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tracydolls -> Sowing seeds. (4/9/2008 4:44:59 PM)

i'm not quite sure that this is the right place for this question but here goes.

When I watch TBN, they keep talking about "sowing seeds" I've read the parable about it, but it don't fit with what they are talking about, that I can see.

Are their other verses they are referencing? What am I missing.



wintery -> RE: Sowing seeds. (4/9/2008 4:56:50 PM)

You're not the one missing it, tracy.[:D]



earthless -> RE: Sowing seeds. (4/9/2008 4:57:15 PM)

Some love to take the parable of the sower and the seed and turn it into a financial gain mechanism, always usually for their own gain.

Jesus’ explanation of the Parable of the Sower highlights four different responses to the gospel. The seed is “the word of the kingdom" - the hard ground represents someone who is hardened by sin; he hears but does not understand the Word, and Satan plucks the message away, keeping the heart dull and preventing the Word from making an impression.

The stony ground pictures a man who professes delight with the Word; however, his heart is not changed, and when trouble arises, his so-called faith quickly disappears.

The thorny ground depicts one who seems to receive the Word, but whose heart is full of riches, pleasures, and lusts; the things of this world take his time and attention away from the Word, and he ends up having no time for it.

The good ground portrays the one who hears, understands, and receives the Word - and then allows the Word to accomplish its result in his life. The man represented by the “good ground” is the only one of the four who is truly saved, because salvation’s proof is fruit (Matthew 3:7-8; 7:15-20).

To summarize the point of the Parable of the Sower: “A man’s reception of God’s Word is determined by the condition of his heart.”

A secondary lesson would be “Salvation is more than a superficial, albeit joyful, hearing of the gospel. Someone who is truly saved will go on to prove it.” Our prayer needs to that our faith and our lives exemplify the "good soil" in the Parable of the Sower.



called2valor -> RE: Sowing seeds. (4/9/2008 6:25:45 PM)

heh another money enrichment wealth gospel false teaching.
We are to give liberally and freely and cheerfully to the work of God with NO THOUGHT of our own gain. Our treasure is in heaven and we are to pray that God's will be done, not use God or bribe him to do our will @_@

Jesus said the poor would always be with us and judging a poor person as not having claimed the promises of God is ridiculous. Some people would probably end up in Hell if they got rich. Remember what Jesus said about those smelly camels and rich men [;)]

Anyone with a Bible could show why sowing with the intent to get rich is not the right gospel or motive. I really don't think Jesus cares if I have a Cadillac or not unless he wants me to use it to drop off Bibles in Beverly Hills or something [;)]

Peace



map4 -> RE: Sowing seeds. (4/9/2008 6:36:11 PM)

Don't know what TBN is teaching but here are some verses:

2 Corinthians 9:5 Therefore I thought it necessary to exhort the brethern to go to you ahead of time, and prepare your generous gift beforehand, which you had previously promised, that it may be ready as a matter of generosity and not as a grudging obligation.
9:6: But this I say: He who sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and he who sows bountifully will also reap bountifully,
9:7 So let each one give as he purposes in his heart, not grudgingly or of necessity; for God loves a cheerful giver.
9:8 And God is able to make all grace abound toward you, that you, always having all sufficiency in all things, may have an abundance of every good work.
9:9 As it is written: "He has dispersed abroad, He has given to the poor; HIs righteousness endures forever".
9:10 Now may He who supplies seed to the sower, and bread for food supply and multiply the seed you have sown and increase the fruits of your righteousness,
9:11 while you are enriched in everything for all liberality, which causes thanksgiving through us to God.
9:12 For the administration of this service not only supplies the needs of the saints, but also is abounding through many thanksgivings to God,
9:13 while, through the proof of this ministry, they glorify God for the obedience of your confession to the gospel of Christ, and for your liberal sharing with them and all men,
9:14 and by their prayer for you, who long for you because of the exceeding grace of God in you.
9:15 Thanks be to God for His indescribable gift!


edited for spelling



SD456 -> RE: Sowing seeds. (4/9/2008 6:42:21 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tracydolls

i'm not quite sure that this is the right place for this question but here goes.

When I watch TBN, they keep talking about "sowing seeds" I've read the parable about it, but it don't fit with what they are talking about, that I can see.

Are their other verses they are referencing? What am I missing.


Hi tracydolls.

The idea that we 'plant' something that can grow or produce a harvest of some kind is what the term 'sow' refers to.

The below verse specifically talks about sowing finances. God is a generous God and He wants us to learn to be generous as He is (which is part of our being conformed to His image). God speaks about our generosity in finances causing a reaping or harvest of small or great depending on our attitude in giving and on the amount we give, I believe according to our means, but on occasion God has asked me to give beyond my means to test my faith in Him.

