4/10/2008 9:12:25 AM)

I believe that Jehovah was a German transliteration of YHWH.

I have had this same argument with Jehovah's Witnesses, to which they babble an unending stream of nonsense defenses.

First off, in the German, the "J" IS an English "Y" sound, so obviously it isn't going to be pronounced like the Jehovah's Witnesses do. They are particular that we get the name right, yet they can't even pronounce it anywhere NEAR right themselves.

Since ancient Hebrew did not have ANY vowel marks at all, we do not know for sure the 100% exact pronunciation, but as others have posted here, Yahweh or Yehwoh are about the closest we are going to know until God tells us otherwise face to face.

Since we cannot know for certainty the exact vowel pronunciation, but do know that there is no "J" sound like in English, we do not have to worry about JW's arguments to snap up unwitting dupes because they think they aren't worshiping the true God. If that reasoning were true, then neither are the Jehovah's Witnesses (which is certainly my conclusion anyway.. and even if they get lucky and are calling the right God, I think they are dialing the wrong number [;)] )

Peace



rabstark -> RE: The Name Jehovah (4/10/2008 2:16:38 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Ephesians4_32

If "Jehovah" isn't the original name, why do Jehovah's Witnesses insist that people pray to Jehovah?


In addition to "called2valor"s answer, I also encourage you to keep in mind that the JW's are a cult whose founders were minimally educated in either Hebrew or Greek. Modern JW's insist that their followers pray in the name of "Jehovah" because that's what Charles Russell & Joseph Rutherford taught them. And they do acknowlege (at least at a leadership level) that "Yahveh" or "Yahweh" is more technically correct, they just prefer to go with the Germanic spelling because that's what Russell and Rutherford used.



Ephesians4_32 -> RE: The Name Jehovah (4/10/2008 8:55:48 PM)

Thanks, called2valor! Your post answers a lot of questions, but it seems to me that they need to stop insisting on calling God Jehovah.



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ORIGINAL: rabstark
In addition to "called2valor"s answer, I also encourage you to keep in mind that the JW's are a cult whose founders were minimally educated in either Hebrew or Greek.


So did they think they'd received extra-biblical revelation? How did they come up with the idea that they knew more than the rest of the scholars in the world?


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ORIGINAL: rabstark
Modern JW's insist that their followers pray in the name of "Jehovah" because that's what Charles Russell & Joseph Rutherford taught them. And they do acknowlege (at least at a leadership level) that "Yahveh" or "Yahweh" is more technically correct, they just prefer to go with the Germanic spelling because that's what Russell and Rutherford used.


I believe you but I think that's a rather foolish reason.



rabstark -> RE: The Name Jehovah (4/10/2008 11:03:23 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Ephesians4_32

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ORIGINAL: rabstark
In addition to "called2valor"s answer, I also encourage you to keep in mind that the JW's are a cult whose founders were minimally educated in either Hebrew or Greek.


So did they think they'd received extra-biblical revelation? How did they come up with the idea that they knew more than the rest of the scholars in the world?


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ORIGINAL: rabstark
Modern JW's insist that their followers pray in the name of "Jehovah" because that's what Charles Russell & Joseph Rutherford taught them. And they do acknowlege (at least at a leadership level) that "Yahveh" or "Yahweh" is more technically correct, they just prefer to go with the Germanic spelling because that's what Russell and Rutherford used.


I believe you but I think that's a rather foolish reason.


I'm not sure whether Russell and Rutherford ever claimed to have had direct extra-biblical revelation. The JW's started out as Bible study groups taught by Charles Russell. From what I've read, most of what Russell taught was based on a bad interpretation of Scripture rather than "special revelation" like the Mormons. He started with an interest in Oneness theology because he disliked the doctrine of the Triune nature of God, and a dislike of the idea that God would send anyone to hell (which is why the JW's teach annihilation of the soul for the unsaved), and the rest of the JW's theology grew from there through the Bible studies he led. He and Rutherford obviously believed that their interpretation of Scripture was better than that of more orthodox theologians, but as to why, I'm not really sure... I gave up trying to psychoanalize cult leaders a long time ago. [:'(]

I agree that the explanation of why JW's hold on to the spelling/pronunciation "Jehovah" is kind of a silly reason. But on the other hand, they're hardly the only group who continue doing unusual things for no real reason other than that it's the way some leader in the past taught them to. Realistically, the focus on the word "Jehovah" is hardly the biggest doctrine or theological issue they have.



Anisavta -> RE: The Name Jehovah (4/20/2008 11:23:33 PM)

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I believe that Jehovah was a German transliteration of YHWH.


As was stated before vowel points were added to Hebrew.

G~d's Holy Name is in English transliteration YHVH. In Hebrew it is yud hey vav hey (this is how you pronounce the Hebrew letters)
It was not known how to pronounce the Name after about the 15th century. The Masoretes added vowel points to the Hebrew.
ADONAY is written (in Hebrew letters) alef, dalet, nun, yud
When you add the vowel points you have a alef, (vowel point to make a ah sound), dalet (a vav with a dot over it to make a oh sound) nun and yud (vowel point to make the aey sound).
The Masoretes took the vowel points of Adonay and placed them in the four letter Name. Thus it became. Y(ah)H(oh)V(aey). It is a hybrid.
Later the Y sound became a J sound and it ended up being Jehovah.
It is not a true name at all.
It would be like taking the vowels out of your name and adding the vowels of your best friend's name back into yours. That would be your new name.



cybrjewls -> RE: The Name Jehovah (4/21/2008 4:26:46 AM)

As the brother in The Lord stated : it is YaHoVah! There is no 'j' in the judean language: Hebrew.

YHWH Adonai!
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ORIGINAL: Ephesians4_32

Does the name Jehovah come from a Latin or Hebrew word?



NomadMan -> RE: The Name Jehovah (4/22/2008 7:55:45 PM)

Hello All:

In response to walterquez comments.

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This name is found nowhere in the NT. And neither did the Jewish translator of the Septuagint, long before Jesus came, used it.


Actually, ancient fragments of the Greek Septuagint have been found and the name of God (YHWH) is written in Paleo-Hebrew and not in Greek. I don't know if URL's are allowed to be posted here, if they are let me know and I can add a link to a picture of this.

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Even Jesus Himself when He quoted Deut 6:16 in Mt 4:7, said "Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God".


The Hebrew copy of Matthew quotes the Hebrew text of Deut 6:16 with the Hebrew YHWH intact. It was not until later when the Hebrew Matthew was translated into Greek that the Hebrew quote was replaced with the passage from the Greek Septuagint and the Greek word kurios.



FroMan -> RE: The Name Jehovah (4/26/2008 4:02:00 PM)

Jehovah derives from the pronunciation of the tetragram YHWH. This pronunciation, thought to be correct is actually wrong.

The more correct way to say YHWH is Yahweh...which is as close as we can get in the English language.

In the Hebrew this phrase more than likely represented sounds of "breath" or "breathing". It is much different than the English language we have today.



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