2 Corinthians 9:6-15
The point is this: he who sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and he who sows bountifully will also reap bountifully. Each one must do as he has made up his mind, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.

This verse speaks about giving, and it could be giving anything as God doesn't list any particular thing: money, mercy, love, kindness, material things, etc. But again, it's with the understanding that God does give back.

Luke 6:38
give, and it will be given to you; good measure, pressed down, shaken together, running over, will be put into your lap. For the measure you give will be the measure you get back.

The apostles use the idea of reaping/sowing when it came to receiving financial provision from God's people. They believed if something was 'sown' then a harvest of some sort financially could be expected:

1Co 9:11
If we have sown spiritual good among you, is it too much if we reap your material benefits?

Always having enough of everything would include the financial realm. There is no reason it wouldn't. God does wish His people to have an abundance for good works. Sometimes those good works are things that require no money - our time, our talent, etc - sometimes good works do require money and God has promised that He will provide whatever it is we need. An 'abundance' means having more than we need for our individual needs or overflowing/having extra.

2 Cor 9:8
And God is able to provide you with every blessing in abundance, so that you may always have enough of everything and may provide in abundance for every good work.

But in all of this, God still has seasons for our lives where He refines us and allows hard times. God is more interested in our hearts than in our pocketbooks and will do whatever He deems necessary to grow us up into the image of His son.



notmycity -> RE: Sowing seeds. (4/9/2008 6:42:39 PM)

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ORIGINAL: called2valor

Anyone with a Bible could show why sowing with the intent to get rich is not the right gospel or motive....


It’s “another gospel”. God’s Word speaks of this through Paul:


Gal 1:8-9
8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.[/b]


As for this specific type of false teaching, the Lord speaks through Peter:


2 Pet 2:1-3
1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.



SD456 -> RE: Sowing seeds. (4/9/2008 6:52:27 PM)

tracydolls,

We are to give generously without fear. That is the main reason God gives us these verses. We can give without fearing that it'll make us go bankrupt because you just can't outgive God.

The main point on reaping and sowing is to learn that God takes care of our needs and as we walk in generosity as He does, He will take care of us in abundance.

We never give out of the motive that, "God HAS to pay us back and I'll get rich," we give in faith and peace with the understanding, "I can be generous and obedient to God's direction because I know that God has promised to take care of me and He has said that we'll reap what we sow."

There is a huge difference in those two mindsets. The latter is the reason most christians I know give. They are giving out of obedience and trusting that God has said we'll 'reap what we sow' so they're not going to be afraid if God tells them to give such and such amount.



cobblestone -> RE: Sowing seeds. (4/9/2008 7:16:55 PM)

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cobblestone -> RE: Sowing seeds. (4/9/2008 7:42:43 PM)

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ORIGINAL: cobblestone

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ORIGINAL: earthless

Some love to take the parable of the sower and the seed and turn it into a financial gain mechanism, always usually for their own gain.

Jesus’ explanation of the Parable of the Sower highlights four different responses to the gospel. The seed is “the word of the kingdom" - the hard ground represents someone who is hardened by sin; he hears but does not understand the Word, and Satan plucks the message away, keeping the heart dull and preventing the Word from making an impression.

The stony ground pictures a man who professes delight with the Word; however, his heart is not changed, and when trouble arises, his so-called faith quickly disappears.

The thorny ground depicts one who seems to receive the Word, but whose heart is full of riches, pleasures, and lusts; the things of this world take his time and attention away from the Word, and he ends up having no time for it.

The good ground portrays the one who hears, understands, and receives the Word - and then allows the Word to accomplish its result in his life. The man represented by the “good ground” is the only one of the four who is truly saved, because salvation’s proof is fruit (Matthew 3:7-8; 7:15-20).

To summarize the point of the Parable of the Sower: “A man’s reception of God’s Word is determined by the condition of his heart.”

A secondary lesson would be “Salvation is more than a superficial, albeit joyful, hearing of the gospel. Someone who is truly saved will go on to prove it.” Our prayer needs to that our faith and our lives exemplify the "good soil" in the Parable of the Sower.

That is the scriptural picture of the sower and the seed. I find it amazing that the seed was actually sown into each of those conditions so it's not the conditions of unbeleivers but beleivers. One was deadened in emotions, the next intellectually unrepentant refusing to believe, the next is worldly and willful, while the good ground are those who seek to please Him by trusting and obedience. Pretty hard to do if the focus is on money.

Just to add that the good ground is a loving the Lord with heart, mind and strength condition, not necessarily one of perfection I don't think. More of focus on the Kingdom in all areas of the being. The other conditions are conditions of molech, baal or mammon. [X(] if not loving God completely then one of those conditions exist [8|]



tracydolls -> RE: Sowing seeds. (4/9/2008 8:02:04 PM)

Good verses, I had to reread them!!! Ok I get it now.

They are taking one

2 Corinthians 9:6-15
The point is this: he who sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and he who sows bountifully will also reap bountifully. Each one must do as he has made up his mind, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.

and mixing them with 10, 20, some number amounts, another verse?

I had to go get my KJV, their translations are off, also, right? "Cause they be putting the verses up of theirs and then you read that Bible , it seems right, but then I go look up the KJV, sometimes the Hebrew or the Greek, it's off.



What are these people doing?


Are their any good ones on TV?



earthless -> RE: Sowing seeds. (4/9/2008 8:07:09 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: tracydolls

Good verses, I had to reread them!!! Ok I get it now.

They are taking one

2 Corinthians 9:6-15
The point is this: he who sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and he who sows bountifully will also reap bountifully. Each one must do as he has made up his mind, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.

and mixing them with 10, 20, some number amounts, another verse?

I had to go get my KJV, their translations are off, also, right? "Cause they be putting the verses up of theirs and then you read that Bible , it seems right, but then I go look up the KJV, sometimes the Hebrew or the Greek, it's off.


God bless you for being a Berean. Rightly dividing the Word of God.


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ORIGINAL: tracydolls

What are these people doing?


Making hundreds of millions of dollars a year off of sincere people.

quote:

ORIGINAL: tracydolls

Are their any good ones on TV?


On TV? Yes, but very few.



tracydolls -> RE: Sowing seeds. (4/9/2008 8:16:43 PM)

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On TV? Yes, but very few.



I just thought about something, BET, what are the preachers on there saying? I gotta look now, I have'nt watched them since the owner of BET Robert Johnson sold it to Viacom in 2003?

they probaly took that over ..............

I'll be back.



tracydolls -> RE: Sowing seeds. (4/9/2008 9:38:45 PM)

ok, I'm back. i peeked at website of BET. They have taken off most of the preachers! They used to be on all day Sundays. Now just a couple hours. And the ones left......

From a blogger on there:

"The community is suffering and the preacher is taking the little money we have for their pockets and telling us the Lord will bless us if we up our last dollar to them.""

Boy, have I had my head in the sand!!

I just assumed TBN was a 24 hr Church TV. I did'nt know Jan and Paul owned the actual channel.. I thought some of them were good and some I knew were not. Benny H. comes to mind.

I thought it was different views.

This one had me at sow a good seed. ok

God loves cheerful giver, ok

Storehouse, ok

They are really TWISTING it, with the goofy translations.



colliefan -> RE: Sowing seeds. (4/9/2008 10:36:55 PM)

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We never give out of the motive that, "God HAS to pay us back and I'll get rich," we give in faith and peace with the understanding, "I can be generous and obedient to God's direction because I know that God has promised to take care of me and He has said that we'll reap what we sow."

But the hucksters use this principle to rob from the poor. One Saturday night I was doing the "guy thing" and mindlessly fliping through the channels until my finger caused the selector to land on a channel featureing one of the WOF fleecers.

He said, "I don't care how much in debt you are. Just max out your credit card on my ministry as a sign of your faithfullness to God and God has to give you a seven-fold return"



musicboss11 -> RE: Sowing seeds. (4/10/2008 12:11:23 AM)

I think that they (TBN) just take a bunch of verses out of context, stick them in a "me" blender and add a generous scoop of twisting to come up with their "seed plant" theory. It's an effective income tool for them, so they use it. It makes me ill to see the TBN people twist things like this out of context to buy themselves another jet plane. I feel sorry for some of the people that get sucked into it. When the TBN people talk about "sowing your seed", they are always talking about getting some big reward for it (ie: large sums of money usually). A few days ago, during their scam-a-thon, they were talking about your "special passover seed". The guy who was talking (don't know his name), said that to receive this special blessing, "you don't need to be saved, or born again, you just need to stand before God with your passover seed planted". I couldn't believe it!



cybrjewls -> RE: Sowing seeds. (4/10/2008 2:34:26 AM)

Dearest tracy, hello! Please note, also, that it is written: the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life. So that the reaper draws his wages, even now he harvests the crop for eternal life, so that the sower and the reaper may be glad together. Jesus said: Do you not say, 'Four months more and then the harvest'? I tell you, open your eyes and look at the fields! They are ripe for harvest.
For the For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

"Listen then to what the parable of the sower means: for God sows The Kingdom among the peoples graciously and generously. One needs to fight the birds at times over it so that it is not stolen in accordance with what Jesus taught in the parable. One also needs to keep their eyes on what is truly important so that the cares of the world do not choke the Word and make it unfruitful. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. For if you possess these qualities in increasing measure, they will keep you from being ineffective and unproductive in your knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. And also: Remain in me, and I will remain in you. No branch can bear fruit by itself; it must remain in the vine. Neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in me.

Jesus said: But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well. And: This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference,





quote:

ORIGINAL: tracydolls

i'm not quite sure that this is the right place for this question but here goes.

When I watch TBN, they keep talking about "sowing seeds" I've read the parable about it, but it don't fit with what they are talking about, that I can see.

Are their other verses they are referencing? What am I missing.



tracydolls -> RE: Sowing seeds. (4/10/2008 5:16:29 AM)

Ok. Some preachers are taking some words out of verses based on faulty translations and twisting them for gain.

This is what I thought sowing a seed meant.

My grandmother Ruth helped to start a Church here in Mpls, MN. True Vine. She helped to find a pastor, she dragged every family member there , myself included! She cooked meals, cleaned the Church. Never once did she "speak" in the church.

But she died 30 cents short from a quarter.

The Church is still there. The pastor still live in the same house! The Church has grown alot. ( Ahhhhh. I should go back)

My grandmother also believed in giving money to Church.

But with all this twisting of the Scripture, I thought I had missed some thing. I thought what is wrong with people sending into Church? Arent we suppose to? Because of this belief I did'nt listen to the "
"other side"

Like I'm sure alot of Christians arent.



earthless -> RE: Sowing seeds. (4/10/2008 8:19:21 AM)

Tracy,

Your eyes are indeed being opened by the Holy Spirit. Your comments remind me of my wife (who came out of a HYPER Word of Faith church) when she started to see how a lot of what she was taught was a flat out lie, the skin of the truth stuffed with a lie.

God bless you Tracy.. I will add you to my prayers.



1love1God1way -> RE: Sowing seeds. (4/10/2008 9:42:13 AM)

Tracy,

Do you mind me asking which church in MPLS that is?



tracydolls -> RE: Sowing seeds. (4/10/2008 4:13:28 PM)

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Tracy,

Your eyes are indeed being opened by the Holy Spirit. Your comments remind me of my wife (who came out of a HYPER Word of Faith church) when she started to see how a lot of what she was taught was a flat out lie, the skin of the truth stuffed with a lie.

God bless you Tracy.. I will add you to my prayers.


That was the problem. WOF Churches. After I left my gandmothers house, I rolled in the mud with the pigs for awhile. When I did go to Church again, I went to http://www.stwc.com/..

So then I was twisted again for awhile, but never losing faith.

But one day I actually picked up the Bible and started reading it.

And here I am!




quote:

Do you mind me asking which church in MPLS that is?



True Vine Missionary Baptist Church , Pastor Jesse Griffin, Thomas and Broadway ave No.

I'm going back, God willing.



cobblestone -> RE: Sowing seeds. (4/10/2008 8:21:04 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: wintery

You're not the one missing it, tracy.[:D]

Thats not nostalgia is it khehe jkg



colliefan -> RE: Sowing seeds. (4/10/2008 9:36:11 PM)

I'll give an example of sowing a seed.

A shoe salesman named Hank was having a slow day when an overweight individual walked through the doors of the Chicago store. In the course of selling a pair of shoes to the man, he was able to find the man's name was Dwight. Hank was able to lead Dwight to the Lord and the rest is history.

You see, Dwight's last name was Moody and he was able to start a ministry that led a baseball named Billy Sunday to the Lord. And Billy Sunday was able to start a ministry that led Billy Graham to the Lord.
Millions have been touched by Billy Graham's ministry, all because of a shoe salesman named Hank. This is seed sowing in action. The question is where are we sowing our seeds.



BibleL7 -> RE: Sowing seeds. (4/11/2008 12:41:21 AM)

It seems your grandmother was a pretty amazing lady who cared much that her family come to know the Lord and I am guessing from some of your comments the seed got planted in you through her. I pray that the pastor she brought to start the church is still preaching as he was brought for. Thank you for sharing about her. It would seem though she may not have had much money wise but I am sure there are many souls heaven bound because of her and her reward from the Father is great. I also get the feeling that it would bless her even more for you to return to church. Church should be a place where you can talk to people face to face in my opinion yes there are a few good teachers on TV but not many. It seems your grandma understood that to be and is why she gave her all to have a good church in the area.

Just the opinion of a small town preacher



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